Espn Says Ben Is #2 Qb In Leauge!

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There will be five QBs (Russell, Ryan, Flacco, Garrard and Roeth) stats outside of the opponents' red zone listed below. Try to figure out which are Ben's:


A) 5 TDs, 10 INTs

B) 5 TDs, 7 INTs

C) 6 TDs, 15 INTs

D) 7 TDs, 9 INTs

E) 7 TDs, 11 INTs



The answer is C.

Not to mention he's averaging over a pick/game in his last 46 regular season starts. Guy is getting so overrated now he's approaching Favre status.

Just curious, what are some of the stats of other QBs in the same situations, like Manning, McNabb, Rivers, etc... ?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

7/11, 9/9 and 5/8 respectively. The one big time QB whose stats resemble Roeth's is Warner at 5/12. Of course, he made up for it by throwing 25 red zone TDs to Roeth's 11 albeit on twice as many attempts.

The closest comparison based on attempts is Kyle Orton. Roeth threw 469 passes this year, 48 of which inside the RZ, to Orton's 465, 59 of which inside the RZ. Orton's numbers outside the RZ are 5/11 and 18/12 on the season as a whole.

For the most part, elite QBs consistently have a TD% at least twice that of their INT% and complete over 60% of their passes. Roeth has done that once in his entire career. McNabb has done it 3 times and Rivers twice in his three years as a starter. Warner has done it only twice but led his teams to SB appearances in both years. Kurt definitely has had an odd career arc.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Brady
Manning
Brees
McNabb
Fat Ben

[dirk4mvp]

Why doesn't warlord come in here and try to dispute the bukkake Disgruntled layed on Ben?

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Why doesn't warlord come in here and try to dispute the bukkake Disgruntled layed on Ben?

hes too busy washing the now mixed combination of disgruntledlionfan and worthlessburgers off his face

[Warlord23]

^^Why don't you two get a room and enact all your fantasies, you s?

As for Ben, he wins. Something that all those other QBs with better stats struggle with. It's like the NBA, you can say that Wade, Howard, CP3, Bosh, Dirk, Jefferson, Granger, Amare etc are all putting up better stats than Tim Duncan. Obviously all those guys are expected to do more for their teams than Duncan is. Duncan has a better team, better coaching and a better defensive team around him.

Throw in Lebron and Kobe (the only 2 guys in the L actually better than Tim), and that means Duncan should be outside the top 10, right? Wrong. No way would you take any of those guys on your team in the playoffs over Timmy. That he doesn't have to up 25/12 every night doesn't mean he can't do it when needed. Ben might play poorly on certain nights, but in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game the Steelers go with an empty backfield against a D that will be trying their damndest to stop the pass. And Ben will pick them apart methodically.

I rather have that than a Rivers, Cutler or McNabb who'll fatten their stats in meaningless games and then have their nuts shrivel up when it matters.

[Warlord23]

And we know why dirk4mvp is posting in this thread. He knows it, but won't admit it, that Peyton's the biggest choker of them all.

Peyton's regular season record: 117-59; playoff record: 7-8
Regular season completion % : 64%, playoff completion % : 56%

Even during their lone Super Bowl run, the Colts won despite Manning laying his usual egg: 3 TDs / 7 INTs.

As for stretch, lol Raiders. Al Davis is still alive and Oakland is still a pile of dog .

[bostonguy]

It Sucks the NFL season doesnt start for another 7 months. I am already pumped to see next years Patriots under a returning Tom Brady!

[monosylab1k]

Ben might play poorly on certain nights, but in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game the Steelers go with an empty backfield against a D that will be trying their damndest to stop the pass. And Ben will pick them apart methodically.

Unless that team is the Patriots or Jaguars.

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^^Why don't you two get a room and enact all your fantasies, you s?

As for Ben, he wins. Something that all those other QBs with better stats struggle with. It's like the NBA, you can say that Wade, Howard, CP3, Bosh, Dirk, Jefferson, Granger, Amare etc are all putting up better stats than Tim Duncan. Obviously all those guys are expected to do more for their teams than Duncan is. Duncan has a better team, better coaching and a better defensive team around him.

Throw in Lebron and Kobe (the only 2 guys in the L actually better than Tim), and that means Duncan should be outside the top 10, right? Wrong. No way would you take any of those guys on your team in the playoffs over Timmy. That he doesn't have to up 25/12 every night doesn't mean he can't do it when needed. Ben might play poorly on certain nights, but in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game the Steelers go with an empty backfield against a D that will be trying their damndest to stop the pass. And Ben will pick them apart methodically.

I rather have that than a Rivers, Cutler or McNabb who'll fatten their stats in meaningless games and then have their nuts shrivel up when it matters.

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Duncan in basketball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worthlessburger in football

Duncan is actually talented and carries his team consistently.

Worthlessburger has to be carried by his team on a weekly basis.

[beefanus]

o-line is not as bad as you guys say. worthlessburger just doesnt know how to step up in the pocket and get rid of the ball. if he would do that the way that Brady or Manning does, his line would look just as good as theirs. those guys give him a good 3 seconds each play to get rid of the ball, the time frame in which a QB is usually supposed to have gotten rid of the ball.



then you can say the same about the steelers defense, playing in the extremely offensively challenged AFC North. every team in that division has a offense.

their oline consist of like 2 free agents 1 rookie and i think 1 guy from last year or something like that. would u like to be that qb behind that kind of o line with the blitz come and thats what teams do cause they kno the steelers have a bed line they blitz constantly, the o line is as bad as we say ben gets hit the most in the nfl and has the most sacks in the nfl, thats just shows u how bad of a line he has, and he steps up stretch, he audibles all the time and their is no one who can avoid pressure like him period!

[beefanus]

LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Duncan in basketball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Worthlessburger in football

Duncan is actually talented and carries his team consistently.

Worthlessburger has to be carried by his team on a weekly basis.

18 winning drives.... 1 one those was in the superbowl! the defense might carry the team as it should at #1 but he is the heart and soul of their offense, their reciving core a above average but not anything close to arizona, he has a horrible o line, has the most or one of the most sacks in the nfl, yet they win, when it comes down to those 2 min. and they pull out their lightning package, he gets it done consistanly, and their is no denying that!

[beefanus]

Brady
Manning
Brees
McNabb
Fat Ben

y is brees up their, what the has he done, take him out and then look at your list, thats pretty in good for his 5th year in the nfl puls 2 SBs thats in great!

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would u like to be that qb behind that kind of o line with the blitz come and thats what teams do cause they kno the steelers have a bed line they blitz constantly

or maybe its because getting pressure on a QB is the best way to play defense, and ben gets very confused when playing against a team with good pressure schemes.

the o line is as bad as we say

no its not.

ben gets hit the most in the nfl and has the most sacks in the nfl, thats just shows u how bad of a line he has

it shows that he doesnt get rid of the ball fast enough

and he steps up stretch

no he doesnt

he audibles all the time and their is no one who can avoid pressure like him period!

yes there is. McNabb and Brady are the two best QBs in the league at avoiding pressure.

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y is rivers up their, what the has he done, take him out and then look at your list, thats pretty in good for his 5th year in the nfl puls 2 SBs thats in great!

rivers isnt even on that list you stupid

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18 winning drives.... 1 one those was in the superbowl! the defense might carry the team as it should at #1 but he is the heart and soul of their offense, their reciving core a above average but not anything close to arizona, he has a horrible o line, has the most or one of the most sacks in the nfl, yet they win, when it comes down to those 2 min. and they pull out their lightning package, he gets it done consistanly, and their is no denying that!

the fact that they constantly have to rely on GW drives despite their fantastic defense shows how ty their offense is. Brady, Manning, etc... can engineer GW drives just fine, but they dont have to be in those positions nearly as often as Ben because they prevent their team from being in those situations by playing well early. and peyton doesnt even have a defense to rely on. he has always had to do it all on offense, and is probably the only HOF caliber QB that has ever had to, other than maybe Kurt Warner.

[beefanus]

rivers isnt even on that list you stupid

i ment brees

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^^Why don't you two get a room and enact all your fantasies, you s?

As for Ben, he wins. Something that all those other QBs with better stats struggle with. It's like the NBA, you can say that Wade, Howard, CP3, Bosh, Dirk, Jefferson, Granger, Amare etc are all putting up better stats than Tim Duncan. Obviously all those guys are expected to do more for their teams than Duncan is. Duncan has a better team, better coaching and a better defensive team around him.

Throw in Lebron and Kobe (the only 2 guys in the L actually better than Tim), and that means Duncan should be outside the top 10, right? Wrong. No way would you take any of those guys on your team in the playoffs over Timmy. That he doesn't have to up 25/12 every night doesn't mean he can't do it when needed. Ben might play poorly on certain nights, but in the 4th quarter of a big playoff game the Steelers go with an empty backfield against a D that will be trying their damndest to stop the pass. And Ben will pick them apart methodically.

I rather have that than a Rivers, Cutler or McNabb who'll fatten their stats in meaningless games and then have their nuts shrivel up when it matters.

i kind of agree here, except for the fact that he is comparing him to Tim Duncan. idk about that. two different sports and Duncan is the greatest at his position ever. BUT from what ive seen Roethlisberger do this year, against Dallas, Baltimore (3X), and Arizona id take him on my team over anybody in the league with the exception of Brady. yes, i do mean that. he might be piss poor for 3.9 quarters but when the game is on the line, Ben is someone you can count on more often than not. there are a lot of quarterbacks who are better and more talented but i want him on my team over all of them except a healthy Brady. he has the heart of a champion.

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iyes, i do mean that. he might be piss poor for 3.9 quarters but when the game is on the line, Ben is someone you can count on more often than not. there are a lot of quarterbacks who are better and more talented but i want him on my team over all of them except a healthy Brady. he has the heart of a champion.

and that is where the issue lies. other QBs like Brady and Manning can make those same drives, but they rarely allow their teams to be in those situations, whereas the steelers are forced into those situations BECAUSE of Ben's inablity to carry the team and his high turnover rate.

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and that is where the issue lies. other QBs like Brady and Manning can make those same drives, but they rarely allow their teams to be in those situations, whereas the steelers are forced into those situations BECAUSE of Ben's inablity to carry the team and his high turnover rate.

i see what your saying and what i meant was that he has the ability to just completely suck for the entire game but turn on the switch and lead a gutsy drive at the end for the win. he's lit it up before too, i dont remember who it was against last year but he threw 5 TDs in the first half alone

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i see what your saying and what i meant was that he has the ability to just completely suck for the entire game but turn on the switch and lead a gutsy drive at the end for the win. he's lit it up before too, i dont remember who it was against last year but he threw 5 TDs in the first half alone

if he could do it consistently, then that would be great. but he doesnt.

[Warlord23]

See, here's where stretch's hyperbole takes over ... you'd think that Ben is a ty QB who turns it up only in the final drive. Among QBs with 1500 attempts or more, Ben is in the top 10 all-time in yards per attempt and passer rating. He's already set Steelers franchise records in passer rating, completion %, yards Per attempt, most 300+ yard games, 3000 yard passing seasons.

He has been pretty good throughout his career. 51-20 in the regular season, 8-2 in the postseason. 19 come-from-behind drives to tie or win in the 4th quarter.

The scary thing is he's getting better with his judgment each year.

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He's already set Steelers franchise records in passer rating, completion %, yards Per attempt, most 300+ yard games, 3000 yard passing seasons.

LMAO LMAO LMAO

as if that is something to brag about, considering the history of great QBs the steelers have had... they had Bradshaw, and he is the most overrated QB of all time. i think his career passer rating is below 80, and threw about as many INTs as he did TDs. WTF? just another example of a guy getting carried to championships by his defense and getting a load of lucky breaks. not to mention playing in the weakest era of football helped. but i will definitely take Worthlessburger over Bradshaw in a HEARTBEAT.

[dirk4mvp]

lmao, Peyton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben


It's not particularly close.

[dirk4mvp]

LMAO LMAO LMAO

as if that is something to brag about, considering the history of great QBs the steelers have had... they had Bradshaw, and he is the most overrated QB of all time. i think his career passer rating is below 80, and threw about as many INTs as he did TDs. WTF? just another example of a guy getting carried to championships by his defense and getting a load of lucky breaks. not to mention playing in the weakest era of football helped. but i will definitely take Worthlessburger over Bradshaw in a HEARTBEAT.

lmao, Michael Jordan set all kinds of Bulls' records. I don't know how the he did it with all the awesome Bulls' players before him.