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What you are failing to take into account is the Sheed's contract expires next year to the tune of 13+ million. You are telling me the Spurs cannot sign someone for the future (such as Ian would be for the Spurs) with that kind of money?
The difference is he is not giving up on this season.
What you are failing to take into account is the Sheed's contract expires next year to the tune of 13+ million. You are telling me the Spurs cannot sign someone for the future (such as Ian would be for the Spurs) with that kind of money?
one team has a chance to make some noise this season. the other is going to have to fight to stay in the bottom half of the playoff bracket. again, dumars isnt going to give up on this season. period.
To clarify, if the Spurs were to somehow get Rasheed for the stuff people here propose, even after Rasheed's contract expires next year, they'd still be over the cap. They wouldn't have $13 million in cap space. They'd have the MLE and LLE. They'd still have to wait for the summer of 2010 to have any cap space, basically the same as it is now.
If your not a contender, then whats the point?
To just lose again in the playoffs?
Makes no sense.
Please show me any indication that the Pistons are going to make noise this year as currently constructed. Ask Piston fans if they think that is true.
I am sure Piston fans will feel slighted if this team packs it in, gets bounced in the first round and Dumars did nothing to get any value for Rasheed knowing so.
doesnt matter. dumars doesnt care about that. he wont give up, outcome be damned.
and our assets are of so little value that moving the heart of the team while simultaneously giving up on the rest of the season is not going to sit well with piston fans either.
I'm not sure I agree with that necessarily. The Spurs, as best I can tell, aren't terribly concerned for the moment about the post-Duncan era -- nor should they be, I think. Given the opportunity to add a piece that could give them a chance to win another le or two while Duncan is in uniform is far more important right now than trying to sustain some relative degree of success after Duncan retires.
At this juncture, with the Big 3 basically within their control for the foreseeable future, the Spurs are far more concerned with winning now than worrying about what comes next.
If it takes giving up a prospect to get a known quan y, I think you do it.
With that said, I take JamStone's word that Dumars isn't looking to blow things up as instructive about what the Pistons are looking for and remain convinced that the Spurs will be hard-pressed to put together a package that would net them Wallace.
You are right, they would be at 57 million payroll at that point. Which is still a win for the Spurs. As of now, they would be a 70 million next year.
Defeated Western Conference division leaders Spurs, Nuggets, and Lakers all on the road. Already beat the Cavaliers and Magic this year as well.
I don't think the Pistons will do much in the playoffs, but they certainly have the talent to surprise more than most of you suggest. They cannot beat Boston. But, in a 7 game series against Orlando and even Cleveland, they still could upset either one.
As a fan, I don't want Dumars to trade Rasheed for junk. I like Rasheed. I've been a fan of his since before he became a Piston. Unless it's a deal that brings back a star player that can help the Pistons now and in the future, I don't want Rasheed dealt either. I won't feel slighted in the least bit if Rasheed isn't traded but still walks this summer. That has been a possibility all season, and I'm fine with that.I am sure Piston fans will feel slighted if this team packs it in, gets bounced in the first round and Dumars did nothing to get any value for Rasheed knowing so.
You're wrong. Sheed's contract expires THIS summer.
http://www.sportscity.com/NBA/Detroit-Pistons-Salaries
Which means whether he stays put or is shipped out, the Spurs will be able to go after him this summer. Especially if Sheed is willing to play for a contender - and he seems serious about doing so.
The Spurs have invested 3 years in Ian. I'm not saying he's the second coming of David Robinson, but right now you don't what he is. If he recovers fine, he is expected to be part of the rotation next year.
My point is that it's not that easy to find 6'11", athletic big men with his kind of gifted ability. The Spurs cannot afford to keep mortgaging the future for the here and now. You do not trade him under any cir stances, until you know what you've got. Especially when the veteran big they want (Sheed) can likely be had this summer - for nothing.
The point is to get value if you trade something of value. What's been suggested in this thread isn't of value. So, it's better to stand pat then trade something of value for things you don't value.
Makes a lot of sense.
LMAO. Spurs fans talking about Mahinmi like he's actually done something.
Worse case for Dumars if he doesn't get someone like Amare for Sheed or AI now, he waits until this summer. Then he has the option of using Bird rights to re-sign Sheed and AI and play the game against next year - all while staying very compe ive which means playoff revenue.
And if he's handing out a dontation, he at least is going to want a 1st round pick back from a likely lotto team.
Sheed would make the Spurs dangerous but the earliest that will be possible is next season if they get him for the MLE in FA.
isn't of value now but do you really think that Mahinmi, Splitter, a draft pick and money isn't of value?
Gotta sell tickets. Got got to entertain the people. And I suppose you take a chance that your group can catch lightning in a bottle, catch a break, and give themselves a chance to be there in the latter rounds of the playoffs.
I can see why Dumars isn't fully ready to cut-and-run with this team and why he'd be reluctant to take back scraps for a guy who might actually give his club and chance to reach Round 2, depending on seeding. At this point, Detroit would be the 5-seed playing a first round series against Atlanta -- and they're only 1 back in the loss column to the Hawks. With Rasheed, I think the Pistons could win that series and get into Round 2. They'd run into Boston or Cleveland at that point, but from a purely business standpoint, they'd get a couple of extra home games in that scenario, which isn't anything to scoff at. And you just never know -- God forbid that it happen, but if something were to happen to Lebron, the Pistons (in that scenario) might find themselves right back in the Conference Finals again.
It's an overly optimistic picture I'm painting, of course; but none of that is possible (I think) if they deal Wallace.
Mahinmi - who has done what in his professional career either than be tall?
Splitter - who may never come to the NBA.
A draft pick guaranteed to be one of the last 5-6 picks of the 1st round.
Money - Spurs don't often send out money in any trade - can't see Holt handing out $3mil.
Little value compared to what Dumars would want in return.
First of all, the Spurs don't even have a first round pick this summer and even if they did, it's basically a second rounder because it would be late first round.
Splitter is of little value in the immediate future because he may never play in the NBA. Didn't he sign a three year contract this past summer?
Mahinmi is all potential. The Pistons have dealt with potential with Darko and now Amir Johnson. It doesn't exactly excite the crotch area.
Sorry, compared to what Dumars is looking for in return, it's very little value.
That is what I said, I said his contracts comes off the books THIS NEXT YEAR. Meaning after this season. It takes the Spurs from 70 million in payroll, down to 57 million in payroll and you get a chance to win this year and you can resign him cheap next year as well. Then it gives you more wiggle room for 2010.
My point exactly. Sheed would make the Spurs extremely dangerous. However, if you think the Spurs will be taking on his $13,930,000 this year - you're nuts. The Spurs will find a more economical way to acquire him. That means, getting him in FA over the summer.
For the record, no one is acting like Ian is Bill Russell. Fact is, no one knows what he is yet. Spurs have invested 3 years in him. They need to evaluate what he is before they ship him out. Anyway, he'll be difficult to include in any trade scenario because he's injured.
The issue of Splitter not playing in the NBA revolved around his sister. Sadly, she has passed away but the reality is Splitter may be more likely to play in the NBA now. As a result I would rather keep him than make him part of any trade.
Here's the thing. It's one thing to break up the team and start rebuilding for the future.
What a lot of Spurs fans in this thread are suggesting is that Dumars gift-wrap Rasheed and Pau-Gasol him to the Spurs. Dumars may respect Pop and RC and the Spurs. But, he's not Jerry-Westing Rasheed. What the Spurs have to offer, more relevantly willing to offer, is not something that is going to push Dumars into trading Rasheed to the Spurs. It's just not. That's the big bottomline. That's the point. The Spurs don't have much to offer to consumate a deal for Rasheed.
dont the spurs have 3 2nd round picks?
Just to continue to be the Devil's Advocate on every position in this thread, I think the question for Detroit is: What amounts to value? If the Pistons value capspace above all else, the Spurs could put together a deal that could maintain that while giving the Pistons a player (Hill, Mahinmi, Splitter, for instance). In that scenario, the Pistons get value insofar as they get to keep the capspace they covet while also getting a young player instead of nothing for Rasheed when he departs. Of course, that depends on the Pistons deciding that the young players the Spurs could offer would actually have value -- and as I've said, I'd agree that the pickings in SA in that regard are fairly slim.
If Detroit decides to ship out Sheed, I don't think Dumars does that without ensuring his capspace for 2010 and that likely means that the talent target in that deal from his standpoint is going to be a minor, younger player. Otherwise, it becomes very difficult to make any move to deal Rasheed.
And that was just from the Spurs POV.
If Dumars wanted to give Sheed away, he'd deal him to a sure lotto team for a young prospect back who actually has played in the NBA.
As for next summer, Spurs just have to hope Detroit doesn't use him in a S&T or re-sign him. If he's offerred $10 mil for 1 year, he takes that over MLE for multiple.
Bingo. , even LA had more to offer in a large last year contract and a big man who was NBA ready (Marc Gasol).
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