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Cuban will never admit his failed Kidd trade.
As for the "future", there is no future once Dirk decides to check out. And that will be before 2010 b/c this team is only getting worse and worse. No big name is coming to Dallas in 2010.
I agree that the Mavs should make a trade, but they can get a better one than this..if it was a great trade like you guys are saying, why wouldn't they do it? Cuban obviously doesn't want to lose, he has passion for winning..
I can't imagine what you guys would be saying in 2012, when Baron Davis contract is still on the books..
Cuban will never admit his failed Kidd trade.
As for the "future", there is no future once Dirk decides to check out. And that will be before 2010 b/c this team is only getting worse and worse. No big name is coming to Dallas in 2010.
Shaq, Nowitzki, Howard, Terry i think=game over for the rest of the league.
it doesnt really make sense why the Suns would want Kidd and then just waive him and be left with nothing though.....
The Mavs FO think they can only make some minor upgrades to be contenders while also being players for 2010. That's ing delusional. The team, with Dirk in his prime RIGHT NOW, needs MAJOR upgrades, which may mean taking back some bad contracts. Right now Kidd is giving you 8/9 (oh I forgot the "intangibles"). Whoop-dee- ing-doo. Yeah I like him as a player, but he is not a fit for this team.
If they want to win now, they need to make a major gamble (maybe not this trade, but a trade of this magnitude). If they are worried about their future, then start playing Gerald Green 48 minutes and rest Dirk with an ankle injury until they can sign this elusive big name FA that is just dying to come to Dallas.
cuban must be poor if he wouldnt accept that. or carlisle said no to those 2 players
Yeah Kidd isn't a fit, and two talented guys for one is an upgrade. And if it doesn't work out, we have 2 more trading pieces to bring someone else in this offseason and try something else. We have nothing to lose, in a couple years its all over with anyways. Might as well try something
http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/showth...t=34729&page=2
To quote someone on dallas-mavs.com,
"On the Staying or Going session on EPSN about 5 minutes ago, Rick Bucher said the clippers offered Baron back to GSW for Mags.
They also offered Kamen + Baron to Dallas for Jkidd, but no one wants to take back that contract, is what they were saying.
Hopefully Dallas is going to take this deal, but are just waiting to see if the Clippers are going to fold and offer a 1st rounder as well. (Maybe Camby instead? who knows.)"
So I knew I wasn't crazy, this definately did happen. I wonder why there is no more mention of it
Maybe it's in the works and Cuban just declined it, because he doesn't want to have rumors until it's done? Who knows? Let's wait for 9 days more, then we all know.
No one is gonna take the Baron Davis bloated contract. You will have better luck trading Gilbert Arenas
That's what i'm thinking too. Who would want to take on Baron's contract?
Also, who knows about Kamans foot?
BTW, I think Kidd has been playing great for Dallas. I would love to keep him here.
I think the Mavs are trying to trade J. Howard, Stack, and maybe Damp.
Think of it this way: Davis is an injury-prone locker room lawyer. Kaman has been battling foot injuries for the past year. They have long, bloated contracts that run well past 2010.
The Mavs have slipped from elite to mediocre. They have to either make one more attempt to reload with Dirk, or they blow it up. They're not going to trade Dirk and blow it up in this economy. They need to draw well. You don't do the first offer you get, certainly not when these guys are available for a reason.
Kidd is not playing well and has not been ever since he was traded, people who still defend the trade baffle me. Just check the record since the trade, it barely floats above .500
Point is Kidd can't score, he is barely average in the halfcourt, and this season even his man to man defense has fallen off considerably. Some nice hustle plays and fastbreak passes don't make up for it.
Harris was a better player for this team LAST YEAR, cause this one it's not even worth discussing.
If this is true, I'm not terribly upset.
I'm not sure if Davis and Kaman would even make us elite. People are overrating these players, and people on here don't watch Clippers games. And even if they do, whens the last ing time Chris Kaman and Baron Davis played a game together?
Neither of them are that good.
Keep in mind this is expensive and risky as , and doesn't guarantee anything. Id still take the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series over us, with Baron and Kaman. If this move doesn't guarantee a le (it clearly doesn't), then why the spend loads of $? Just to squeak out a playoff series win?
It's easy for us to call it stupid when its not our $ on the line.
I think people have a misconception that Baron Davis is actually good. The guy is , except for one fluke 2007 series against the Mavs.
Also, for the people who say Cuban is stupid for this. NOT doing this deal is probably the most fiscally responsible route. How much stupider would he look in 2 years with Davis and Camby eating his money while sitting on the sidelines?
I can't be upset at our beloved Cuban considering the risks and expenses involved with these 2 players.
wow, great post from Ghazi..did I really just type that?..
You're selling Kidd short, big time.
If I could redo the trade I would, but Im not gonna pretend the Mavs would be elite this year just because they had Devin Harris.
Kidd's scoring is moot, if we were a good defensive team I would buy it, but defense is the #1 achilles heel this year. Quite frankly this team either forgot how to play defense, lost a step with age, or doesn't feel like playing defense. Kidd's on the ball defense is a problem, but we've been atrocious with perimeter defense for years, so I'm not gonna attribute it to him alone.
It starts with defense my friends. Look at all the past champions, the common denominator has usually been very good defensive efficiency. We're the 16th ranked defense in the league right now. Anyone actually believe HARRIS would make us an elite defensive team?
Harris has actually been a below average defender for the Nets this year as well..probably due to lack of effort though, since he's their 1st/2nd option..
I find Kidd to still be a good defender, but only against SGs..he isn't quick enough to stay with PGs..I've been impressed whenever he guards 2s though..
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Our beloved Kidd hsa been fine this year.
It's the team defense that's a problem.
If we were playing defense at the level we were 2 years ago, ceteris paribus, we'd be right there with the Spurs right now.
Or if we were playing defense the way we were last year (good, not great), we'd have 2-3 more wins.
But now our defense is just average.
I wrote a week or two ago about how the Mavs didn't get significantly worse after the Kidd trade last year (although reflective in the record), they just started having bad luck in close games and Dirk missed 5 games himself. I still stand by that opinion.
For people on the outside, the media, fans who dont watch the games, etc... you see the 35-18 record before Kidd trade and 16-13 after last year and assume Kidd was a reason the team got much worse... it didnt exactly work like that IMO.
This year of course its the defense. its why Kidd, Terry, and Dirk are putting up relatively good numbers, but its not showing up in W/L column.
Again, the BIGGEST issues with the Kidd trade are 1. it was probably a lateral move 2. draft picks sacrificed 3. Kidd is 10 years older than Harris.
But as far as on the court performance, the Mavs didn't get much worse last year. Now they are not as good this year, but there's no way to determine we'd be much better with Harris.
B Davis isn't the point of their package, what we want most is kaman who is a great center than can make our team more balanced, dampier is not capable enough to keep his role on this great team. I have always been expecting the German combination of Dirk and Kaman in our paint, but cuban or his employees have declined that trade... Kidd is a good player and his contract is expiring, taking B Davis's garbage contract is really a gamble for our team but... our team could have landed a good center.
Taking on 2 long term contract on 2 injury prone players is ridiculous. I can see taking on Kaman but B. Diddy too? No, thanks. Ill take J kidd's 40 % bc he doesnt shoot a ton of shots but a 38% chucker will kill your team
A motivated Davis is very dangerous on the court..problem is, he isnt playing for a contract for another 5 years
try a jump shooting PG who shoots tons of off balance shots that only went in against the Mavs and in a contract year
He has the potential to do it, doesn't mean he would. It'd definitely be a risk. But Baron Davis on the Hornets was one of a slashing PG
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