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Of course I said that years ago here and nobody believed me...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/03/p...manufacturing/
Pioneer says goodbye to plasma manufacturing
We wondered why its so hard to find one of Pioneer's award winning Kuro plasmas on shelves these days, and here is the answer. The Nikkei is reporting that Pioneer plans to stop producing plasma panels altogether, and only put together HDTVs with panels purchased from other sources. Panasonic and Hitachi remain as the only Japanese plasma manufacturers, Pioneer already has a deal with the former to purchase plasmas for its 42-inch model, and will expand that agreement according to The Nikkei. Honestly, this wouldn't be a big deal for most companies, as we've seen with the Sony/Sharp/Samsung triangle in LCD manufacturing, but since Pioneer is the only manufacturer promising the blackest black levels this side of carbon nanotubes, we're freaking out a bit. Here's hoping Pioneer slides over the blueprints to the infinite contrast concept (and that sexy 9mm model) and keeps the party going.
I'd say LCD will be the defacto standard now.
Of course I said that years ago here and nobody believed me...
LCD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> plasmette
this is just like the blue ray and HD DVD war....well was.
plasma consumes too much energy compared to LCD.....
hence the govt down here wants all plasmas sales banned, and shift to alternative goods with low energy consumption......
Care to back that up with any facts?
Plasmas have truer colors, deeper blacks, and don't suc b to streaking.
Plamas also die fast.
lcds only sell more, or at least get a huge advantage from, the fact taht they are available inmore sizes. i htink plasmas only go down to like 42 or maybe 40 inches.
also the article said there were only two manufacturers left in japan. isnt samsung in japan? or did they stop manufacturing plasmas?
way to use old info guy.
really it all boils down to what you prefer. they each offer advantages over the other
is that true with OLED LCDs as well?
The article is fact enough. Plasmas will soon be a thing of the past. Companies will stop manufacturing them.
Yes. Almost entirely because they use far more power than LCDs and the public perception has moved away from Plasmas. LCDs are the "new thing" and are being marketed much more aggressively, and Plasmas have questionable reputations because of burn-in (almost zero chance now unless you like to go away for 12 hours and leave your TV with a static image on) and short operating lifetimes (also a thing of the past, my TV is rated at 100,000 hours, I believe).
I just bought a big screen TV (42"). I looked in 6 or 7 different stores. I looked at every Plasma I could find, and almost every LCD. From what I could tell, the TV I ended up with, a $1000 Panasonic plasma, had about the same picture quality as a $3000 LCD screen. Even then, if I had to, I would probably give the nod to the Plasma screen. The color reproduction is spot-on. On everything except the VERY best of LCDs, you will see color problems. Either reds will be pinker than they should, greens will be lighter, blacks are lighter, that kind of thing.
Plasmas also hold a significant advantage in that if you have to display a SD signal, they do a much better job with less pixelation than LCDs.
I was of the mindset that I was going to buy a Samsung LCD for my home. I was 100% set on the TV that I wanted, even. I went to CC and Best Buy, looked around, and when I put that LCD up to the plasma, there was no comparison on the accuracy of the picture. The Panasonic plasma blew it away. It was a huge, noticeable difference.
So stop hiding behind, "zomg they're not making them as much so they're not as good" as your retreating argument after you make some clearly untrue statements about new plasma TV models and are proven wrong. Pioneer is ceasing production of the Kuro because they don't make enough money on them and people aren't buying them enough, not because they're inferior. Go to your local store and look at a Kuro plasma TV. It will absolutely torch any LCD in the store in every single picture category. There is simply no comparison.
OLEDs are very comparative, if not better than some plasma TVs, from what I have read.
An 11 inch OLED will also run you $2500 right now. And OLEDs are not considered LCDs anyway, so it's moot to the thread le.
Dude, you don't get it. If Pioneer isn't making as much money on them, that means they are clearly inferior. You have to look at the total solution, including cost, to determine what the better product is. It's plain as day that LCD technology is superior.
Now you're using circular logic to try to defend your position after being proven wrong. Cognitive dissonance, anyone? Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that one TV is better than another because of superior marketing. How silly of me to think that such things as color depth, accuracy, black levels, resolution and detail, and design quality should be determining factors in the quality of a TV. The products that make the most money are clearly the best. Pioneer TVs make less money BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE WITH HIGHER QUALITY COMPONENTS.
This just in, Britney Spears is a superior singer to Paul Potts, a Ford Focus is a better car than a Ferrari Enzo, and the Nintendo Wii is a better gaming system than a 360 or a Ps3. After all, they make more money and that's all that matters when you're talking about quality.
The Panasonic Viera TH-42PZ:80U. Fantastic TV for the money. But apparently since it cost more to make than a Samsung LCD, it's not as good of a TV, despite having much better colors and black levels.
It wasn't true years ago. The development in picture processing software/power that is now built into LCD (to correct the many problems native to LCD) have allowed LCDs to catch up with plasma.Of course I said that years ago here and nobody believed me...
LCD are cheaper and easier to manufacture which results in a higher profit margin.
Not for long...
What do you see coming down the pike to replace LCD Slomo? I'm sure there's something, I'm just not up to speed on what it is.It wasn't true years ago. The development in picture processing software/power that is now built into LCD (to correct the many problems native to LCD) have allowed LCDs to catch up with plasma.
LCD are cheaper and easier to manufacture which results in a higher profit margin.
Not for long...
Good to see you agreeing with me otherwise though!
You're all wrong...holographic isolinear gravametric projection is the wave of the future...at least that's what "they" tell me...who is "they" you ask...I cannot say at this time...
I don't know what is coming. Sony seems to be very high on OLEDs, which do look very good (from the few prototypes I've seen) but I think they are working on making them bigger which apparently isn't easy (don't know the details).
I've read about "laser" TV screens which are supposed to be incredible (don't know how they work and never seen one myself)
I'm personally now studying a lot about LED screens (new job) and there's some pretty sweet development in that field - if you have room for an HD screen that is 18 ft wide
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...ed-from-eu.php
One thing there is NO debate about: Plasma's are energy hogs. When I walk by mine it is like walking by a heater. In fact, the European Union is thinking of banning them due to energy usuage. I assume the energy usuage of plasmas has played into the decision making of the manufacturers. The whole green thing.
I bought a 1080 50" Hitachi plasma two years ago because at the time there was only one LCD over 50"........a 52" Sony Bravia at $4500 in 2007 dollars. I paid $1199 at Circuit.
Edit:
California also wants to ban them:
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...-of-stores.php
I don't keep up on it much any more. My dad was CTO for a large corporation that makes LCD displays. One of their primary customers was the USAF for their fighter jets. That's why I've known for a long time that LCD displays would be the dominant force in the market eventually.
lol
So you admit that you don't know much about the subject you started the thread about.
You're also openly stating that you're completely biased when making your initial statement without actual knowledge of what you're talking about.
Wow, really? I guess that means I'll have a jet-powered car soon, because the technology on fighter planes is obviously an indicator of what we'll have in our home soon.
For the record, the "best picture" doesn't belong to LCD or plasma right now.
65" Mitsubishi LaserVue TV. Has better picture and black level than a plasma, uses less energy than an LCD.
So you admit that you don't know much about the subject you started the thread about.
You're also openly stating that you're completely biased when making your initial statement without actual knowledge of what you're talking about.
Wow, really? I guess that means I'll have a jet-powered car soon, because the technology on fighter planes is obviously an indicator of what we'll have in our home soon.
For the record, the "best picture" doesn't belong to LCD or plasma right now.
65" Mitsubishi LaserVue TV. Has better picture and black level than a plasma, uses less energy than an LCD.
I didn't say that their only customer was the USAF! I'm just telling you that I was privy to insider information. You may or may not choose to believe me. It doesn't really matter...
You used the fact that the the USAF was buying LCDs as proof of their ability to become the standard. By that extension, you stated that the "standard" categorically means that LCDs are better than plasmas. You've offered nothing to back up these statements.
I didn't say that their only customer was the USAF! I'm just telling you that I was privy to insider information. You may or may not choose to believe me. It doesn't really matter...
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