Sunday should put the Lakers or Cavs debate to rest. I don't think the Cavs can even come close to beating the Lakers..they just don't match up well.
And who knows, it may even end the Kobe vs LeBron debate for the rest of the season.
Personally, I think there are only 5 teams capable of taking out the Lakers in the Playoffs:
1) The Magic (before Jameer got injured)
2) The Spurs (if they trade or get another big man)
3) The Rockets (if they're healthy)
4) The Bobcats (if they get out of the East)
5) The Kings (if they make the Playoffs)
I would have added the Pistons but they look like they're going nowhere fast.
Last edited by Allanon; 02-06-2009 at 05:42 PM.
The Sunday game won't put anything to rest.
If the Lakers win a close game inside the final minute, it doesn't tell us muhc.
If the Lakers convincingly beat the Cavs or blow them out, that'll hint that the Cavs need to make a move.
If the Cavs win, the Lakers don't have bynum, so we cant tell much.
The Staples Center game didn't tell me much, Bynum/Gasol was devastating but Big Z was out.
And then all of a sudden "the king" couldn't do it alone?
The Rockets when healthy?
You might as well throw in the Bulls when MJ and Pippen were in their primes.
Even without Bynum, it's a bad matchup for the Cavs:
Pau > Big Z
Odom > Verajao/Wallace
Luke <<<<< LeBron
Kobe >>>> Mo
Fisher > Boobie
4 out of 5 matchups favor the Lakers.
Then when you go to the bench, it still advantage Lakers.
Cavs might be good against other teams but just not the Lakers. If the Cavs met the Lakers in the Finals as constructed, I would expect the Lakers to sweep them. Especially if Bynum's back.
Excuse me Allanon, there is not enough > between Lebron and Luke. I do not how to make an infinite sign, but that is what you would need.
in' nit-pickers.
Luke <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< LeBron
Better?
It doens't matter if 4 of the 5 matchups favor the Lakers, Lebron is so good that it offsets all of that.
the reason KoME has no reason to be compared to Lebron is simple. The Cavs are the better team even though Lebron's supporting cast is not as good as Kobe's. If you put Kobe on the Cavs, they have 10-12 losses right now. If you put Lebron on the Lakers, they have 6-8 losses right now.
Kobe does have a ridiculously good team right now. That is why I don't wonder if the Lakers are better than the Cavs.
Who's better Kobe or LeBron is debateable, in alot of ways LeBron is better than Kobe. I can even live with LeBron being better than Kobe for 40 minutes.
But as always, for me it comes down to who will get the win and I think it's Kobe every time. When it comes down to closing out a game, Kobe IS the King.
Lebron 6 Kobe 4
I think your roster Matchup is off...
Kobe >>>>>>>>>>>>> Boobie
Fisher < Mo
Mo is the cavs PG... Boobie is their backup PG, and is forced to play SG, while west is out. West should be back for the playoffs:
Kobe >>>> West
That makes it a lot tighter than you think.
Most of those wins came against Kwame, Luke, Smush. The Lakers used to suck pretty bad.
Ah you're right. i'm not sure about the lineups with West out.
But when West comes back, so will Bynum so it changes things again in the Lakers favor.
I personally like Fisher in the Playoffs better than Mo, he's like a mini-Horry and a viable game-winning-shot maker.
Is GHAZI Spursdynasty....because he's about succint and re ed like him. Good takes and hopefully this is all an act. I truly believe your the same dude.
Spurs? I have respect for the Spurs organization but their les are flukes. This time around the best player on the Finals opponent won't be Jason Kidd or Chauncy Billups, it'll be the King. This is the worst edition of the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era
Again, this is crazy fan talking out of their backside.
To post that the Spurs' les were flukes is just flat-out wrong. When you have won multiple championships...there is nothing fluky about that.
The Spurs didn't decide on who they were playing in the finals. You play who comes out of the east. Blame the teams...who the media thought were going to make it and didn't. Also, those Detroit teams were very good by the way.
And to say this edition of the Spurs is the worst....you're not watching the Spurs closely. They are same position as they've always been. Now they may or may not win the championship...that's a legitimate debate.
But, please be objective about them and what they've accomplished. I don't like the Lakers but I have to be honest and respectful for their accomplishments.
"The truth is the truth even if no one believes it, a lie is a lie even if everyone believes it, and speculation is still speculation even if everyone thinks it's a fact."
Last edited by MarHill; 02-06-2009 at 06:41 PM.
Fine, but I still think this team is the worst in the Tim Duncan era. At least statistically and via the eyeball test.
Boobie doesn't start. Backcourt will be Mo-Sasha. And Mo > Fisher.
Andy-Ben > Odom while we're at it.
The part about the LakeShow sweeping the Cavaliers I'll just chalk up to Allanon being Allanon.
They've drafted a back-up PG and signed a knock down shooter and are on tap to win 56-58 games...like they've always been.
Yes they are a little thin on the frontline....I will give you that.
But they will right there at the end like they've always been.
I disagree on Fish and Odom. Points wise, Mo is better but for overall game in a Playoff series, I take Fisher. He's saved the Laker's ass numerous times.
Odom I also think is better than Andy/Ben. The old superior Defense Big Ben was better than Odom but not this current one.
Andy is Odom's equal in defense and rebounds. He's a high energy guy while Odom is a great man to man and help defender.
But Odom brings an all around skill game playing all 5 positions. Aside from LeBron, Odom is probably the most versatile player in the NBA.
This part is true. ToucheThe part about the LakeShow sweeping the Cavaliers I'll just chalk up to Allanon being Allanon.
Odom's versatility can suck it. The guy is inconsistent and mediocre.
Mo < Fisher? that's just crazy talk.
In tense situations, Fish delivers, time and time again.
Regular season, Mo is better. But in the Playoffs, I believe Fish is better. Fish has a history of making big shots, his composure under pressure is what makes him so good.
Fish might miss 10 shots in a row, but if it's anywhere near a pressure situation, he'll make it.
Has Mo even been in the playoffs? How do we know whether or not he's a good playoff player.
That's exactly why I take Fish, I know he produces in the Playoffs.
Fisher can't guard Mo Williams, Allanon. Savvy player? Worlds of experience? Money shooter? Yes times three. But he can't guard Mo Williams.I disagree on Fish and Odom. Points wise, Mo is better but for overall game in a Playoff series, I take Fisher. He's saved the Laker's ass numerous times.
Odom's heart and durability have never equalled his skills. You depend on him at your peril. Ben and Andy are limited offensively but they know their roles and can be counted on to fill them. Lamar is a wild card, and that's putting it nicely.Odom I also think is better than Andy/Ben. The old superior Defense Big Ben was better than Odom but not this current one.
Andy is Odom's equal in defense and rebounds. He's a high energy guy while Odom is a great man to man and help defender.
But Odom brings an all around skill game playing all 5 positions. Aside from LeBron, Odom is probably the most versatile player in the NBA.
Hopefully we'll find out. The Cavaliers and Lakers have never played a meaningful game. It'd be nice to see that change soon.
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