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    Trading a very good but limited three point specialist and a talented but raw rookie pg for an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing who is one of the clutchest players in the league (82games.com)!?!?

    well, if the spurs really want to have a chance to win it all the next two years they should do it

    BTW, are there really so many uneducated and uninformed fans out there!?!?!

    CARTER IS NOT INJURY PRONE..........since he was traded to the NETS he missed only 12 games, less than Kobe, pierce etc........

    cheers
    Nahhh, the hurt elbow, strained hamstrings, strained groins are all figments of the trainer's and our imaginations.

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    Learn something:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116960


    And those nagging injuries will disappear playing for a contender. Trust me.

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    carter is clutch, people:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...rter+game+winn


    If you follow the NBA at large, then do your research.
    I agree i can't believe people would have a problem with Carter on the spurs Carter is better than Mason and Hill put together. I like Mason but if i had to pick it would be Carter and Mason is only a spot up shooter Carter is more than that he would bring another dimension to the spurs playing with Duncan,Parker and Manu and its not like were trading one of the big 3 for Carter, People need to calm down its not the end of the world if we don't have Mason and Hill on the spurs.

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    You are absolutely right and that is backed by evidence here:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116960

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    Learn something:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116960


    And those nagging injuries will disappear playing for a contender. Trust me.

    So he has at ude issues.

    Even better.

    this guy.

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    The big men playing ahead of Sean Williams are all better than he is.
    Last year, Sean Williams averaged 5.6p/4.4r/1.5blk in 17 minutes. Why is he now playing behind the inferior Josh Boone?
    That said, I think Williams could help the Spurs. He needs the Pop boot camp and a change of scenery.
    He's a corrosive locker room presence who's antics have apparently filtered out to everyone but you. We're not talking immaturity here, he's just a flat out bad guy. As I said, Chicago refused him as a throw-in for a trade earlier this year. Because they refused to take him, the trade collapsed. Let me repeat that: they refused him as a throw in.

    You listed Brook Williams and Josh Boone as journeymen.
    You think of journeyman as a derisive swipe. It isn't. Most players in the NBA are journeyman. Lopez has a chance to be more at 12p/8r, but then again, others have put up numbers early and fallen off the face of the Earth. See: Kristic, Nenad.

    Boone will probably always be a fringe player, and Jianlian and Anderson are primarily perimeter players/shooters and shouldn't be keeping a talented big out of the lineup.
    How do I argue with you if you're that off base?
    You can recognize that Sean Williams would never fit in SA. He is a bad guy who most of the league won't touch with a ten foot pole. That's why he's not playing ahead of inferior players.

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    Are you a fvcking fool, ex?

    Brook Lopez is being lauded as a young Brad Miller.

    Josh Boone was the Nets in bant starter at center before gtting hurt.

    Anderson is young and has been showing flashes of brilliance.

    And the Nets traded for Yi to appeal to the foreign market and because they view him as a cornerstone of the front court.


    Where exactly do you expect the admittedly raw S. Williams to get his minutes on the Nets?

    Don't bother answering. The last time I mentioned a Nets player with a questionable at ude, you scoffed when the Spurs eventually took a chance on him.


    He turned out to be Stephen Jackson, the Spurs best swingman in a decade.





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    P.S.

    The Nets could not afford to keep Krstic because of the same depth in the frontcourt that has relegated S. Williams to the deep bench.

    He's back in the NBA and doing well with the Thunder, ex.:

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/nenad_krstic/


    You've gotten more conservative and confused with time.

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    Brook Lopez looks like he's going to be a very, very good center. What the is everybody talking about?

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    I agree on williams, but its not the spurs policy to take on such headcases...don't see him comming to the spurs!

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    btw.: would love to see harris and hill playing along each other with lopez in the frontcourt...nice young athletic core to start over

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    Brook Lopez looks like he's going to be a very, very good center. What the is everybody talking about?
    I agree.


    Obviously, the naysayers in this thread do not watch the games on a national basis.

    B. Lopez stole the job from Boone and there's simply not enough minutes for the mercurial Sean Williams.

    The "warts" on Williams makes him more accessible to the Spurs, as no team is in a hurry to send away perfect low-post players!

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    Tapping the brakes on the Carter talk
    By Jeff McDonald

    E-N NBA beat writer Mike Monroe is on the scene in Phoenix for the NBA's annual All-Star Game/Swap Meet ... Just got this from him via email, regarding the rumored deal in the works that would allegedly bring Vince Carter to San Antonio:

    Nets general manager Kiki Vandeweghe, while not commenting specifically on reported Nets-Spurs talks, on Saturday denied a trade report that had the Spurs sending four players to the Nets for Vince Carter.

    "There's nothing going on with Vince Carter," Vandeweghe said.

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    The Nets could not afford to keep Krstic because of the same depth in the frontcourt that has relegated S. Williams to the deep bench.

    He's back in the NBA and doing well with the Thunder, ex.:

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/nenad_krstic/


    You've gotten more conservative and confused with time.
    You're getting a stiffy over 8.6/5.1? No wonder you think Josh Boone and his 4/4 is the second coming.

    ing Mahinmi could probably put up 8/5 when his ankle heals. Your standards are pretty low, even lower than usual GW.

    Oh, and the Nets let Kristic go because they had no choice. He went to Europe, where things like restricted type free agency don't apply. His numbers also took a dive for two years in a row.

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    ex, stop posting.

    You are a veteran here and I respect that, but you've gotten fvcking exposed in this thread.

    I can't repeat myself any more, but you are dead wrong.

    Sean Williams is buried behine Boone and Lopez.

    Experts project Lopez to be a stud in this league and Boone was putting up good numbers for a starter last season and this season before getting hurt.

    No one is suggesting that Sean Williams is the next Ralph Sampson. We're saying he could be a decent gamble and a low-risk one at that.





    Please leave this alone, because anyone can follow the dialogue in this thread and realize you don't have a healthy perspective of the NBA at large if you're not aware the Brook Lopez and Josh Boone and Ryan Anderson are not journeymen.

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    low risk?

    ...I think him disrupting the team chemestry especially in the lockerroom could be a big risk!

    and as much as I like pop...he hasnt proved, that he is a master in coaching difficult people...he just never had to (jax was the closest thing but not that bad at that time)

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    I'll leave you to rub one out to your Josh Boone poster. Think real hard about that 4/4.

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    The lastest from McDonald, this is in the monster Carter thread too.

    Carter buzz heating up
    By Jeff McDonald

    That Vince-Carter-to-Spurs rumor seems to have heated up overnight, with some sources indicating San Antonio to be the most likely destination for the mercurial New Jersey shooting guard.

    The latest scenario would have the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter. New Jersey would then immediately waive Oberto and Bowen, to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.

    The benefit for the Spurs would be obvious: They would acquire an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing. The deal, however, would not be painless: They would have to part with Mason, a top-notch 3-point shooter, and Hill, a rookie point guard who had figured prominently into the team's long range plans.

    The benefit for the Nets would be mostly financial. They would clear Carter's $16.1 million salary from the books.

    No deal was imminent as of this morning, but this development will be something worth monitoring throughout All-Star Weekend.

    UPDATE: One problem with the deal proposed here. Under NBA rules, it would be illegal. In order for a team to take four players for one, it must make room on the 15-man roster BEFORE the deal is consummated. It doesn't matter if the plan is to waive a couple of the incoming players after the deal is done.

    In order for the Spurs and Nets to make this deal, the Nets -- who are already at the 15-man limit -- would have to waive three of their own players first. Obviously, that's not going to happen. Doesn't neccesarily mean there is no deal for Carter in the works, but it isn't this deal.
    McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on

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    Stop. Please.

    Boone was hurt, as I already mentioned. He was the Nets starting center. Why don't you look at his averages as a starter?

    If you are going to challenge me, please know the situations.

    You're embarrassing yourself and the corny jokes do not mask the facts that you thought that Sean Williams should be capable of jumping Josh Boone and Brook Lopez on the depth chart.



    Watch the games.

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    McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on
    is he supposed to produce soucers out of nowhere?

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    Spurs are already so close though. They need a big man to help sink the lakers. that's it. no eastern conference team can CONSISTENTLY beat the Spurs. if the spurs went to the finals, and faced the celtics, cavs, or magic, they might struggle a little. any of those teams will win one or two games of the series, but c'mon, none of those flyweights can go 7 long games with a team like the Spurs. The lakers are the only team to worry about this year. spurs need a big to defend odom while duncan takes gasol or vice versa. bowen takes kobe and i think bynum's done for the season so that's a big bail out right there.

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    McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on

    yah, but who really does know what's going on in the NBA. even sports writers at ESPN know very little until it actually happens. the NBA is like the government. THere's stuff going on that no fan or even writer really knows about. for all we know, the spurs are trying to get shaq. 99.999999% chance that would ever even cross anybody's mind, i'm just trying to make a point but you never know. we fans are simply speculating. some deals are made obvious however, like the o'neal and marion trade, but for the most part, why would any nba insider tell us what's going on? we don't own the organization, it's none of our business what truly goes on. writers and stuff are probably just stirring crap to get us all excited and to create hype.

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    McDonald is pathetic. He just read the Nets writer got some news and he wrote this crap blog. He has no soucers and have no clue about what's going on
    At least he figured out that this trade wouldn't work with the rules of the CBA. Almost all of the other sports writers and internet forum dwellers haven't even made it that far.

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    Spurs are already so close though. They need a big man to help sink the lakers. that's it. no eastern conference team can CONSISTENTLY beat the Spurs. if the spurs went to the finals, and faced the celtics, cavs, or magic, they might struggle a little. any of those teams will win one or two games of the series, but c'mon, none of those flyweights can go 7 long games with a team like the Spurs. The lakers are the only team to worry about this year. spurs need a big to defend odom while duncan takes gasol or vice versa. bowen takes kobe and i think bynum's done for the season so that's a big bail out right there.
    I heard this same sh1t last year and was sold that Kurt Thomas was the big man who would be the equalizer against the Lakers.

    We need an impact player.

    I already illustrated how good big men are a premium, but a player like Carter would give us a compe ive advantage on the perimeter vs. LA.

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    Trading a very good but limited three point specialist and a talented but raw rookie pg for an elite, All-Star caliber scorer on the wing who is one of the clutchest players in the league (82games.com)!?!?

    well, if the spurs really want to have a chance to win it all the next two years they should do it

    BTW, are there really so many uneducated and uninformed fans out there!?!?!

    CARTER IS NOT INJURY PRONE..........since he was traded to the NETS he missed only 12 games, less than Kobe, pierce etc........

    cheers
    Carter and Bowen have nearly come to blows on the court so you can't blame spurs fans for not likely carter and for assuming the worst about him.

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