Rasheed Wallace on the Spurs?

[JamStone]

With how crappy of a job hes done in the last couple years, I'd say he should be.

Last couple of years? This year isn't over, and last year the Pistons made it as far as the Spurs did. Should RC and Pop be worried as well?

Come on. You sound a tad bit over-the-top. Simmer down already.

[xellos88330]

The worst thing for NBA fans is the waiting until the trade deadline. I want to know what happens already!!!

[MarHill]

Here's the thing. It's one thing to break up the team and start rebuilding for the future.

What a lot of Spurs fans in this thread are suggesting is that Dumars gift-wrap Rasheed and Pau-Gasol him to the Spurs. Dumars may respect Pop and RC and the Spurs. But, he's not Jerry-Westing Rasheed. What the Spurs have to offer, more relevantly willing to offer, is not something that is going to push Dumars into trading Rasheed to the Spurs. It's just not. That's the big bottomline. That's the point. The Spurs don't have much to offer to consumate a deal for Rasheed.

JamStone,

I agree with you and a lot of Spurs fans seem think trades are so easy. You have to give up something in return to get something valuable from another team.

No shrewd GM is going to take someone else's lesser players for one of their best players just because they have respect for the people from that organization. It's a business and a trade has to have something for both teams.

I know a lot of Spurs fans point to the Gasol trade to the Lakers last season. Well...those type of trades are rare and Memphis was a losing franchise that needed cap relief and money.

I'm a Spurs fan and even though I would like if Rasheed came to San Antonio (and yes I would still have my reservations because he's an enigma!) I don't see a realistic scenario unless Joe Dumars decides to give him away or a third team becomes involved.

[xtremesteven33]

Sheed is coming here anyways next year.

I dont see why Joe wouldnt at least dig into our barrell of monkeys and pull some out.

[Zarko's Ghost]

17 pages? really? I think a Sheed and Duncan frontcourt would be an incredibly dangerous combo, and can appreciate Spur fans getting excited on the idea of it. But at some point reality has to set in. The Spurs do not have the pieces to make any sort of trade happen. It's very likely that every other team out there is in a better position to make a move for Sheed than the Spurs are.

Wait till the offseason, and then you've got a good chance of signing him to a deal.

This doesn't make sense to me. If you concede that Sheed is likely to walk away from Detroit in the offseason, why would Detroit hang on to him? Mahinmi and draft picks may not be much, but it is better than nothing.

[EricB]

How in any way, shape, or form has he done crappy? Have you seen how consistent the are?

Uh... Trading Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson?

Letting go Flip Saunders for Michael Freaking Curry?

You want to tell me those moves are winners?

[bigdog]

This doesn't make sense to me. If you concede that Sheed is likely to walk away from Detroit in the offseason, why would Detroit hang on to him? Mahinmi and draft picks may not be much, but it is better than nothing.

the cap space that Rasheed could create after this season for the Pistons could get them better than what the Spurs have to offer.

[EricB]

Last couple of years? This year isn't over, and last year the Pistons made it as far as the Spurs did. Should RC and Pop be worried as well?

Come on. You sound a tad bit over-the-top. Simmer down already.

Seeing as RC and Pop have 3 rings in the past 5, and the Pistons only 1, and can't get out of the conference Finals, I'd say theres QUITE a bit of difference.

I'm not over the top, I think the Iverson trade was a complete cluster , and I think letting go Saunders while an idiot, for an even bigger idiot in Micahel Curry is an even WORSE move.

[EricB]

the cap space that Rasheed could create after this season for the Pistons could get them better than what the Spurs have to offer.

They would get no cap space next year.

Not till 2010.

[JamStone]

Seeing as RC and Pop have 3 rings in the past 5, and the Pistons only 1, and can't get out of the conference Finals, I'd say theres QUITE a bit of difference.

I'm not over the top, I think the Iverson trade was a complete cluster , and I think letting go Saunders while an idiot, for an even bigger idiot in Micahel Curry is an even WORSE move.

Seeing how there are about 25 or so teams in the league that can't even get to a conference finals, much less 6 in a row, I'd say you really are over-the-top.

The Iverson trade definitely hasn't worked on the court. But, you'd be completely naive to think that it was the only reason the trade was made. Yes, the basketball part hasn't worked out, but the cap space remains a big part of why the trade went down. I agree Curry was a bad hire, as would most Pistons fans. Unfortunately, there aren't many better options. It's not like Pop is going to leave the Spurs to coach the Pistons.

[DAF86]

the cap space that Rasheed could create after this season for the Pistons could get them better than what the Spurs have to offer.

What you're missing to realize is that the Spurs have enough expiring contracts (counting Horrys) to still provide that cap space to the Pistons while getting them some interesting extra assets like Mahinmi, Splitter, a draft pick and some cash.

[JamStone]

They would get no cap space next year.

Not till 2010.

As it stands right now, the Pistons have about $20 million in cap space this summer, and will have about $30 million in 2010. That's as it stands now before any moves are made, draft pick signings, trades or free agent signings.

[JamStone]

This doesn't make sense to me. If you concede that Sheed is likely to walk away from Detroit in the offseason, why would Detroit hang on to him? Mahinmi and draft picks may not be much, but it is better than nothing.

Because Dumars is not conceding the season.

The Pistons have enough talent to challenge any team in the East except for Boston. If they can avoid Boston, the Pistons can still conceivably beat either Orlando or Cleveland in a 7 game series. Not likely, certainly not guaranteed, but it's possible. If that happens and the Pistons find themselves in the Finals, anything can happen.

Look, I understand that it won't happen. But, that's the way Dumars is approaching it. Call it delusional. That's fine. In the Eastern Conference, where there are three great teams and the rest are also-rans, the Pistons are going to make the playoffs. And, they still have the talent to challenge. And, look at Jameer Nelson done for the season and Cleveland has had four key injuries already. Dumars is not giving up on the season and having a whole-sale on his roster.

Dumars is content with keeping the team as is and seeing what they can do in the playoffs, and ultimately letting Rasheed walk. That's what some of you still aren't getting. He's not giving up Rasheed unless he gets something in return that he feels helps the team right now. He doesn't want just expiring contracts and future draft picks and rights to players. He wants player/s in return that can help the team.

You can all you want on how stupid Dumars is to take that approach, but that's the approach he has. Rasheed is not available for role players, bench reserves, prospects, and future draft picks.

[JamStone]

Sheed is coming here anyways next year.

I dont see why Joe wouldnt at least dig into our barrell of monkeys and pull some out.

Don't want dead monkeys.

If the Spurs had some gorillas to offer, then it would be possible.

Wait for the summer, and the Spurs have a great chance to land Rasheed.

[DrHouse]

Because Dumars is not conceding the season.

The Pistons have enough talent to challenge any team in the East except for Boston. If they can avoid Boston, the Pistons can still conceivably beat either Orlando or Cleveland in a 7 game series. Not likely, certainly not guaranteed, but it's possible. If that happens and the Pistons find themselves in the Finals, anything can happen.

Look, I understand that it won't happen. But, that's the way Dumars is approaching it. Call it delusional. That's fine. In the Eastern Conference, where there are three great teams and the rest are also-rans, the Pistons are going to make the playoffs. And, they still have the talent to challenge. And, look at Jameer Nelson done for the season and Cleveland has had four key injuries already. Dumars is not giving up on the season and having a whole-sale on his roster.

Dumars is content with keeping the team as is and seeing what they can do in the playoffs, and ultimately letting Rasheed walk. That's what some of you still aren't getting. He's not giving up Rasheed unless he gets something in return that he feels helps the team right now. He doesn't want just expiring contracts and future draft picks and rights to players. He wants player/s in return that can help the team.

You can all you want on how stupid Dumars is to take that approach, but that's the approach he has. Rasheed is not available for role players, bench reserves, prospects, and future draft picks.

People also need to consider the business aspect of all of this.

Playoff revenue.

[xtremesteven33]

Don't want dead monkeys.

If the Spurs had some gorillas to offer, then it would be possible.

Wait for the summer, and the Spurs have a great chance to land Rasheed.

Yea im sure theyll be getting back a great player for Sheed..

[MarHill]

Because Dumars is not conceding the season.

The Pistons have enough talent to challenge any team in the East except for Boston. If they can avoid Boston, the Pistons can still conceivably beat either Orlando or Cleveland in a 7 game series. Not likely, certainly not guaranteed, but it's possible. If that happens and the Pistons find themselves in the Finals, anything can happen.

Look, I understand that it won't happen. But, that's the way Dumars is approaching it. Call it delusional. That's fine. In the Eastern Conference, where there are three great teams and the rest are also-rans, the Pistons are going to make the playoffs. And, they still have the talent to challenge. And, look at Jameer Nelson done for the season and Cleveland has had four key injuries already. Dumars is not giving up on the season and having a whole-sale on his roster.

Dumars is content with keeping the team as is and seeing what they can do in the playoffs, and ultimately letting Rasheed walk. That's what some of you still aren't getting. He's not giving up Rasheed unless he gets something in return that he feels helps the team right now. He doesn't want just expiring contracts and future draft picks and rights to players. He wants player/s in return that can help the team.

You can all you want on how stupid Dumars is to take that approach, but that's the approach he has. Rasheed is not available for role players, bench reserves, prospects, and future draft picks.

Jamstone,

I agree with you again. I know that doesn't make a great post.

But we have 17 or 18 pages on this topic and as a Spurs fan I don't see a realistic scenario happening without a third team involved. And that's iffy at the best.

Teams are not going to trade something value just to help the Spurs. I would like that a lot....but it's fantasyland as of now!!

[ss1986v2]

Yea im sure theyll be getting back a great player for Sheed..

then they wont trade him. i dont know what so hard to get about this...

[MarHill]

People also need to consider the business aspect of all of this.

Playoff revenue.

Unfortunately, a lot of Spurs fans are forgetting that!

In the quest to beat the Lakers.......they are taking something that has a skin of possibility beyond realisitic purposes.

[xtremesteven33]

Guess who we play on the trade deadline?

[spursreport]

It'd be nice if Dumars could do a favor for us. After all we did let his one hit wonder team have their fame in 2004 before taking it back in 2005. Then again getting your heart broken 81-74 game 7 of the 2005 finals is more than enough reason to believe why he wont help us. Understandable too.

[SenorSpur]

Guess who we play on the trade deadline?

Oh, the delicious drama! There will be a lot to talk about that day.