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    (Now things are going to get really interesting.)

    Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg Hospitalized for Cancer

    By Carrie Johnson
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, February 5, 2009; 2:19 PM

    U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg today underwent surgery for pancreatic cancer at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, according to a statement released by the court.

    Ginsburg had no symptoms from the illness, apparently caught at an "early stage" during a routine checkup late last month, the court statement said.

    Court officials said that a CT scan administered at the National Ins utes of Health in Bethesda detected a small tumor, "approximately 1 cm across, in the center of the pancreas."

    At his regular news briefing, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters this afternoon that President Obama "has not talked with the justice, but his thoughts and prayers are with her and her family right now."

    The justice, 75, has served on the court for 15 years, after being appointed by President Bill Clinton. Legal scholars consider Ginsburg a reliable liberal vote, and in her time on the bench she has fostered warm relationships with colleagues who espouse more conservative legal views.

    Ginsburg will be hospitalized for another week to 10 days, attending surgeon Murray Brennan told court officials. Nine years ago, the justice was diagnosed with colon cancer, and she followed a regimen of radiation and chemotherapy.

    Disclosure of her new illness comes only weeks into an Obama administration that is still finding its legal foothold. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. has been serving in his post since Tuesday, and Elena Kagan, who has been nominated as the administration's chief representative before the Supreme Court, is scheduled to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee next week.

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    Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Ms. Ginsburg.

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    Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Ms. Ginsburg.
    Agreed. I'm glad to hear that it appears the cancer was caught in an early stage. I hope her recovery will be both speedy and complete.

    I have an affinity in my heart for Justice Ginsburg that has nothing to do with politics or personality. I was involved in a case in the Fifth Circuit and made a specific argument in that case that I thought was pretty good. Nobody else, apparently did, and when a DC firm took over to prepare the case for SCOTUS, they omitted my pet argument. When SCOTUS granted certiorari, we went to hear the oral argument of the case. During oral argument, Justice Ginsburg raised a question based on my pet argument in the court below and wondered why the argument hadn't been made in the Supreme Court. It was, perhaps, the best moment of my professional career.

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    Wow. That's a feather in your cap. Bet it was neat to be there too.

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    That's a bummer.

    As an aside Sandra Day O'Conner stepped aside because her husband was dying of alzheimer's and she wanted to be able to help. It turns out she wasn't able to do much and he had to be moved to assisted living anyway. One of Sandra Day O'Conner's defining moments was slapping the out of Sam Alito in a 1991 case that he had presided over as an appeals judge. She openly loathes his judicial views. And he's the guy who replaced her. And she now deeply regrets giving up her seat while Bush was in office. It's one of the unsung and deeply affecting tragedies of the Bush years IMO.

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    Oh God... This is pancreatic? She's done for; nobody beats that .

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    Oh God... This is pancreatic? She's done for; nobody beats that .
    Yeah she most likely is done for. My mother in law went through the same thing. Caught it early, had surgery followed by chemo. She lasted 14 months.

    There's a reason you won't find many pancreatic cancer survivor support groups.

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    That's a bummer.

    As an aside Sandra Day O'Conner stepped aside because her husband was dying of alzheimer's and she wanted to be able to help. It turns out she wasn't able to do much and he had to be moved to assisted living anyway. One of Sandra Day O'Conner's defining moments was slapping the out of Sam Alito in a 1991 case that he had presided over as an appeals judge. She openly loathes his judicial views. And he's the guy who replaced her. And she now deeply regrets giving up her seat while Bush was in office. It's one of the unsung and deeply affecting tragedies of the Bush years IMO.
    Do you know her personally or something?

    The case you're referring to is Casey. Alito dissented in part from the panel's decision to uphold most of the notification and consent requirements, because he wished to uphold the spousal notification requirement. At the Supreme Court, O'Connor wrote the plurality opinion reaffirming Roe and, yes, substantially disagreeing with Alito and the rest of the 3rd Circuit panel. And in a confusing flurry of dissents and concurrences, the Court effectively made new law and further muddied our abortion jurisprudence. But no one " slapped" anyone. If there was any " slapping" at all, it was among the Justices.

    By the way, O'Connor herself was pretty much opposed to Roe for many years. At the time, many thought the Court would overturn Roe because of all the conservatives on the Court. She surprised a lot of people.

    You know, abortion is just one issue, and it's an issue that O'Connor had trouble with over the years. She was inconsistent. OK, so she disagreed with Alito in 1991. BFD. What makes you think she "openly loathes his judicial views" or that "she now deeply regrets giving up her seat"? Over a single issue, like abortion? Please. This is Sandy baby, Rehnquist's girl, the federalism-loving and commerce-clause-limiting Republican, who sided with the majority in Bush v. Gore . . . do you really think she would have preferred a Gore or Kerry or Obama appointee?

    So tell me more about this "deeply affecting tragedy"?
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    ownage.


    edit: Not the cancer, that sucks.

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    Does doobs know her personally?

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    Does doobs know her personally?
    Did I say she openly loathes Alito's views, or that his appointment was a deeply affecting tragedy? Or can you shed some light on this?

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    Did I say she openly loathes Alito's views, or that his appointment was a deeply affecting tragedy? Or can you shed some light on this?
    So your answer is no.

    Why can't you guys just answer a simple yes or no question with a yes or no?

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    So your answer is no.

    Why can't you guys just answer a simple yes or no question with a yes or no?
    He doesn't know either; he just asked you for guidance.

    Did O'Connor really say that she hates Alito's guts, or that she regrets stepping down?

    Or is that all on ballijuana?

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    I'd ask for quotes in that instance.

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    I'm glad they caught it early.
    Perhaps she'll be one who beats this particular cancer.

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    IIRC, 5-year mortality rate is 90%+, as bad as stomach, head/neck, lung cancer.

    She survived colon cancer. horrible to have to go thru it once, but again? horrible-er.

    Good luck.

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    I can't really substantiate it. I may have heard all of this during a Fresh Air interview with Jefferey Toobin, but I'm too lazy to listen to the entire interview again in order to confirm my su ions. I don't know, I'm just talking based on marijuana hazed recollections and thus could be wrong, so believe me or not, but I will say I remembered the Casey case, so it stands that the other facts I connect to said person, based on the same experiential source, would be right as well.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=14505105

    And I didn't say that O'Conner hated Alito- I said she regretted her decision to retire and openly loathed his judicial views (meaning she spoke frankly about them, at least to Toobin, a journalist, if that is indeed the source I'm thinking of.)
    If there was any " slapping" at all, it was among the Justices.
    Obviously that's what I meant. It's not like I thought this was a watershed moment for the American public.

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    I wouldn't be surprised at all if Ginsburg retired VERY soon.

    I can't really substantiate it. I may have heard all of this during a Fresh Air interview with Jefferey Toobin, but I'm too lazy to listen to the entire interview again in order to confirm my su ions. I don't know, I'm just talking based on marijuana hazed recollections and thus could be wrong, so believe me or not, but I will say I remembered the Casey case, so it stands that the other facts I connect to said person, based on the same experiential source, would be right as well.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=14505105

    And I didn't say that O'Conner hated Alito- I said she regretted her decision to retire and openly loathed his judicial views (meaning she spoke frankly about them, at least to Toobin, a journalist, if that is indeed the source I'm thinking of.)
    Fair enough. Thanks for the link. I actually read this book a while back, but I can't really remember it very well. It was pretty forgettable---like an UsWeekly account of the Supreme Court. Jeffrey Toobin is a bit of a hack, in my opinion. He even says in the interview, in response to a question about whether he has interviewed O'Connor and how he has developed his views on O'Connor, "you just have to trust me on this." Come on.

    No matter what Toobin says, I still really doubt the notion that O'Connor loathes Alito's judicial views or regrets her retirement because of him. That's just absurd. She has a heck of a lot more in common with Alito than with, say, Justice Ginsburg or Justice Breyer or Justice Souter or Justice Stevens. The only issue that Toobin and others latch on to is abortion. That's it. Abortion.

    Because of abortion and her occasional purely results-oriented decisions, O'Connor developed a reputation as a moderate swing-voter. On some issues, sure that's correct. But above all, she was a conservative. (Just not a Clarence Thomas conservative.)

    Look, it's no mistake that O'Connor retired when a Republican was president and Congress was controlled by Republicans. I seriously doubt that whatever disagreements she had with Bush would have made her inclined to risk a Democratic appointment to the Court.

    Obviously that's what I meant. It's not like I thought this was a watershed moment for the American public.
    Well, you said she " slapped the out of" Alito. He was not on the Supreme Court at the time. (For the most part, it only really ever gets nasty on the Court when Scalia starts throwing down challenges to his colleagues.) Aside from the occasional 9th Circuit absurdity, the Supreme Court is extremely respectful to the lower courts, even when the lower courts thumb their noses at Supreme Court precedent. So, no, she didn't " slap" Alito. She just wrote the plurality opinion in a case where the Court disagreed with him.

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    I hope she is at peace with the situation. She probably won't live much longer. Although I disagree with her decisions, I would never wish her harm. I think she should step soon and get her affairs in order.

    I'd like to point out two things. Not a single conservative has spoken words of joy over her situation. Look at what liberals do when such a thing applies to a conservative. There are far more evil minded liberals than conservatives.

    As for the appointment president Obama most certainly will be making. At least it's hard to get someone farther to the left than justice Ginsburg.

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    I'd like to point out two things. Not a single conservative has spoken words of joy over her situation. Look at what liberals do when such a thing applies to a conservative. There are far more evil minded liberals than conservatives.
    Way to keep above the fray, WC.

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    Yeah, I got warm fuzzies over the well wishes from the right for Senator Kennedy.

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    Way to keep above the fray, WC.

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    Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm linked to replace Ginsburg

    Yuck. She was the former state DA and helped Biden prepare to debate Palin.

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    Way to keep above the fray, WC.
    I don't try to here, but I don't kick people when they're down either. I was making an observation that many liberal here will be openly happy when a republican or conservative is in bad health, or dying.

    Am I wrong?

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    I don't try to here, but I don't kick people when they're down either. I was making an observation that many liberal here will be openly happy when a republican or conservative is in bad health, or dying.

    Am I wrong?
    My God Man!

    Yes, you are wrong.

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