Rasheed Wallace on the Spurs?

[SenorSpur]

It would require one of the Spurs big three and either Mason or Hill just to let Dumars consider it. He won't trade Rasheed for junk. Rasheed is being rumored as the centerpiece in a package for Amare. But the Pistons should trade him for Vaugh, Udoka, and Thomas instead? Come on now.

It's either find another team to accept junk to give the Pistons a legit offer or wait til this summer for a chance at Rasheed.

Which is exactly why I believe a more realistic scenario is that the Spurs will be able to get Sheed "free and clear" this summer, instead of now. Even if Sheed went to PHX in a package for Amare, it would be great to see him bolt after the season and sign with the Spurs.

Can you imagine the "piss and vinegar" that would be spewing in the desert among Suns management and fans if that happened?

[DAF86]

It would require one of the Spurs big three and either Mason or Hill just to let Dumars consider it. He won't trade Rasheed for junk. Rasheed is being rumored as the centerpiece in a package for Amare. But the Pistons should trade him for Vaugh, Udoka, and Thomas instead? Come on now.

It's either find another team to accept junk to give the Pistons a legit offer or wait til this summer for a chance at Rasheed.

Dumars only cares about cape space and getting at least something somewhat valuable for Wallace ('cause he isn't signing with the Pistons next year)

We give you Vaughn, Udoka, Finley and Horry's (if we have Bird rights) expiring contracts and add Mahinmi, the rights to Splitter, a draft pick and/or some cash compesation. Now tell me Joe wouldn't at least analyse this.

[FromWayDowntown]

Anything outside the the Spurs Big 3 plus either Mason or Hill aren't assets the Pistons want. So, it would take that to make a deal. And, since of course the Spurs wouldn't offer that, the Spurs aren't getting Rasheed.

Understand?

I'll admit that I haven't followed the Pistons' roster management very closely of late, but I'd wonder about that assertion given that 2 of the Spurs Big 3 (Duncan and Parker) and Hill have contracts that run beyond the summer of 2010. Given my understanding that the Iverson deal (for instance) was made to create cap space for that summer, I'd be hard pressed to believe that Dumars would be looking to take on any contracts that would interfere with that cap space. That leaves Ginobili and Mason, who don't make much sense for Detroit from a talent standpoint, given their current logjam at the wing positions.

Just my .02. There's no doubt that if Dumars is looking to get talent-for-talent, he's not making a deal with San Antonio (though at this point, I'm not sure he could get that for Rasheed anywhere); if he wants to protect his capspace in 2010 while trying to salvage some useful asset for Rasheed, the chances to do a deal with San Antonio go up -- but I'd agree that it's not by a whole lot.

[SenorSpur]

I disagree somewhat. If the Pistons are faced with letting him walk for nothing (which is not so bad because they get cap space) then getting a young upside big that does not cost a lot (Mahinmi) or that is off the books entirely (Splitter) is not a bad option as long as they get to keep the vast majority of the cap space as well.

I agree the Pistons will not trade Sheed unless they get a package like I described or like I outlined in the "perfect storm" scenario (Amare). The only teams Sheed helps are teams on the cusp of being champs. So not only do the Pistons have to find a team that fits that, but they also have to find a team with a young boarderline superstar that they are willing to part with in order to make their team better this year for a run at a le and that wants cap space. The Suns are the only team that fit that criteria imo.

But if that is not a reality, then getting Mahinmi and keeping your cap space sounds like a good deal if you are going to just get cap space anyways.

If I'm the Spurs I DO NOT trade Ian under any cir stances. Wallace would be a perfect fit in S.A, but probably for 2-3 years at the most. Ian is the only young, big, the Spurs have. A team as old as the Spurs can ill-afford to mortgage their future by dumping a promising kid like Ian.

Besides, if the Spurs do nothing, they'll still have a shot to get Sheed over the summer. Furthermore, if Dumars doesn't get the package he wants, he'll probably keep Sheed and use the cap space to his advantage.

[hater]

I think both Pistonfan and Spursfan are delusional on this one. No way Spurs trade big 3 or even Mason/Hill. But also no way Pistons get our junk players only.

I agree about a 3rd team need to be involved, Horry and a ton of CIA Pop

[EricB]

I'll admit that I haven't followed the Pistons' roster management very closely of late, but I'd wonder about that assertion given that 2 of the Spurs Big 3 (Duncan and Parker) and Hill have contracts that run beyond the summer of 2010. Given my understanding that the Iverson deal (for instance) was made to create cap space for that summer, I'd be hard pressed to believe that Dumars would be looking to take on any contracts that would interfere with that cap space. That leaves Ginobili and Mason, who don't make much sense for Detroit from a talent standpoint, given their current logjam at the wing positions.

Just my .02. There's no doubt that if Dumars is looking to get talent-for-talent, he's not making a deal with San Antonio (though at this point, I'm not sure he could get that for Rasheed anywhere); if he wants to protect his capspace in 2010 while trying to salvage some useful asset for Rasheed, the chances to do a deal with San Antonio go up -- but I'd agree that it's not by a whole lot.

He's not, and if arrogant jerk piston fan thinks they are getting Amare Stoudamire for him, they can put down the damn bong.

[DAF86]

Another thing to consider is that Rasheed has already said that he wants to play for the Spurs so let me ask you this: What team would trade for him knowing that next year there's a high posibility that he signs with SA?

[DPG21920]

If I'm the Spurs I DO NOT trade Ian under any cir stances. Wallace would be a perfect fit in S.A, but probably for 2-3 years at the most. Ian is the only young, big, the Spurs have. A team as old as the Spurs can ill-afford to mortgage their future by dumping a promising kid like Ian.

Besides, if the Spurs do nothing, they'll still have a shot to get Sheed over the summer. Furthermore, if Dumars doesn't get the package he wants, he'll probably keep Sheed and use the cap space to his advantage.

Ian makes less than 1 million. So if you give the Pistons a combo of expiring contracts, cash considerations and they buy out some guys, they get essentially all of their cap space still and get Ian.

If you are the Spurs, you get Sheed for sure now, do not have to worry about FA, can still resign him and if not, you now have 13 million in cap space next year to easily replace Ian for your future. This would be an epic move by the Spurs.

[ploto]

All this Horry stuff is not going to happen because he would actually have to report and show an intent to play.

[JamStone]

Joe Dumars was on the Mitch Albom show yesterday. He specifically stated that he is not giving up on the season. So, getting junk and prospects only is not something he will consider. He said he's open to a trade if it makes the team better. Dumars doesn't speak in smokescreens. Now, you can have all the hope in the world that the Spurs somehow find a way to get Rasheed this year. I'm telling you it's next to impossible. Dumars is not trading Rasheed just to trade him. He will trade Rasheed if he thinks it makes the team better. There's no good argument that Mahinmi and Splitter for the future makes the team better now.

[DPG21920]

Another thing to consider is that Rasheed has already said that he wants to play for the Spurs so let me ask you this: What team would trade for him knowing that next year there's a high posibility that he signs with SA?

Ian makes less than 1 million. So if you give the Pistons a combo of expiring contracts, cash considerations and they buy out some guys, they get essentially all of their cap space still and get Ian.

If you are the Spurs, you get Sheed for sure now, do not have to worry about FA, can still resign him and if not, you now have 13 million in cap space next year to easily replace Ian for your future. This would be an epic move by the Spurs.

[DAF86]

I think both Pistonfan and Spursfan are delusional on this one. No way Spurs trade big 3 or even Mason/Hill. But also no way Pistons get our junk players only.

I agree about a 3rd team need to be involved, Horry and a ton of CIA Pop

Do you undesrtand that Dumars only cares about cap space (Vaughn, Udoka, Finley, Horry) and maybe getting a few valuable young players (Mahinmi, Splitter, draft pick) add to that a little bit of money (3 mil on cash compesation) an it isn't so crazy to think that this might happen.

[DPG21920]

Joe Dumars was on the Mitch Albom show yesterday. He specifically stated that he is not giving up on the season. So, getting junk and prospects only is not something he will consider. He said he's open to a trade if it makes the team better. Dumars doesn't speak in smokescreens. Now, you can have all the hope in the world that the Spurs somehow find a way to get Rasheed this year. I'm telling you it's next to impossible. Dumars is not trading Rasheed just to trade him. He will trade Rasheed if he thinks it makes the team better. There's no good argument that Mahinmi and Splitter for the future makes the team better now.

So you think that if no other trade offers come his way, and this current Piston team is the one he is going to go with this year into the playoffs, he will be happy to go with that and then lose Sheed next year (although he gets cap space) for absolutely nothing, not even a young prospect?

[picnroll]

Pistons are going nowhere this year and would be best to get something for Sheed if it didn't jeporadize future cap space. The centerpiece of nay trade should be Mahinmi or Splitter depending on who the Spurs valued less. Pistons can get something for Wallace or keep him and hope to make it as first round playoff fodder

[EricB]

All this Horry stuff is not going to happen because he would actually have to report and show an intent to play.

Yeah just like KVH did last year

I know its gonna break your heart if the Spurs win again this year, so suck it up Pacer fan.

[JamStone]

I think both Pistonfan and Spursfan are delusional on this one. No way Spurs trade big 3 or even Mason/Hill. But also no way Pistons get our junk players only.

Never thought the Spurs would trade any of the big 3 or Mason or Hill for Rasheed. Merely stated that's what it would take to get talks going. I agree with you. That's basically what I was saying. Spurs wouldn't give up what it would take to get Rasheed from Dumars' point of view.

[EricB]

If Dumars thinks his current team is a contender with that re Michael Curry as the coach, then he needs to be drug tested.

[SenorSpur]

Joe Dumars was on the Mitch Albom show yesterday. He specifically stated that he is not giving up on the season. So, getting junk and prospects only is not something he will consider. He said he's open to a trade if it makes the team better. Dumars doesn't speak in smokescreens. Now, you can have all the hope in the world that the Spurs somehow find a way to get Rasheed this year. I'm telling you it's next to impossible. Dumars is not trading Rasheed just to trade him. He will trade Rasheed if he thinks it makes the team better. There's no good argument that Mahinmi and Splitter for the future makes the team better now.

That said, Ian is a promising talent, but he's injured and is an unknown quan y. Again, Spurs would be FOOLS to include him in any scenario before knowing what his production can be.

If anyone thinks it's easy to just simply ship out and replace a 21 year-old, 6'11", promising PF/C, think again? It's not. Legitimate bigs don't grow on trees and the Spurs simply aren't in a position to keep drafting and developing such project players.

[FromWayDowntown]

Joe Dumars was on the Mitch Albom show yesterday. He specifically stated that he is not giving up on the season. So, getting junk and prospects only is not something he will consider. He said he's open to a trade if it makes the team better. Dumars doesn't speak in smokescreens. Now, you can have all the hope in the world that the Spurs somehow find a way to get Rasheed this year. I'm telling you it's next to impossible. Dumars is not trading Rasheed just to trade him. He will trade Rasheed if he thinks it makes the team better. There's no good argument that Mahinmi and Splitter for the future makes the team better now.

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[DAF86]

Joe Dumars was on the Mitch Albom show yesterday. He specifically stated that he is not giving up on the season. So, getting junk and prospects only is not something he will consider. He said he's open to a trade if it makes the team better. Dumars doesn't speak in smokescreens. Now, you can have all the hope in the world that the Spurs somehow find a way to get Rasheed this year. I'm telling you it's next to impossible. Dumars is not trading Rasheed just to trade him. He will trade Rasheed if he thinks it makes the team better. There's no good argument that Mahinmi and Splitter for the future makes the team better now.

He pretty much gave up on the season the moment he traded Billups for Iverson (and I say this even though AI is one of my favorite players of all time )

[JamStone]

So you think that if no other trade offers come his way, and this current Piston team is the one he is going to go with this year into the playoffs, he will be happy to go with that and then lose Sheed next year (although he gets cap space) for absolutely nothing, not even a young prospect?

Yes. He's absolutely willing to do that, because it means a load of cap room to go after a legitimate big man. It doesn't guarantee the Pistons get one, but the Pistons have had plenty of experience with prospect big men from Darko to now Amir Johnson. It's not what Dumars wants. He'll play it out with this team if he doesn't get a trade offer that he feels makes the Pistons better now, this season.

[DPG21920]

He's not, and if arrogant jerk piston fan thinks they are getting Amare Stoudamire for him, they can put down the damn bong.

I can definitely see the Suns doing this trade (only if they get some other guys as well). The Suns still want to make a push this year, Rasheed helps them this year more than Amare. Rasheed expires next year so they get cap space and if they get another young prospect it helps them for the long term as well.

Detroit is not going to get anyone better than Amare in FA, so this is the best case scenario for them as well. Like I said, it is the perfect storm. Will it happen? I do not know. Would it shock me? Not at all.

[JamStone]

He pretty much gave up on the season the moment he traded Billups for Iverson (and I say this even though AI is one of my favorite players of all time )

In retrospect, that certainly appears to be the case. But, make no bones about it, at the time of the trade, that's not how he felt. He thought Iverson would be rejuvenated in Detroit and would at the very least keep the Pistons at the same level as before the trade. Obviously, that hasn't been the case. But, Dumars didn't give up on the season with that trade in his eyes. And, he isn't giving up on the season now either. You can disagree with that and make fun of it. But, that's the truth.

[DPG21920]

Yes. He's absolutely willing to do that, because it means a load of cap room to go after a legitimate big man. It doesn't guarantee the Pistons get one, but the Pistons have had plenty of experience with prospect big men from Darko to now Amir Johnson. It's not what Dumars wants. He'll play it out with this team if he doesn't get a trade offer that he feels makes the Pistons better now, this season.

What is the difference? You are seriously trying to tell me that 32 million in cap space + Mahinmi is worse than 33 million in cap space by itself? It is such a low risk/high reward situation.

[JamStone]

If Dumars thinks his current team is a contender with that re Michael Curry as the coach, then he needs to be drug tested.

Thinking the Pistons is a contender and not giving up on the season are two different things.

You're post as if you're mad or something. Take a five minute break and drink some tea. Then come back when you're less anger-filled.