I don't want to take this off on any tangent away from TH - but KSU is actually a very strong basketball school traditionally. Now, it's clearly not in UNC's class, and past 15 years have been more bad than good - which I believe makes the rest of your post very valid.
I saw him yesterday at Duke. This guy is really smart, play some D, have mid range jump shoot. He is fully develop. I don`t know why he is in late 1 round. It isn`t Red `s type player, who is undersize for NBA. This guy is tall enough. He is athletic. If only Spurs had this 1 round pick, I think Pop would go after him.
you're also playing or studying in Duke? or saw him on television?
Don't get me wrong, Hansbrough is a great player. Unfortunately, I believe that he is a great college player. Christian Laettner comes to mind when the discussion comes to Hansbrough. One of the best college basketball players to ever play and yet never became the superstar in the NBA as many had projected. Not to say that Hansbrough cannot accomplish such a feat, but I would be hard-pressed to say he will ever be an all-star in the pros.
If I had to guess what his game will be like in the NBA I would say that he would be a hustle-type player such as Chuck Hayes on the Houston Rockets only with more size and a more polished inside presence on the offensive end. Expect him to earn p.t. by grabbing rebounds and taking charges. The "dirty work" per se.
That's a fair assessment. And since no one would draft Chuck Hayes in the 1st round any team that takes Hansbrough in the 1st would be making a mistake.
I suppose. Then again you never know. I'm just concerned that the media hype has embellished his actual level of talent.
I guarantee the media hype has embellished his actual level of talelnt. But that's what happens when you play for North Carolina. He's a great college player, but sometimes great college players just don't have skill sets that are going to transfer to the NBA game.
And there's nothing wrong with that at all as long as the player is willing to accept that and recognize that he will have a new role with his NBA team that is completely different. If he does that, I could see him having a modest career of being a role player.
The list of good WHITE college players who failed or were marginal in the NBA is long and storied.
I emphasize WHITE players because I think good white college players who often bring hustle and good basketball IQ, but less in the way of athleticism and skills to their teams get more props than they are due by sportswriters and TV commentators and wind up as unjustified high draft choices.
Whether this is because they are unconsciously racially biased or just think the unjustified props will help promote a well-known college program or simply sell more newspapers or TV watchers is beyond me. Then GMs may feel pressured by public opinion to draft these players way higher than justified by their physical assets or skills.
When it comes to the pros, while its nice to have hustle and IQ, the place on the court usually goes to the swift, the athletic, the tall, and the more talented skill set. Not always, mind you, but that's the way to draft and bet.
or he'll be a first rounder, just like David Lee, and there will be another GM who gets at least some credit for picking talent at the end of 1st round, when most other teams passed and picked raw athletes instead, because they were afraid of picking another great college player, who might fail in the NBA.
who knows.
i would be absolutely shocked if hansbrough has anywhere near an NBA career as good as laettner's.
I don't know why everyone say's this. Dude is listed at 6-9, 250. That's as big if not bigger than Matt Bonner and he start's at center. Once he gets some NBA level strength and conditioning, he will probably be well over 260.The kid has no quit in him, is strong as , a great teammate, and has gotten better every year he has played. I really believe that whoever gets him will be getting a solid starter for a long time. Maybe not any kind of star player, but a solid 12 point 8 rebound type of guy.
he'd be a ty version of Shawn Bradley at best.
That makes no sense.
Why does everybody say this? BECAUSE EVERY SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY EXAGGERATES HEIGHT. Beasley was listed at 6'10 - was actually 6'8. D'Andre Jordan was listed a 7'0 - he was only 6'9+.
Tyler will come in at the combine a few centimeters over 6'7. When he went up against Cole Aldrich last year, Aldrich was much taller.
I'm not saying that T will be completely worthless at the next level, but I think his CEILING is a poor man's Nick Collison.
id do it
hard worker and plays for unc
but only if he went that late in the draft
Only TV, I`m from Poland
didnt people say kevin love will never be a good player in nba. he is becoming a star.
Love is bigger and more skilled than Hansbrough.
I don't understand why people are so fervently against Hansbrough...it's not like the Spurs would trade Tim Duncan to get him if they wanted.
Hansbrough is appropriately sitting somewhere in the mid to late first round because he's not the best athlete and his arms are not exceptionally long to make up for his lack of height (say he's 6'8). That said, he's got an excellent IQ, good inside/out game, and has a toughness/gritiness that alot of teams would value.
Admittedly, I don't think he's ever going to be more than a role player, but if the Spurs wanted to trade up into the first round to get this kid, I don't think I'd be upset at all.
Having just read my assessment and a few others, there's one guy currently in the league that I think compares really well...and he's a guy that many on this board are pissed at the FO for letting go.
That would be one Luis Scola...undersized, not athletic, yet possesses a great feel for the game and is extremely effective while on the court.
I absolutely agree with that.
As much as Laettner is seen as a bust, you'd have to be a pretty good player to have a better career than Laettner did -- not a great player, of course, but a pretty good one. Laettner played about 870 games as a pro and averaged almost 13 ppg, even with 2 or 3 pretty bad years at the end. In his first 5 pro seasons, Laettner was 18/9, 17/9, 16/8, 16/7, and 18/9. He deservedly made an All-Star team in 1997.
None of that is to say that Laettner was great as a pro, but all of it is to say that the guys who were better pros are mostly great players.
I live in the heart of ACC country in NC and have seen Psycho T play a lot. Honest observation which is the guy will be straight up garbage in the nba. He is a slow stiff who will get his shot blocked 9 out of 10 times in the NBA. He has some of the ugliest footwork I have seen its like he's a wounded water buffaloe out there on the court. While it works in college it won't work in the NBA. This guy will be lucky to be half the player Matt Bonner is which isn't saying much. this guy would make Rasho look like an allstar.
madsen on sterioids. who cares.
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