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    First of all, I'm not a Lebron James hater. I think he is an excellent talent and a very good basketball player.

    But, Mark Jackson just said on the Cavs/Pistons game that he is the second best small forward ever behind Larry Bird. What is he smoking?

    Again, I think Lebron is good, even very good...but he isn't the second best small forward ever behind Larry.

    Let's see where Lebron's career ends up and how many championships he's won before we give him the kind of lofty status.

    I believe we are (in modern times) prisoners of the moment and lose historical perspective on the game. We do that a lot in sports.

    Lastly, before I give any player "a best ever" status...he has to have won multiple championships and had an incredible statistical resume.


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    Not that I agree with Mark Jackson but the "best small forward of all time" list in the NBA is kinda thin.

    Dr J.
    Elgin Baylor
    Connie Hawkins
    Dominique Wilkens

    or even...

    John Havlicek
    Rick Berry
    Scottie Pippen

    and if you want to reach...

    James worthy
    Billy Cunningham


    Gotta admit, compared to the other all time great spots, the SF spot is a little limited.

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    Not that I agree with Mark Jackson but the "best small forward of all time" list in the NBA is kinda thin.

    Dr J.
    Elgin Baylor
    Connie Hawkins
    Dominique Wilkens

    or even...

    John Havlicek
    Rick Berry
    Scottie Pippen

    and if you want to reach...

    James worthy
    Billy Cunningham


    Gotta admit, compared to the other all time great spots, the SF spot is a little limited.
    You may have a point...but he hasn't won a championship yet! He's only been in the league 5 years.

    Let's wait before you give him that kind of status!!


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    You may have a point...but he hasn't won a championship yet! He's only been in the league 5 years.

    Let's wait before you give him that kind of status!!

    Baylor and Wilkins never won one either, and Dr. J didn't win one until he got a Hall of Fame bigman on his team.

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    Baylor and Wilkins never won one either, and Dr. J didn't win one until he got a Hall of Fame bigman on his team.
    +1.

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    LJ ing sucks

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    I personally think it is not fair to judge a NBA players career on championships.....If you are not surronded by talent as Wilkens was it really isn't his fault.....Or how about Malone and Stockton who just happened to run into some dude name Jordan twice....

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    James, when his career is over, will be looked at among the best ever, regardless of position.

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    I personally think it is not fair to judge a NBA players career on championships.....If you are not surronded by talent as Wilkens was it really isn't his fault.....Or how about Malone and Stockton who just happened to run into some dude name Jordan twice....
    Tru.dat

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    They put Shaq on the top 50 all time list before he'd been in the league as long as James has. Barring something hugely unforseen, it's easy to see how he's going to end up at the very least second behind Bird at that position when his career is done.

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    I personally think it is not fair to judge a NBA players career on championships.....If you are not surronded by talent as Wilkens was it really isn't his fault.....Or how about Malone and Stockton who just happened to run into some dude name Jordan twice....
    Malone choked in every big game. He choked against Shawn Kemp. Choked against Brian Grant. Choked against Dirk Nowitzki. Stockton's the one who would drag that team to success, and he's wildly underrated.

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    First of all, I'm not a Lebron James hater. I think he is an excellent talent and a very good basketball player.

    But, Mark Jackson just said on the Cavs/Pistons game that he is the second best small forward ever behind Larry Bird. What is he smoking?

    Again, I think Lebron is good, even very good...but he isn't the second best small forward ever behind Larry.

    Let's see where Lebron's career ends up and how many championships he's won before we give him the kind of lofty status.

    I believe we are (in modern times) prisoners of the moment and lose historical perspective on the game. We do that a lot in sports.

    Lastly, before I give any player "a best ever" status...he has to have won multiple championships and had an incredible statistical resume.

    this talk is crazy
    he got to the big stage and got sweepted in finals
    played terrible the first couple games

    let him finish his carer or atleast play past his prime before this stupid talk

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    M. Jackson is right. Lebron is already better than all the other SF's in the history of the league except Bird.

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    in the end, LBJ will hands down be the best SF ever, and very possibly the best player ever

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    @ ducks

    ducks go yourself and die

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    Out with the old... Obstructed_View's Avatar
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    in the end, LBJ will hands down be the best SF ever, and very possibly the best player ever
    And ducks will still be in here saying "he sucks cause he missted ashot once".

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    And ducks will still be in here saying "he sucks cause he missted ashot once".

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    And ducks will still be in here saying "he sucks cause he missted ashot once".
    why do you always throw ducks somewhere i nevery post dude?

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    If Larry had had an ounce of athleticism, he'd never be touched as to who's the best SF of all time.

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    If Larry had had an ounce of athleticism, he'd never be touched as to who's the best SF of all time.
    That guy must have been really good if Lebron with all his natural talent still can't edge out a hick from French Lick.

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    this talk is crazy
    he got to the big stage and got sweepted in finals
    played terrible the first couple games

    let him finish his carer or atleast play past his prime before this stupid talk

    Thank you!

    Again, I'm not posting that Lebron James is terrible or even mediocre... but to say he's the best SF ever is way premature.

    How can you compare him against an Elgin Baylor or Dr. J or even 'Nique Wilkins? Stats can't tell the entire story for players from different eras. I believe you can only judge a player against the people of that players' era.

    Lastly, if you want to be considered the "best-ever status" you must have won multiple championships! Period.

    Let him develop his career before we start calling someone the "best-ever".

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    in the end, LBJ will hands down be the best SF ever, and very possibly the best player ever
    maybe in the end..you're right

    but not 5 years into his career...that's premature!

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    Baylor and Wilkins never won one either, and Dr. J didn't win one until he got a Hall of Fame bigman on his team.
    But Dr. J did get a championship...I don't care that it came at the end of his career. He got one!

    And Lebron doesn't have one!! (Now he may get one.....)

    But to say he's the best SF ever...he will have to have championships on his resume!!!

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    Mark Jackson says a lot of dumb .

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