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Ghazi, that record is extremely misleading. Their schedule was a joke up until that point. Check basketball reference if you don't believe me. They had little to no impressive victories.
37-16, just checked!
Good, not great.
Ghazi, that record is extremely misleading. Their schedule was a joke up until that point. Check basketball reference if you don't believe me. They had little to no impressive victories.
suns cant seem to do anything right. only trade that is worth while is shaq but thats a salary dump. therefore no real talent gained. amare might be a nice time to trade him but you would like young talent, a high draft pic and salary dump
says the Suns fan on a Spurs board!
How many of my comments have ever been negative towards the Spurs? If anything I like the Spurs too much to be a Suns fan.says the Suns fan on a Spurs board!
lol i thought that at first reading ur post, but hey as much as i would like to hate the spurs, they are a good team and the own us.
I don't hate the Spurs; it's not their fault we don't have the tools to beat them despite a myriad of attempts.
Meh... what's the problem of waiting till the off-season? Are they getting much better offers now that they'll get by then? No reason to spoil the season to ticked holders.
I think Kerr has been horrid, he should be the first to go.
please change teams then.
Nope, Suns fan for life, I've never lived in a state other than AZ. Basically I agree w/ what Xylus said, you can't hate the Spurs because the Suns lose to them, and more specifically w/ me if Tim Duncan was my favorite player from 1999-2004, that won't change just because the Suns became compe ive again and he started kicking their ass.please change teams then.
Still, whenever the Suns play the Spurs, they're the Sterns/sperms/darkside for that game.
I mentioned the idea of Phoenix blowing it all up after the Spurs lost on another board:
..Forget loyalties or fans - its time to blow it up or it will be too late. They aren't winning a le with that group - best to stack up young talent now.
Nash to NY for David Lee, Nate Robinson, & Malik Rose.
Shaq to Chicago for Hughes, Sefolasha, Thomas, Gooden, and pick
Hill to the team of his choice for pick.
JRich to Cleveland for Wally and JJ Hickson.
Barbosa to Memphis for Conley and Buckner
And last but not least - Amare to Atlanta for Horford, Marvin, and Speedy.
Phoenix then trots out the young ones and has something to build on.
Nate Robinson/Mike Conley
Hughes/Thabo Sefolasha
Marvin Williams/Ty Thomas
David Lee/Hickson
Al Horford
Look at it closer and Kerr has done little to nothing wrong. Was the Kurt Thomas trade bad? yes, but that was just as much if not more D'antoni and Sarver than it was Kerr.
Kerr took over a team that lost in the 2nd round, had little to no young players, and had an owner who's main concern was/has been cutting payroll.
Maybe letting D'antoni go and hiring Porter expedited the declining of the run and gun Suns, but after 2007, they were done and nothing was going to save them as long as Sarver was in charge dictating things based off what the son he never had (Amare) wanted.
If you're looking for someone to blame, blame the multiple sold draft picks that could have compensated for the loss of valuable role players such as Kurt Thomas.
trading raja bell and shawn marion started all of this
They probably needed the money from the draft picks, no?
Kerr did everything wrong this Summer, and I'm not even going into the D'Antoni firing: he didn't address a single one of the team needs - and those weren't that many. He wasted the draft pick, he didn't sign a backup big, or a backup pg, or a wing defender. He could have done it with the resources he had. He only compounded the mistakes with the trade for Richardson, I think.
I understand you strongly dislike Sarver and Amare, but Kerr had the tools to do much better.
I agree that Kerr f'd up really bad. The shaq trade I'll forgive him for because it came down to marion vs stoudamire and at least stoudamire can create his own shots and run the pick and roll.
However whatever happened with dantoni was bad even though dantoni himself signed off on the shaq trade as well as nash.
Getting richardson? That may be a positive if the right system is in place.
Porter though... I didn't know what to think, but it's now obvious they brought in the wrong coach for the wrong players. Proof of Kerr's incompetance as a GM since he has made several big trades and essentially wasted 2 draft picks and made the team worse. (I'm still pulling for Dragic, but obviously practice doesn't translate to games all the time)
I almost wonder if Kerr is a double agent put in to make sure the Suns don't get in the lakers way to prevent anther LA/Boston final. They already got the spurs covered with the refs come playoff time.
Seriously, the suns were messing up the lakers in the past and since the suns can't beat the spurs, they have call in the refs.
btw, I'm just having fun here, but you sometimes have to wonder.
My mistake, I thought you were complaining about the refs helping the Spurs (but that seems like ancient history now).
1) What games are you watching?
2) If you're gonna talk about a player, make sure you spell his name right.
D'antoni wasn't fired, he left the team on his own whim after Kerr told him to change his coaching style. D'antoni was indeed the scapegoat, but let me remind you it was Amare who threw him under the bus and blamed him for stuff he had no business being blamed for.
He did waste a draft pick but it's not like the Colangelos were drafting experts. Truth be told I think Lopez was drafted largely due to the fact he is white, and it would be easier for Kerr to pass Lopez off as a "hard working, fundamental player," because he was white, even though Lopez is anything but that. I laughed when Kerr said Lopez was the most "NBA ready" big man in the draft.
I still maintain Dragic has a decent future if he's put in a situation similar to that of Rondo/Parker early on where he's around good players and/or good coaching capable of putting him in situations where he can play the game he's comfortable playing. If Popovich was coaching Dragic and Porter was coaching George Hill, it would be a different story.
And as far as addressing the needs, Kerr didn't have the resources. Sarver didn't want him giving out any multi-year deals. Kerr had no way to go after impact players such as James Posey. With what flexibility Kerr was given, Matt Barnes and Louis Amundson were about it as far as free agents he could get.
He did what needed to be done. Bell was playing unmotivated defense and Diaw was plain unmotivated. They were both disrespecting the coach and openly disregarding him in practice. Kerr had no way of knowing they would start playing better in Charlotte. Since the 2007 all star break, both of them were useless scrubs prior to theJ-Rich trade.He could have done it with the resources he had. He only compounded the mistakes with the trade for Richardson, I think.
1) I just showed that he really didn't.I understand you strongly dislike Sarver and Amare, but Kerr had the tools to do much better.
2) Let'say it is Kerr's fault, then Sarver gets most of the blame for hiring a general manager with no prior front office experience and neither a major nor minor in business while attending college.
You forget, they won a grand total of one playoff game last year. Lets not pretend Kerr dismantled the '86 Celtics.
before they throw the towel they should wrap it around Kerr
Wow! That's pretty telling stuff coming from an avid Suns fan. I'd been reading some of Suns beat writer, Paul Coro's stuff in the AZRepublic lately. I gathered that Amare was one of the main players that helped usher D'Antoni out of town. Now in a stunning contradiction, it's Amare who's pining for his lost coach.
It seems the issues with Amare were far more widespread than folks inside the Suns organization, are willing to let on. Aside from his immaturity, I also got that Amare is rather aloof and insulated from teammates.
Do you have other examples of Amare's blatant immaturity?
And what's up with his using an apostrophe in his first name now?
He was the only player who ushered D'antoni out of town. Literally every other player said they wanted D'antoni back. Now the short term memory loss Amare lovers seem to have is making them blame the loss of D'antoni as to why yet another season has gone by and Amare still hasn't grown as a player.
The annoying thing is these same Amare lovers were calling for D'antoni's head last April because he didn't "FEED A'M'A'R'E!!!!" enough and should have run the offense through Amare.
They are also blaming Shaq for limiting Amare because he "clogs the lane". More irony is that the Amare lovers wouldn't shut up about how much trading for Shaq would help Amare because he could move down to power forward and having to play center was the one reason why Amare wasn't a lock down defender.
Basically Amare has a new reason/excuse every year as to why he can't play defense, rebound, or make a hook shot.
He is. Marion was the same way. With Marion though, he still got along with his teammates, and his loner personality didn't affect his on court behavior. he never forced shots he had no business taking, and played 100% every night.It seems the issues with Amare were far more widespread than folks inside the Suns organization, are willing to let on. Aside from his immaturity, I also got that Amare is rather aloof and insulated from teammates.
The season Amare was injured, the entire team cried after they lost to Dallas. Nash said during a press conference after the Dallas series everyone on the team gave their best and he would never forget the season.
After they lost to the Spurs largely due to Amare jumping off the bench, everyone on the team, Nash in particular, almost looked relieved the season was over. Amare said after that series, "I'm young, I'll have plenty of opportunities," lacking complete perspective that jumping off the bench postponed what some Suns fans have been waiting 40 years for.
Well whenever he opens his mouth there's a flood of immaturity. His talk about "being the man", "bringing out his gorilla game", getting worse respect from the refs than Tupac did from the cops.Do you have other examples of Amare's blatant immaturity?
Changing his jersey number to 1 the year after his knee injury. Repeatedly no showing to knee rehab sessions.
The worst is his sense of en lement and his at ude when talking about a game he just played. If the Suns lose, "WE made mistakes," if the Suns win, "I did what I needed to do to get the win.
The bench incident is another example. Timmy was on the bench when that happened, and he didn't even flinch.
Who knows. Once he figures out that he can legally change his name to "THA MAN", it won't matter.And what's up with his using an apostrophe in his first name now?
Priceless stuff! You're obviously very well-informed. Must be tough for you, as a life-long Suns fan.
I would like to know if Sarver generally "cows down" to the wishes of his 26 year-old star?
Also based upon the issues they have now, do you think Sarver and Kerr would get to a point where they would trade Amare or even go so far as to "blow up" everything? I mean there's not much left of the "7 seconds or left" regime. They have very little choices available to them. Especially with Amare having the option to "opt-out" in 2010.
A lot of it was in the Book Seven Seconds or Less, great read. I'm still young so it's not tough, yet anyways.
No one knows a complete answer here but a lot of people suspect Sarver's affection for Amare has impacted several personnel decisions, similar to 2004 when Kobe was still selfish and isolated from the rest of the Lakers, yet Jerry Buss always made excuses for him and took his side.I would like to know if Sarver generally "cows down" to the wishes of his 26 year-old star?
Even though I hate Porter because he is a horrible defensive coach, most Suns fans hate him for a completely different reason. Porter is getting the same treatment D'antoni did and is being faulted for not making Amare "THE MAN".Also based upon the issues they have now, do you think Sarver and Kerr would get to a point where they would trade Amare or even go so far as to "blow up" everything? I mean there's not much left of the "7 seconds or left" regime. They have very little choices available to them. Especially with Amare having the option to "opt-out" in 2010.
But it's going to be tough for Kerr/Sarver, no matter what route they chose they'll be losing fan support/sales and will in all likelihood face a losing season. A bunch of fans like me want Amare gone and are willing to see 2-3 years of garbage to rebuild. The other fans think Amare is MJ's 2nd coming only as a power forward and think they will win a le with Amare as the franchise player.
They'll either trade Amare at the deadline or try to extend him next summer. If trading Amare is in Kerr's plans, he'll do it at the deadline or sooner. We basically see if Kerr is doing what he wants or if Sarver is basically telling him what to do. Kerr played with too many great coaches and unselfish players to think Amare is a leader. If Kerr tries to make it Amare's team, it's clear Sarver is in complete control.
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