Phil Jackson takes shots at the Celtics

[anonoftheinternets]

great point. i think the top 5 coaches in any order are phil, pop, sloan, byron scott, and adelman

almost right ..... it shud be
pop=phil(tied), sloan, byron scott, and adelman

[gmartin02]

Maybe you are just as clueless as I am, but why do LA fans hate Shaq so much?

I don't think most Laker fans really "hate" Shaq, but he really frustrated many of us with some of his "unprofessional" at ude:

1. Shaq reported to training camp fat & out of shape every single year after the 99-00 season.
2. When the Lakers lost a couple of games, Shaq usually pointed the finger at everyone else but himself as the problem for the losses, usually saying "my team isn't giving me enough touches" - got to be like a broken record.
3. Instead of getting a needed toe surgery at the conclusion of the 01-02 season, he waited until mid September to have the surgery, stating "I got hurt on company time, so I’ll heal on company time." - That may be OK for us working stiffs, but for someone making $27 million a year and the rest of the team depending on him - come on.
4. During the 03/04 season, Shaq demanded a salary extension of $30 million per year if he was to stay in LA (ridiculous for a starting to go over the hill, fat, out of shape big man) - of course as soon as he was traded to Miami, he renegotiated his existing contract (with extension) down to $20 million per year.
5. As soon as he left the Lakers he was dissin not just Kobe, but the entire Laker organization for weeks (who had stroked his ego & put up with his immaturity for years to keep him happy) - kind of a slap in the face.
6. For his first 2 years in Miami, he actually showed up to training camp in shape - another slap in the face (of course his last 2 years on Miami he went back to his old routine of fat & out of shape).

There were a lot of good moments with Shaq over the years, and I think he has matured to the point by this year that he doesn't do many of these things any more, but this is the reason many of us in LA get enjoyment of seeing the Suns struggling.

I just wished about 8 years ago someone could have injected some of Tim Duncan's or Karl Malone's "big man" professionalism & work ethic into Shaq - he would probably still be on the Lakers (and respected more by Laker fans).

[picnroll]

It's Phil's genius. He and Popovich know exactly what to say/infer at during interviews and press conferences.

No comparison. Phil's a . Pop's a man.

[scanry]

great point. i think the top 5 coaches in any order are phil, pop, sloan, byron scott, and adelman

I don't know about you guys, but i would take Pop over Phil every day of the week. Phil has had some of the game's best talent on his side. BTW i'm pretty sure Pop would've straightened out Shaq & Kobe during their feud.

Pop is humble and always gives the other team credit. Phil on the other is a bad loser (more like a sore loser), and always looks for excuses to overshadow his team's flaws. That is what really pisses me off about Phil.

[scanry]

No comparison. Phil's a . Pop's a man.

More like a whining . Always looks for excuses. I hope Kobe smacks him on the head before he retires. I truly believe Phil deserves it after the book he wrote about Kobe.

[DeadlyDynasty]

No comparison. Phil's a . Pop's a man.

A has bested Pop 4/5 times then...

[scanry]

A has bested Pop 4/5 times then...

Yeah with guys like Shaq, Kobe, Malone & Payton.

It's like saying Phil owned Pat Riley where in reality Riley actually outcoached Phil in the 90's. He almost knocked off the Bulls in 1992.

BTW is Pat Riley the best Lakers coach of all time or is it Phil the smug Jackson?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yeah with guys like Shaq, Kobe, Malone & Payton.

It's like saying Phil owned Pat Riley where in reality Riley actually outcoached Phil in the 90's. He almost knocked off the Bulls in 1992.

BTW is Pat Riley the best Lakers coach of all time or is it Phil the smug Jackson?

Come on, I gotta go with Riles


That "quartet" is responsible for only 1 of those victories. It's not like Pop has had to work with...the best PF in the game (maybe ever), D-Rob for 2 of those, great PG, and a one-of-a-kind versatile guard.

[jonnybravo]

Agreed.

Perkins, Big Fatty, and KG move on every screen, then again so do most big men in today's nba. The thing that pisses me off is that Perkins and Big Fatass don't try to hide it, at least KG conceals it behind his INTENSITY!

That's not true. The refs by and large have been calling moving picks consistently. I dont see TD making a living at it.

For some reason, KG literally plays fullback indiscriminately.

[Red Hawk #21]

I wonder how Phil feels about that Kings vs Lakers game 6 in 2002...

[DeadlyDynasty]

I wonder how Phil feels about that Kings vs Lakers game 6 in 2002...

i'm guessing it never crosses his mind, however Horry's Game 4 trey and the Kings' Game 7 airballs will resonate forever

[TheNextGen]

I don't know about you guys, but i would take Pop over Phil every day of the week. Phil has had some of the game's best talent on his side. BTW i'm pretty sure Pop would've straightened out Shaq & Kobe during their feud.

Pop is humble and always gives the other team credit. Phil on the other is a bad loser (more like a sore loser), and always looks for excuses to overshadow his team's flaws. That is what really pisses me off about Phil.

so you are saying that we dont have any great players? TD, Robinson, Ginobli and Parker are great players imo.

[picnroll]

A has bested Pop 4/5 times then...

Still a . You can have him. He goes well with the Lakers' personna.

[sook]

ironic considering PJ is just as bad.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Still a . You can have him. He goes well with the Lakers' personna.

Thanks, he's a bona fide winner and he's in Pop's head

[IronMexican]

I wonder how Phil feels about that Kings vs Lakers game 6 in 2002...

Were you a fan back then?

[cobbler]

I don't think most Laker fans really "hate" Shaq, but he really frustrated many of us with some of his "unprofessional" at ude:

1. Shaq reported to training camp fat & out of shape every single year after the 99-00 season.
2. When the Lakers lost a couple of games, Shaq usually pointed the finger at everyone else but himself as the problem for the losses, usually saying "my team isn't giving me enough touches" - got to be like a broken record.
3. Instead of getting a needed toe surgery at the conclusion of the 01-02 season, he waited until mid September to have the surgery, stating "I got hurt on company time, so I’ll heal on company time." - That may be OK for us working stiffs, but for someone making $27 million a year and the rest of the team depending on him - come on.
4. During the 03/04 season, Shaq demanded a salary extension of $30 million per year if he was to stay in LA (ridiculous for a starting to go over the hill, fat, out of shape big man) - of course as soon as he was traded to Miami, he renegotiated his existing contract (with extension) down to $20 million per year.
5. As soon as he left the Lakers he was dissin not just Kobe, but the entire Laker organization for weeks (who had stroked his ego & put up with his immaturity for years to keep him happy) - kind of a slap in the face.
6. For his first 2 years in Miami, he actually showed up to training camp in shape - another slap in the face (of course his last 2 years on Miami he went back to his old routine of fat & out of shape).

There were a lot of good moments with Shaq over the years, and I think he has matured to the point by this year that he doesn't do many of these things any more, but this is the reason many of us in LA get enjoyment of seeing the Suns struggling.

I just wished about 8 years ago someone could have injected some of Tim Duncan's or Karl Malone's "big man" professionalism & work ethic into Shaq - he would probably still be on the Lakers (and respected more by Laker fans).

Oh yeah...and the classic... "Kobe needs to learn about playing team ball and stop being so selfish." Followed in the next sentence with. "This is my team and the ball needs to go through me."

Although many of us fans do appreciate his contributions, as this post states, he was unprofessional. Shaq could have gone down in history as the greatest center ever. He barely cracks the top 5 if that. If only he had a work ethic. And that is why fans like me, who do appreciate his contributions, cannot stand him. He will pull the same with the Suns...mark my words!

[DrHouse]

The only thing I regret about Shaq leaving was Mitch Kupchak not demanding Dwayne Wade coming back.

Can you freaking imagine a backcourt of Kobe and Dwayne? Good God.....

[ElNono]

Can you freaking imagine a backcourt of Kobe and Dwayne? Good God.....

I can already see Phil Jackson and Wade taking turns to use the wheelchair...

[JoeTait75]

The only thing I regret about Shaq leaving was Mitch Kupchak not demanding Dwayne Wade coming back.

Can you freaking imagine a backcourt of Kobe and Dwayne? Good God.....

MITCH: And we're going to want Dwayne Wa- Click- o? Pat? o?

[IronMexican]

The only thing I regret about Shaq leaving was Mitch Kupchak not demanding Dwayne Wade coming back.

Can you freaking imagine a backcourt of Kobe and Dwayne? Good God.....

That would be ridiculous. I remember being real pissed that Shaq was traded in ithe first place, and that Dwayne Wade wasn't coming here.

[DeadlyDynasty]

MITCH: And we're going to want Dwayne Wa- Click- o? Pat? o?

No, Mitch ed up later trading caron butler for stonehands

[IronMexican]

MITCH: And we're going to want Dwayne Wa- Click- o? Pat? o?

At the time, Miami would have done it. I think Wade averaged like 16 during his rookie season. It wasn't till year three that he blew up.

[DrHouse]

Riles made a comment later on that if the Lakers had stayed firm he probably would have given him up. Remember they still had Caron, LO, etc.

Mitch didn't have the foresight to know that Wade would blow up like he did so he took the surer bet in Caron Butler.

[JoeTait75]

Riles made a comment later on that if the Lakers had stayed firm he probably would have given him up. Remember they still had Caron, LO, etc.

Mitch didn't have the foresight to know that Wade would blow up like he did so he took the surer bet in Caron Butler.

That's really not a bad sure bet. Caron Butler is a very good player wasted on a very bad team. Getting him wasn't a problem for the LakeShow. Giving him up for Kwame Brown, now...