Cleveland is winning it all this year

[Allanon]

Hopefully we'll find out. The Cavaliers and Lakers have never played a meaningful game. It'd be nice to see that change soon.

I agree completely.

[sook]

the cavs are amzing, but i still can't pick them to beat a team like SA or LA

[TheMACHINE]

the cavs are amzing, but i still can't pick them to beat a team like SA or LA

word

[Ghazi]

San An frickin tonio?

The Spurs are not better than the Cavs this year.

The Spurs are a 30-18 team if not for fluke wins. The Spurs win their games by 3.3 points or so, the Cavs win their games by 10.3 points. Cavs > Spurs

[KidCongo]

Kobe does have a ridiculously good team right now. That is why I don't wonder if the Lakers are better than the Cavs.

Who's better Kobe or LeBron is debateable, in alot of ways LeBron is better than Kobe. I can even live with LeBron being better than Kobe for 40 minutes.

But as always, for me it comes down to who will get the win and I think it's Kobe every time. When it comes down to closing out a game, Kobe IS the King.

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

[Allanon]

http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Obviously though this definition means a shot may not actually be a game winner -- it may only tie a game (if down two points) or it may allow enough time for the opponents to get a game winning shot of their own.

NBA GM Survey
http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21...isc/index.html

Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant -- 88.9%
Others receiving votes: Gilbert Arenas, LeBron James, Paul Pierce

[KidCongo]

Obviously though this definition means a shot may not actually be a game winner -- it may only tie a game (if down two points) or it may allow enough time for the opponents to get a game winning shot of their own.

So Kobe has made even less?

[Allanon]

So Kobe has made even less?

We don't know the outcome of the game.

But I also added this:

NBA GM Survey
http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21...isc/index.html

Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant -- 88.9%
Others receiving votes: Gilbert Arenas, LeBron James, Paul Pierce

[Ghazi]

Obviously though this definition means a shot may not actually be a game winner -- it may only tie a game (if down two points) or it may allow enough time for the opponents to get a game winning shot of their own.

NBA GM Survey
http://www.nba.com/2008/tipoff/10/21...isc/index.html

Which player in the NBA would you want taking a shot with the game on the line?
1. Kobe Bryant -- 88.9%
Others receiving votes: Gilbert Arenas, LeBron James, Paul Pierce

That's because Kobe Bryant is more hype than substance, and apparently the GM's have bought into the hype as well

The stats dont lie, 14/56

Now now, Kobe is a great player and the 2nd best shooting guard of all time, but he is over hyped at the same time. He has no business being in the same breath as Jordan, or Lebron.

[TheNextGen]

That's because Kobe Bryant is more hype than substance, and apparently the GM's have bought into the hype as well

The stats dont lie, 14/56

Now now, Kobe is a great player and the 2nd best shooting guard of all time, but he is over hyped at the same time. He has no business being in the same breath as Jordan, or Lebron.

Damn dude...i normally take you serioulsy in this forum, but ...im starting to think i shouldnt.

[Allanon]

That's because Kobe Bryant is more hype than substance, and apparently the GM's have bought into the hype as well

The stats dont lie, 14/56

Now now, Kobe is a great player and the 2nd best shooting guard of all time, but he is over hyped at the same time. He has no business being in the same breath as Jordan, or Lebron.

The Stats DO lie. Look at Amare, he's a stat buster.

Shots can be made in the last 24, whether or not you win the game is a different matter.

You may know basketball, but I still take an NBA GM's opinion more.

[Ghazi]

Damn dude...i normally take you serioulsy in this forum, but ...im starting to think i shouldnt.

My friend, Lebron is on another planet right now. The gap between Lebron and Kobe is the same as the gap between Kobe and Brandon Roy.

Lebron >>> Kobe >>> Brandon Roy

[KidCongo]

The Stats DO lie. Look at Amare, he's a stat buster.

Shots can be made in the last 24, whether or not you win the game is a different matter.

You may know basketball, but I still take an NBA GM's opinion more.

That is coming through for your team. Putting them in a position to win with the game on the line.

[Allanon]

That is coming through for your team. Putting them in a position to win with the game on the line.

There are no points for moral victories.

There's no coincidence that LeBron may be the best player but there's no question as to who the Closer is.

Even Jeff Van Gundy, who loves LeBron, says he's the best 40 minute player but for the final 5, he takes Kobe.

[TheMACHINE]

My friend, Lebron is on another planet right now. The gap between Lebron and Kobe is the same as the gap between Kobe and Brandon Roy.

Lebron >>> Kobe >>> Brandon Roy

Ok..the gap is based on what?

Wins? Points per game? Rings? Skill? I would love to know why Lebron is another planet.

[ducks]

if the nba only cared about cavs
they would not care traverling on james
and would not take james triple double away

[MarHill]

San An frickin tonio?

The Spurs are not better than the Cavs this year.

The Spurs are a 30-18 team if not for fluke wins. The Spurs win their games by 3.3 points or so, the Cavs win their games by 10.3 points. Cavs > Spurs

There you go again....with this fluke thing and San Antonio.

That's just silly...for a team that's averaged 58 wins in the last 6 seasons and are on pace to do that again.

They win the close games...period. You are what your record says you are.

I could do a what if scenario on every team's record in the league.

I know you don't like SA...but please keep the word fluke away from them.

Yikes!!

[cobbler]

...and in the Olympics, when they were teamates, who deferred to who in crunch time of the gold medal game.

Apparently, even Lebron knows who the CLOSER is.

[Ghazi]

If the Olympics meant anything, I'd think Hamed Haddadi is an elite shot blocker and rebounder.

(Who?)

[j-money24]

Sunday should put the Lakers or Cavs debate to rest. I don't think the Cavs can even come close to beating the Lakers..they just don't match up well.

And who knows, it may even end the Kobe vs LeBron debate for the rest of the season.

Personally, I think there are only 5 teams capable of taking out the Lakers in the Playoffs:

1) The Magic (before Jameer got injured)
2) The Spurs (if they trade or get another big man)
3) The Rockets (if they're healthy)
4) The Bobcats (if they get out of the East)
5) The Kings (if they make the Playoffs)

I would have added the Pistons but they look like they're going nowhere fast.

so the kings and the bobcats are going somewhere?
lmfao
and no man, stop understimating the cavs,
in my opinion cavs have been the best team in the league this year and cavs dont only have lebron..
if u think about it cavs have 3 all-stars and 1 former all-star.
lebron is one, in my books mo williams is an all-star, and ilquaskas would have made it because he is clearly the 2nd best center in the east but he was injured for like a month and ben walllace use to be at a all-star level, he still decent though.
szerbiak or how ever u spell his name was an all-star b4..
il say it again
CAVS are underrated

[cobbler]

If the Olympics meant anything, I'd think Hamed Haddadi is an elite shot blocker and rebounder.

(Who?)

If you don't think the Olympics meant anything to the players after watching all the interviews from Lebron, Kobe etc... then you are obviously a bigger than even your posts project.

[Allanon]

so the kings and the bobcats are going somewhere?

Obviously not, but if by some "fluke" they were to play the Lakers in the Playoffs/Finals, I'd be scared as .

and no man, stop understimating the cavs,
in my opinion cavs have been the best team in the league this year and cavs dont only have lebron..
if u think about it cavs have 3 all-stars and 1 former all-star.
lebron is one, in my books mo williams is an all-star, and ilquaskas would have made it because he is clearly the 2nd best center in the east but he was injured for like a month and ben walllace use to be at a all-star level, he still decent though.
szerbiak or how ever u spell his name was an all-star b4..
il say it again
CAVS are underrated

That's all good and all but will the Cavs beat the Lakers on Sunday?

BTW, I'll put my sig or avatar where my mouth is. Lakers will win on Sunday, any doubters, let's make a sig/avatar bet.

[j-money24]

Obviously not, but if by some "fluke" they were to play the Lakers in the Playoffs/Finals, I'd be scared as .



That's all good and all but will the Cavs beat the Lakers on Sunday?

BTW, I'll put my sig or avatar where my mouth is. Lakers will win on Sunday, any doubters, let's make a sig/avatar bet.

look im hoping we beat them on sunday but its gonna be hard, its really hard to sweep the 2 of the best 3 teams in the nba, and plus delonte and ilguaskas was out that game and lakers wont have bynum and the cavs are 23-0 at home and they definitly want revenge, so i dont know, i would say im expecting a loss on sunday but i hope they prove me wrong.and going 6-0 on a hard road trip is also hard to do, u feel me?haha

[Allanon]

look im hoping we beat them on sunday but its gonna be hard, its really hard to sweep the best 2 of the best 3 teams in the nba, and plus delonte and ilguaskas was out that game and lakers wont have bynum and the cavs are 23-0 at home and they definitly wont revenge, so i dont know, i would say im expecting a loss on sunday but i hope they prove me wrong.and going 6-0 on a hard road trip is also hard to do, u feel me?haha

I'm feelin' yah bro.

Hope for the best.

[lefty]

The Cavs are the 2009 Eastern Conference Champions