Building a NBA Franchise right now...Who would you take

[DPG21920]

DPG, I bet the Nets are so glad the had Kidd over Shaq or Duncan in 02 and 03.

Did I say always? I can play this game as well. I bet that the Knicks were so glad they drafted Bowie over Jordan.

Or I bet the Rockets were glad they drafted the dream over him.

[m33p0]

Is that why the best player of all time was a 2 guard?

how many 2 guards are on the top 20 all time greatest list? how many centers are on that list?

[IronMexican]

9 times out of 10, you take the big. And you are comparing a bust to a the GOAT. At least I brought up one of the greatest PG's in NBA history.

[dirk4mvp]

how many 2 guards are on the top 20 all time greatest list? how many centers are on that list?

All of those centers are not better than the 2 guard that's at the top.

[m33p0]

No way. Great point guards are more useful than Bigs. Bigs do not handle the ball 90% of the game, the guards do. Without good pg's, the bigs are rendered useless for the most part.

The play makers like CP3 always have the ball in their hands and set the tempo. That is not to say that bigs suck, but when it comes to guards vs bigs, great guards > great bigs.

having a great center makes the game easier for the whole team because you automatically get someone who can make easy baskets just by lobbing the ball anywhere near the rim; and your team dramatically improves defensively. case in point howard for the magic.

[DPG21920]

9 times out of 10, you take the big. And you are comparing a bust to a the GOAT. At least I brought up one of the greatest PG's in NBA history.

So did I with Hakeem.

[DPG21920]

having a great center makes the game easier for the whole team because you automatically get someone who can make easy baskets just by lobbing the ball anywhere near the rim; and your team dramatically improves defensively. case in point howard for the magic.

This is not say Howard would be a bad choice. But as I already outlined, just look at who is controlling the ball the vast majority of the game. This is only in the case of GREAT point guards for which I am making the argument.

[m33p0]

All of those centers are not better than the 2 guard that's at the top.

yes but there's just one of him and like, what, 5-6 centers.

[DPG21920]

Look at all the great bigs that were drafted in the Jordan era, almost none of them have rings.

[IronMexican]

I take the big, brah. Outside of Magic and MJ, I wouldn't want to start my franchise off with a guard.

[m33p0]

This is not say Howard would be a bad choice. But as I already outlined, just look at who is controlling the ball the vast majority of the game. This is only in the case of GREAT point guards for which I am making the argument.

if you look at how they entered the league... paul foh shur. yao would be a better candidate coz howard didn't look all that great when he started.

but if you compare them now, i'd pick howard. he makes nelson look like an all-star.

[m33p0]

I take the big, brah. Outside of Magic and MJ, I wouldn't want to start my franchise off with a guard.

i'd pick magic over mj to start a franchise, btw. a 6-9 point guard is unheard of and gives you automatic advantages.

[Kamnik]

considering this is a spurs forum and we won 4 les in TD era the result is quite obvious

[DPG21920]

I take the big, brah. Outside of Magic and MJ, I wouldn't want to start my franchise off with a guard.

Well that is why it is a poll, people will not always agree.

[m33p0]

Look at all the great bigs that were drafted in the Jordan era, almost none of them have rings.

that's the fault of the GM not the player. anyway, of the great centers of that era that i could think of, only ewing didn't win a ring.

[IronMexican]

i'd pick magic over mj to start a franchise, btw. a 6-9 point guard is unheard of and gives you automatic advantages.

Same hurr. Just cause you are the best player, doesn't mean you have the biggest impact. Bigs have a FAR bigger impact than a guard in the game.

[BUMP]

Unfortunately there's Laker fans out there who think you're talking about Kobe.

Bernard Pollard? why?

[DPG21920]

that's the fault of the GM not the player. anyway, of the great centers of that era that i could think of, only ewing didn't win a ring.

Barkley (if we are considering bigs, like Duncan being a PF), Ewing, Malone, to name a few more.

[DPG21920]

Same hurr. Just cause you are the best player, doesn't mean you have the biggest impact. Bigs have a FAR bigger impact than a guard in the game.

How can you say that? Question, who gets the ball to the big? If the point guard cannot shoot or get the ball to the big he is almost rendered useless. The pg is the quarterback, not the big.

[m33p0]

Barkley (if we are considering bigs, like Duncan being a PF), Ewing, Malone, to name a few more.

we're talking about BIG big, as in centers.












And Malone is soft.... (thought i'd throw it out there )

[IronMexican]

AI, John Stockton, Gary Payton(Miami? No.)

[DPG21920]

having a great center makes the game easier for the whole team because you automatically get someone who can make easy baskets just by lobbing the ball anywhere near the rim; and your team dramatically improves defensively. case in point howard for the magic.

If the pg sucked at throwing those lobs, what would Howard do?

[DPG21920]

Exactly, there is cases everywhere for both sides. Fact of the matter is, you cannot in any way substantiate the claim that bigs "clearly" impact the game more.

[m33p0]

How can you say that? Question, who gets the ball to the big? If the point guard cannot shoot or get the ball to the big he is almost rendered useless. The pg is the quarterback, not the big.

you can look at the orlando magic themselves to counter that argument. get any borderline allstar point guard to run that team and i'll say howard will make him into a legitimate allstar. imagine tony parker running that team, or even devin harris.

[m33p0]

If the pg sucked at throwing those lobs, what would Howard do?

you get a better point guard. guards are dime a dozen in the league. and i'm betting a good number of them can throw a decent lob.