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Lmao, the VC trade is just as realistic as the Sheed trade.
Anyone can be clutch in front of 12,000 in mid-March when the only thing on the line is lottery positioning. Vince Carter's never been on a team that's done anything in the playoffs. I'd be willing to be he's been the highest player on his team for most of those years, too. Max-contract guys are supposed to be the best of the best, a guy that can carry a team with role players to the playoffs. The only thing Vince Carter's carried is a bad at ude and a pocketful of stats on bad teams.
However, let's assume you're right and Vince Carter is clutch. Where does that put him in the Spurs pecking order come crunch time? Still 4th. You think Vince "Vinsanity"/"Half-Man Half-Amazing" Carter thinks he's 4th on anyone's pecking order? Meanwhile, Roger Mason (who makes 20% of what Vince does) has already hit 3 game-winners this season against the biggest rivals/compe ors. Mason's put himself in the position to be clutch because he knows his role and takes advantage of his situations. I don't see Vince Carter being happy for the 4th/5th spot in the Spurs' pecking order.
Lmao, the VC trade is just as realistic as the Sheed trade.
Rasheed Wallace ain't happening.
And we don't need a mega-star at the post either. Just someone who isn't a pussy ala Oberto, Thomas, and Bonner.
Rasheed Wallace would make Gasol stretch to the perimiter, and would guard him perfectly in the post.
Plus Wallace is a bad ass who would bring some awesome at ude.
The other guy with a million posts has multiple degrees.
I don't disagree.
The main thesis is that the Spurs can't win as currently constructed unless the Lakers sustain a major injury for the playoffs.
Conceding the paint and flooding the court with perimeter scoring threats sounds awfully Don Nelson-esque to me.
Especially when adding that other perimeter scorer who doesn't like to play defense.
Why are you laughing?
Unless a trade happens, the Spurs can't beat win the le.
Pop admitted as much.
Why don't you think about the fact that Carter or Wallace would change the dynamic in a Lakers series and give the Spurs a compe ive advantage at the cost of (drumroll):
depth*.
* depth means sh1t in the playoffs as most contenders go to a 8-9 player rotation.
I was laughing because you were acting like VC was attainable while Wallace was not. TP just had an interview saying he thought they could beat the Lakers.
Yes and Pop said this much already.
Rasheed Wallace would be great, but that's not happening anytime soon. Who or what the do the Spurs have that the Pistons would want!?
The Spurs don't need to make a major move. Just something Nazr Mohammed-esque to help them aganist the bigger frontlines come PO time.
Maybe.
But they showed they can beat LA as constructed here in San Antonio and that was a night where Parker had an off night and Duncan was playing half assed on defense.
I think this team is better than you give it credit for.
Ofcourse Tp would say that. The guy is a compe or.
What did you expect him to say?
Pop is not a compe or?
You guys, don't you know that GW is an authority on all things Spurs? He said so himself! So it must be true.
Pop is not on the court trying to hit shots. All a coach can do is coach. Players make plays--there in lies the difference.
actually I want Brook Lopez. He reminds me of Duncan in so many ways. In fact, Duncan is one of the players he has designed his game after.
I dont want Carter. I will however, take Carter if it means we can steal Lopez from the Nets......I mean they did steal Harris from Dallas. They will be getting Mason, Hill, and a future 1st from us. I see no reason why we can't have Lopez added to the trade.
C - Bonner, Lopez, Ian
PF - Duncan, Thomas, Oberto (would come back after being cut)
SF - Carter, Bowen (would come back after being cut)
SG - Finley, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Vaughn
Pop has the authority to change the current line up with trades tony does not.
Also, to those that don't think Carter is a huge upgrade over RMJ what happened in the second game against the lakers? why was Mason completely invisible? That game was a sign of what will happen come playoff time when teams Defense tighten up and they will take away those open looks mason has been getting just like they take away the easy lay ups Parker gets which is why having Carter would be a huge upgrade. Someone else on the floor that can not only hit 3 but create their shot when teams take away those open looks.
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i don't see the spurs as a team who would make a major move and stuff up what they got going now. as far as i'm concerned, carter and 'sheed will not be coming to san ant soon.
I can't help but think that adding Carter would be less helpful as Mason is a role player.
Carter is clutch, no doubt, but is he any more clutch that Mason has proven to be?
We can't fix that this year. Maybe next year when Rasheed is a FA and we sign him for the midlevel. At best we can trade for a big that would be good enough to be our 4th big on the depth chart. With that said improving in other ways like Vince Carter would improve our team. Take the homer Mason goggles off.
Take the homer glasses off please. The way I see it is this. Mason is a great shooter. He just doesn't have that triple threat ability. Not only do most of Mason's shots come off being wide open from the big 3, but the only time he can score when putting it on the floor is when we are playing a lazy team and mason gets a screen for a one dribble pull up( I don't want to hear about Mason being more efficient because Carter has to create at least 90 percent of his own shots, unlike Mason who gets wide open looks and only has to worry about shooting). Also if you have watched the games, whenever Mason tries to create and penetrate its usually two points the other way or simply a turnover. With Carter not only are we getting a 40 percent 3 point shooter back, but we are also getting a player that can put it on the floor and create for Tony Manu and Tim. If you notice Finley, Bowen, and Mason all seem to struggle overall against the great teams in the league because when parker and manu do penetrate and kick out, the opposition tends to sprint out to our shooters and make Mason, Finley, Bowen put it on the floor which is something they simply can not do effectively. Put in Carter we don't have that problem. If there's a way we can get Carter without Hill and include mahimni or Splitter I'm all for it. But if we have to get rid of Georgie then we have to make this trade. Come Playoff time I highly doubt Pop would insert Vaughn in a tight series to back up Tony. I'm pretty sure he would turn to Manu at back up point if we do get Vince Carter. All in all I believe we have to make this move.
I don't want no quitters on my teams.
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when has he quit? In Toronto? When he obvously was tired of losing and wanted out? To use that to justify Mason> Carter is just dumb in my eyes. Vince has never had a team worth a around him. The one time he had a decent team was when he nearly beat the Sixers in 2001 to go to the finals. Saying hes a quitter is an irrational dumb statement because you and I both know with Tim and Pop telling him and describing how the Larry O'brien trophy tastes Vince will go to war for this team. Just like how Rodman did for the Bulls.
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off topic, we have already had enough discussion about spurs and trades.
this thread is "Vince Carter is Clutch":
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