Mavs Decline Baron Davis/Kaman for Kidd

[monosylab1k]

If this is true, I'm not terribly upset.

I'm not sure if Davis and Kaman would even make us elite. People are overrating these players, and people on here don't watch Clippers games. And even if they do, whens the last ing time Chris Kaman and Baron Davis played a game together?

Neither of them are that good.

Keep in mind this is expensive and risky as , and doesn't guarantee anything. Id still take the Lakers or Spurs in a 7 game series over us, with Baron and Kaman. If this move doesn't guarantee a le (it clearly doesn't), then why the spend loads of $? Just to squeak out a playoff series win?

It's easy for us to call it stupid when its not our $ on the line.

I think people have a misconception that Baron Davis is actually good. The guy is , except for one fluke 2007 series against the Mavs.

Also, for the people who say Cuban is stupid for this. NOT doing this deal is probably the most fiscally responsible route. How much stupider would he look in 2 years with Davis and Camby eating his money while sitting on the sidelines?

I can't be upset at our beloved Cuban considering the risks and expenses involved with these 2 players.

we love our team.

Think of it this way: Davis is an injury-prone locker room lawyer. Kaman has been battling foot injuries for the past year. They have long, bloated contracts that run well past 2010.

The Mavs have slipped from elite to mediocre. They have to either make one more attempt to reload with Dirk, or they blow it up. They're not going to trade Dirk and blow it up in this economy. They need to draw well. You don't do the first offer you get, certainly not when these guys are available for a reason.

we love our team.

Taking on 2 long term contract on 2 injury prone players is ridiculous. I can see taking on Kaman but B. Diddy too? No, thanks. Ill take J kidd's 40 % bc he doesnt shoot a ton of shots but a 38% chucker will kill your team

A motivated Davis is very dangerous on the court..problem is, he isnt playing for a contract for another 5 years

try a jump shooting PG who shoots tons of off balance shots that only went in against the Mavs and in a contract year

we love our team.

[Findog]

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[Findog]

I hate mono's avatar btw.

[monosylab1k]

Harris has actually been a below average defender for the Nets this year as well..probably due to lack of effort though, since he's their 1st/2nd option..

When has Harris ever been a good defender? He drew alot of charges with solid flopping skills, but come playoff time he got curbstomped by D-Wade and Baron Davis.

[BlackSwordsMan]

we love our team!

4 WE LOVE OUR TEAMS GOT

[Indazone]

Holy Crap! Baron Davis alone is better than Kidd. Let alone throw in Chris Kaman who is better than that cesspool the Mavs have at Center. That woulda been an instant upgrade for the Mavs.

More Cuban stupidity!

[monosylab1k]

Kidd is not playing well and has not been ever since he was traded, people who still defend the trade baffle me. Just check the record since the trade, it barely floats above .500

Point is Kidd can't score, he is barely average in the halfcourt, and this season even his man to man defense has fallen off considerably. Some nice hustle plays and fastbreak passes don't make up for it.

Harris was a better player for this team LAST YEAR, cause this one it's not even worth discussing.

wow, such blind hatred for Kidd. The guy is playing very well, and the offense gets completely out of sync when he's not playing.

He had a freakin +/- of +39 tonight!

[Findog]

Anybody who says Kidd is not doing his part is not paying attention.

[monosylab1k]

Anybody who says Kidd is not doing his part is not paying attention.

Kidd has been huge for the team this year, and without Kidd, this team's record is probably closer to Minnesota's record and the lottery. They've been a very very bad team without Jason Kidd on the floor. Only a blind Kidd hater can say he hasn't been valuable to this thing. He's been just as valuable as Dirk and Terry have been.

With that said, trading Kidd for Baron/Kaman is still a no-brainer.

[Ghazi]

Kidd has been huge for the team this year, and without Kidd, this team's record is probably closer to Minnesota's record and the lottery. They've been a very very bad team without Jason Kidd on the floor. Only a blind Kidd hater can say he hasn't been valuable to this thing. He's been just as valuable as Dirk and Terry have been.

We love our team

[monosylab1k]

[Ghazi]

Our beloved Kidd has been more than fine for us. There's no rule that a PG needs to slash to be effective, the Fakeshow might win it all this year with Derrick frickin Fisher as PG.

You want some slashing go find an explosive wing or a legitimate SG (ANTOINE MUTHA IN WRIGHT!).

We love our beloved Devin, but I get a sense he's become grossly overrated by a few Mavs fans (and non-Mavs fans) ever since his departure. All hes doing in NJ is putting up stats in a system centered around him, big ing whoop. He's a rich man's Allen Iverson.

I'm not implying we're better off without Devin, I'm just saying that our beloved Mavs have a lot of flaws, but PG play isn't one of them.

Kidd's the 2nd best player on our team IMO.

[endrity]

Yes, he had a great game. Actually Kidd owns the bad teams, he probably has the biggest variation in performance between games against good teams and bad teams. I have said this before, but against not well organized teams, he can pick them apart, make the plays that still set him appart and all.

It's against organized teams, that don't turn the ball over, that know how to turn him into a liability that we miss him. It's not a surprise that the mavs used to win a lot of close games with Harris against good teams and now they lose those games. Harris' ability to make something out of broken plays was key against good teams which force you out of options a and b on a play. That is Kidd's biggest weakness. At his peak Kidd was very underrated athletically, he could get to the basket with speed and power so his weak shooting never was a big problem, but it is now.

And on defense he used to be a monster, complete shutdown kind of player. Now he gets killed by quicker guards.

That's the problem I have with him. Yes he is still the most intelligent player out there, but his limitations are clear.

[024]

the same baron davis that torched the mavs in 2006? davis does suck this year and would probably prefer to stay in LA so he can make his movies. kaman on the other hand, is exactly who the mavs need - a low post scorer. dirk settles a lot on fade away jump shots and dampier doesn't accomplish much. davis and kaman at full strength would put them at the top. cuban must be very confident in finding someone next year because if he doesn't, he just wasted dirk's prime.

[iggypop123]

our beloved... enough of this already

[Ghazi]

So I just looked at the Clipshow stats... Davis has missed 14 games this year and is shooting a magnificent 35% in the other 38.

Kaman has missed 37 games this year, and missed 27 games last year.

This + their fat contracts, what's the fascination with these guys? You think we gonna hit a home run with Baron mother in Davis and Chris Kaman? Davis has done nothing except for a fluke series where he hit bull horse shots. I haven't watched much of Kaman to be honest, but 64 games missed in 2 years gives me a softie.

[endrity]

the same baron davis that torched the mavs in 2006? davis does suck this year and would probably prefer to stay in LA so he can make his movies. kaman on the other hand, is exactly who the mavs need - a low post scorer. dirk settles a lot on fade away jump shots and dampier doesn't accomplish much. davis and kaman at full strength would put them at the top. cuban must be very confident in finding someone next year because if he doesn't, he just wasted dirk's prime.

Well that's what the Clippers were thinking as well, and there is a reason they are on the trade block.

[endrity]

our beloved... enough of this already

I cosign on that, I have started to hate it.

[Brickhouse]

The Kidd trade was made with the "win now" mentality, so yes, in that regards, it was a major fail. The Mavs are in a worse position than they were and next year they have to make the playoffs b/c of their pick to NJ. What are you going to do with Kidd after another failed season? Give him an extension? Let him sign for cheap to the Lakers or Cavs? Is JJ going to be our PG of the future?

Yes Kidd has been good this season. But if you can get upgrades for him, you absolutely do that. Now if Kaman has major health concerns, then you don't do this deal. But let's stop with the bull about wanting a trade but when every scenario comes around, it's always "oh eh not worth it blahblahblah". Newsflash: there are no brainer deals out there. No team is going to give their impact players for our . Winning now means taking a gamble one more time b/c the last one didn't work out.

[Ghazi]

the same baron davis that torched the mavs in 2006? davis does suck this year and would probably prefer to stay in LA so he can make his movies. kaman on the other hand, is exactly who the mavs need - a low post scorer. dirk settles a lot on fade away jump shots and dampier doesn't accomplish much. davis and kaman at full strength would put them at the top. cuban must be very confident in finding someone next year because if he doesn't, he just wasted dirk's prime.

What the does "wasted" prime mean? Dirk was on a 60 win team at age 27 (should've won it all if not for BS shots and whistles), won an MVP and 67 games the year later (should've won it all if not for fluke bull shots), and was on a 51 win team last year. Is every great player SUPPOSED to be on a contending team? There's only 3-4 contenders every year, but there's 10-15 truly "great" players in the league.

[endrity]

The Kidd trade was made with the "win now" mentality, so yes, in that regards, it was a major fail. The Mavs are in a worse position than they were and next year they have to make the playoffs b/c of their pick to NJ. What are you going to do with Kidd after another failed season? Give him an extension? Let him sign for cheap to the Lakers or Cavs? Is JJ going to be our PG of the future?

Yes Kidd has been good this season. But if you can get upgrades for him, you absolutely do that. Now if Kaman has major health concerns, then you don't do this deal. But let's stop with the bull about wanting a trade but when every scenario comes around, it's always "oh eh not worth it blahblahblah". Newsflash: there are no brainer deals out there. No team is going to give their impact players for our . Winning now means taking a gamble one more time b/c the last one didn't work out.

It also means Cuban has to take another huge financial loss, and in this time I don't think he wants to do that unless he is sure about the deal. But yes, the Kidd trade shortened the window with Dirk, so you either make another deal to give the Mavs another chance with Kidd or just blow it up and stop paying luxury tax on a failed team.

[endrity]

What the does "wasted" prime mean? Dirk was on a 60 win team at age 27 (should've won it all if not for BS shots and whistles), won an MVP and 67 games the year later (should've won it all if not for fluke bull shots), and was on a 51 win team last year. Is every great player SUPPOSED to be on a contending team? There's only 3-4 contenders every year, but there's 10-15 truly "great" players in the league.

Please stop it!!!!

[Ghazi]

Yes, he had a great game. Actually Kidd owns the bad teams, he probably has the biggest variation in performance between games against good teams and bad teams. I have said this before, but against not well organized teams, he can pick them apart, make the plays that still set him appart and all.

It's against organized teams, that don't turn the ball over, that know how to turn him into a liability that we miss him. It's not a surprise that the mavs used to win a lot of close games with Harris against good teams and now they lose those games. Harris' ability to make something out of broken plays was key against good teams which force you out of options a and b on a play. That is Kidd's biggest weakness. At his peak Kidd was very underrated athletically, he could get to the basket with speed and power so his weak shooting never was a big problem, but it is now.

And on defense he used to be a monster, complete shutdown kind of player. Now he gets killed by quicker guards.

That's the problem I have with him. Yes he is still the most intelligent player out there, but his limitations are clear.

Kidd's had triple doubles against the Spurs and Lakers this year.

Kidd was great in both games against the Lakers

Kidd was great against the Magic and Blazers earlier this week.

Kidd's truly bad games are the ones where he just flat out can't put the ball in the bucket... the 1-8 games, 2-8, etc... he's done that against good and bad teams alike. Or those 4-5 TO games.

He can usually help us in other areas, but we're not talented enough to get away with him shooting like that.

For the most part, he's been pretty good lately, the last truly atrocious game Kidd had was against New Orleans.

Keep in mind 7 of our losses this year are by 19+, I have a hard time blaming those kind of losses on any 1 player. we need to learn how to play at least adequate defense (doubt we're capable of it, it is what it is )

[Obstructed_View]

Anybody who says Kidd is not doing his part is not paying attention.

Very true. He's also been the team's best clutch player. If the trade had been Harris for Kidd straight up, it'd be really hard to make a case that it wasn't exactly the short-term upgrade they were looking for in the first place.

[endrity]

Well we would probably lose against the Lakers anyway because we just can't contain Bryant with Kidd or Harris, but he is probably the single biggest reason why we have lost the edge we had against the Spurs. They had no answer for Harris, and he tormented Parker like no one in this league.

He has been attrocious this year and last against the Celtics as well. And of course let's not forget NO and Utah this easily, I know CP3 and Deron are probably the best PGs in the league, but they simply dominate him every time, no only do they score with the greatest of ease, but they dictate tempo so much better than Kidd does (and that is supposed to be his area of dominance).

Look I enjoy watching Kidd, I don't think we would be elite with Harris either, but he has clear limitations against good teams and he doesn't have enough to push us beyond good teams. In the 4th quarter all we can run is the Jet and Dirk pick and roll, we have no offense outside of that. It's just that simple, and yet I will still cheer when he makes some amazing fast break pass that no one expects.