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I agree here, anyone who still considers emire a top 15 player is a moron.Clearly showing your lack of basketball knowledge.
Have you watched him play this year at all? Top 15?
Top 15, Top 20... anything below doesn't make sense.
Amare's up there
And when he's on (2007-2008), he's top 7-8.
I agree here, anyone who still considers emire a top 15 player is a moron.Clearly showing your lack of basketball knowledge.
Have you watched him play this year at all? Top 15?
I love how you ignore the fact one is a top ten pick the other picked in the early 20's.
Better PGs: Deron Williams, Chris Paul
SGs: D-Whistle, Kobe, Brandon Roy
SF: Lebron James, Danny Granger, Paul Pierce
PF: Dirk, KG, Duncan, Bosh
C: Yao, Shaq, Dwight Howard
I cant THINK of any other players who are better!
Maybe 4-5 more... so Amare is still a top 20 player.
so you have gone from top 15... to top 20....
Same diff!
Say's it all doesn't it?
here's the latest quote from the insider.OK ....Got back earlier than I thought, but, I'm crashing early and getting an earlier flight tomorrow and heading out to Phoenix for the weekend. Had some late plans change, and I'll have to handle a few things there.
What a day this is turning out to be ...what a weekend should I say.
I have to be careful here guys ... we have no "handshake deal" right now. ok.
We've obviously been in alot of talks with alot of teams. We have a clear priority established as to how we would like things to go for us, with standing pat always an option that we can ultimately go with, and still be happy moving forward.
Being a big part in JJ early pro career here, and going through this is especially tough for me right now. But, when you get into pro ball, this is the reality of the game. Careers can change on a moments notice, and you have to be prepared for anything, at anytime.
Like I say, no handshake deal has been made, and only Phoenix and Amare know precisely where they stand. But, something looks to be happening out in Phoenix. I've found out that Amare and Lebron have been talking, and I think that when I connect the dots, we may have a real deal want and desire for these two to join forces in Cleveland. This could mean for the foreseeable future.
Amare wouldn't want to come here for another short term stint, and if he didn't get the ipresion from Lebron that he was going to commit longterm, then you wouldn't have them looking to pair up.
I've always been looking to find that player that would ultimately have cir stances for them coincide with ours , at the right time, in order to finally find the missing piece that would ultimately pair with Lebron James and provide him with the team needed to birng him the multiple championships.
This could be the prelude to just that..
If Amare would make his wishes known, he would eliminate all the compe ion basically. No team is going to give up the farm for a one year rental player, that would be unhappy to boot during that tenure.
In a way, if Amare's wishes are what they appear to be, he is going to basically name his destination here. But, the reality is ...if Lebron wants it, it happens, if he doesn't it doesn't.
Lebron wants it. Amare could be on board with that same view of the future potential of their pairing as well.
To make it short and sweet ... it's not a done deal. I don't know for a fact that Lebron and Amare are of like minds ... I don't know that Phoenix might not get another offer that's better ...like say from a team like the Knicks for instance ...and Amare at the last second might have a chance to rejoin D'Antoni in NY and thoughts change at that moment ... those possiblities exist here ...
But, the way I'm readng things right now ...I think we might have a real deal shot at landing him right now. Certain things that I can't really get into specifics about now ..I read as very positive signs that this could ultimately end up getting done.
If it doesn't, then we seem to have some other options available to us as well. I've spelled some of the basics of some of the other type deals that we might be looking for out in some past threads ...everyone if they have been reading what I've been posting knows what type options we are looking at and exploring.
We've had the dream scenarios, all the way down to the smaller ones in the Joe Smith mold, we have the swingman options, and even the status quo.
Just last night at this time I was of the belief that othing of this caliber looked to be on the horizon, and whaddaya know now I'm heading west and we might be actually in the hunt on this thing.
I still keep falling back on the belief that someone should be able to offer up more than us that has a strong future as well ...but, as I look at the options beig mentioned, it clearly looks like we are the most likely option that exists as I type.
Kepp your fingers crossed ...don't know if I'll gt much sleep tonight, but , the next time you hear from me I will likely be checked in , in Phoenix.
Offensive stats for forwards
No need to check defense... cause I doubt he has any.
1 LeBron James , CLE 51 1,455 28.5 380 7.4 359 7.0 2,194 43.0
2 Dirk Nowitzki , DAL 51 1,321 25.9 423 8.3 117 2.3 1,861 36.5
3 Tim Duncan , SAS 50 1,039 20.8 525 10.5 195 3.9 1,759 35.2
4 Kevin Durant , OKC 52 1,328 25.5 347 6.7 147 2.8 1,822 35.0
5 Carlos Boozer , UTA 12 246 20.5 140 11.7 32 2.7 418 34.8
6 Zach Randolph , LAC-NYK 31 681 22.0 331 10.7 64 2.1 1,076 34.7
7 Chris Bosh , TOR 51 1,160 22.7 486 9.5 124 2.4 1,770 34.7
8 Danny Granger , IND 50 1,270 25.4 251 5.0 159 3.2 1,680 33.6
9 Carmelo Anthony , DEN 38 827 21.8 267 7.0 139 3.7 1,233 32.4
10 Antawn Jamison , WAS 53 1,133 21.4 483 9.1 103 1.9 1,719 32.4
11 Stephen Jackson , GSW 44 901 20.5 217 4.9 277 6.3 1,395 31.7
12 Caron Butler , WAS 48 984 20.5 300 6.2 211 4.4 1,495 31.1
13 Pau Gasol , LAL 51 932 18.3 477 9.4 176 3.4 1,585 31.1
14 Amar'e Stoudemire , PHX 51 1,069 21.0 414 8.1 100 2.0 1,583 31.0
Ammended... Checked anyway for forwards:
Rebounds: he's 18th
Blocks: 16th
Steals: 31st
But hey Ghazi.... you did get close to top 5 forward in one stat.... he's 7th in the league for ALL forwards in turnovers!
Last edited by cobbler; 02-14-2009 at 02:15 AM.
Personally I think the Suns are idiots if they turned this down. Wally, Hickson and Anderson for Amare? That means they get to keep essentially all their cap space (Wally expiring almost = Amare expiring), get JJ Hickson and Anderson to help bolster their future and interior defense this year.
If you throw in Gibson for Barbosa to make salaries match that is a win scenario for the Suns.
I don't want Varejao. I'd rather them do the trade simply w/o that overrated scrub.
OK ....Got back earlier than I thought, but, I'm crashing early and getting an earlier flight tomorrow and heading out to Phoenix for the weekend. Had some late plans change, and I'll have to handle a few things there.
What a day this is turning out to be ...what a weekend should I say.
I have to be careful here guys ... we have no "handshake deal" right now. ok.
We've obviously been in alot of talks with alot of teams. We have a clear priority established as to how we would like things to go for us, with standing pat always an option that we can ultimately go with, and still be happy moving forward.
Being a big part in JJ early pro career here, and going through this is especially tough for me right now. But, when you get into pro ball, this is the reality of the game. Careers can change on a moments notice, and you have to be prepared for anything, at anytime.
Like I say, no handshake deal has been made, and only Phoenix and Amare know precisely where they stand. But, something looks to be happening out in Phoenix. I've found out that Amare and Lebron have been talking, and I think that when I connect the dots, we may have a real deal want and desire for these two to join forces in Cleveland. This could mean for the foreseeable future.
Amare wouldn't want to come here for another short term stint, and if he didn't get the ipresion from Lebron that he was going to commit longterm, then you wouldn't have them looking to pair up.
I've always been looking to find that player that would ultimately have cir stances for them coincide with ours , at the right time, in order to finally find the missing piece that would ultimately pair with Lebron James and provide him with the team needed to birng him the multiple championships.
This could be the prelude to just that..
If Amare would make his wishes known, he would eliminate all the compe ion basically. No team is going to give up the farm for a one year rental player, that would be unhappy to boot during that tenure.
In a way, if Amare's wishes are what they appear to be, he is going to basically name his destination here. But, the reality is ...if Lebron wants it, it happens, if he doesn't it doesn't.
Lebron wants it. Amare could be on board with that same view of the future potential of their pairing as well.
To make it short and sweet ... it's not a done deal. I don't know for a fact that Lebron and Amare are of like minds ... I don't know that Phoenix might not get another offer that's better ...like say from a team like the Knicks for instance ...and Amare at the last second might have a chance to rejoin D'Antoni in NY and thoughts change at that moment ... those possiblities exist here ...
But, the way I'm readng things right now ...I think we might have a real deal shot at landing him right now. Certain things that I can't really get into specifics about now ..I read as very positive signs that this could ultimately end up getting done.
If it doesn't, then we seem to have some other options available to us as well. I've spelled some of the basics of some of the other type deals that we might be looking for out in some past threads ...everyone if they have been reading what I've been posting knows what type options we are looking at and exploring.
We've had the dream scenarios, all the way down to the smaller ones in the Joe Smith mold, we have the swingman options, and even the status quo.
Just last night at this time I was of the belief that othing of this caliber looked to be on the horizon, and whaddaya know now I'm heading west and we might be actually in the hunt on this thing.
I still keep falling back on the belief that someone should be able to offer up more than us that has a strong future as well ...but, as I look at the options beig mentioned, it clearly looks like we are the most likely option that exists as I type.
Kepp your fingers crossed ...don't know if I'll gt much sleep tonight, but , the next time you hear from me I will likely be checked in , in Phoenix.
This is the funniest fairytale ever.
agree^ but this poster is supposedly the same guy that broke the news that mo will sign with the cavs and also called it before the cavs drafted hickson. he looks like he really knows whats going on. he's well respected in that board. still, that doesnt mean it will go through.
The Suns won't be taking the Cavs offer for Amare. It is too big a risk for the Suns to just give Amare away for garbage. The financial implications of such a deal would be disasterous for Robert Sarver. You can imagine all the empty seats in the US Airways Center because angry season ticket holders don't renew. Also, veterans like Nash and Hill would quickly ask for a trade out of town.
Snow, Varejao and Hickson + 1st rounder would be close to working with Salaries.
Maybe the suns might want him to play for the remainder of the season, coz AV would opt out. IIRC theres a team option on this season aswell, or that could be next season.
Stoudamire and Bron talking is a good sign.
DOK is btw.
Maybe Sarver sells in the off-season?
Yeah, I remember that, it was the Kevin Johnson-Larry Nance trade.
damn. i would have liked to have seen this trade go down.
too bad, LeBron.
i just don't get why phoenix rejected it? do they want a good player? its not like they're going anywhere. an expiring contract would have been good for them
He might want to sell, but who would be buying a sports franchise in this economy? Also, any owner who wants to sell knows that the value of the franchise would drop if they sold off all the valuable assets.
Yer, no-one would buy right now.
Yeah ok it works with salaries it is still a completely assonine lopsided trade an owner trying to save face with the fans would never do.
Why am I a , because I called a source unreliable that you believe is reliable, when neither one of us has any evidence one way or the other?DOK is btw
that's written by the guy that said Lebron was trying to find his way to Detroit in 2010, now anything he writes is tainted
But last year the Cavs deal with Chicago for Ben Wallace was dead the night before so you never know
The continual denial, it's a reliable source. He never said it was confirmed, but the source is reliable.
do you like anyone? You don't like Amare, but anything less than 2 hall of famers for him is unacceptable. Your team is trying to rebuild, but you want proven guys. That's not how it works man, you can't do both.
And what is your problem with the source guy? Your constantly mocking me for saying that but the guy has proven himself. My feeling is that you are just upset that Amare wants out of the powerful Suns organization and you are mad that the Suns are in decline so you have to take your frustrations out on everyone else
How am I the only one that can figure this out...
If Amare tells the Grizzlies or Bulls or whoever else that he might not resign in 2010, that then all those trade scenarios you hear about are done. Nobody is going to give up 2 key pieces to rent him for a year...so that is why Cleveland can get by with what looks like a lopsided offer. Amare has been on the market now for over a week, and nobody must have made a deal to Phoenix's liking
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