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    Hope he gets a chance, unless Pop finds some fairy dust and gets Sheed for crap+Fin(i know he has to agree).

    How do you get a no trade clause anyways? Did he have one in Dallas?
    Finley can veto trades because he's playing under a one-year contract and has been playing for the Spurs for 3+ years (that is, they have his Bird Rights). It's the 5th bullet point here:

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q85


    With all the speculation about trade rumors, this is probably our most likely move. I see him joining the team just after the deadline.
    Agreed. I think the Spurs are just waiting until the deadline to see what they can find on the trade market. Hopefully the rest of the teams decide to wait at least that long on Pops as well.

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    Agreed. I think the Spurs are just waiting until the deadline to see what they can find on the trade market. Hopefully the rest of the teams decide to wait at least that long on Pops as well.
    I think they will. Most of the teams looking to add players are working the trade markets just like we are. I don't see anyone calling up a player from the D-League until the deadline passes.

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    Pops Mensah-Bonsu!

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    Snyder, a legendary college coach in his time at Missouri
    That's awesome.

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    I'd rather bring back Horry. All due respect to Pops, but he's the proverbial Triple-A 1/2 player. He'll tear up the D-league, but his game can't carry over from D-league to the NBA.
    For the record...a bag of stale chips would be better than bringing back Horry.

    Pops is still very young and was raw coming out of college. It's hard to say that his game can't carry over when he has played so little due to time overseas and injuries. If we can't add a major piece before the deadline he is probably our best bet for depth on the front line when you consider all available options.

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    I don't see Pop's size as a problem. He is about the same height and weight as Paul Millsap, who has no problems holding his own in the post.

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    Anybody notice that Marcus Williams nearly got a triple-double last game?
    Marcus Williams, anyone???
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    I don't see Pop's size as a problem. He is about the same height and weight as Paul Millsap, who has no problems holding his own in the post.
    The difference is that Millsap is a load. He probably goes 255-260 and has the beef to move people around in the post.

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    For the record...a bag of stale chips would be better than bringing back Horry.

    Pops is still very young and was raw coming out of college. It's hard to say that his game can't carry over when he has played so little due to time overseas and injuries. If we can't add a major piece before the deadline he is probably our best bet for depth on the front line when you consider all available options.
    Respectfully disagree. I just don't see what a 6-7 PF who's only skill is being athletic gives us. On defense you can't ask him to guard any of the myriad of 6-10+ guys the Spurs are going come across in the playoffs. On offense he's either going to be close to the paint, i.e. in Tim Duncan's way, or standing alone outside the paint because there's no reason to respect his outside shot.

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    For the record...a bag of stale chips would be better than bringing back Horry.

    Pops is still very young and was raw coming out of college. It's hard to say that his game can't carry over when he has played so little due to time overseas and injuries. If we can't add a major piece before the deadline he is probably our best bet for depth on the front line when you consider all available options.
    Amen.

    With all due respect to Horry and his contributions, it was so obvoius that he was absolutely "gassed" last year. Mustering up a good game very 10-12 games and not being available for B2B games does not cons ute a good role player. How quickly we forget his numerous defensive miscues because he simply couldn't make the quick rotations anymore.

    It was obvious Horry was done last year and stayed a year too long. He has retired to the couch this year. Let's all stop living in the past. Time to let it go, people.

    If the Spurs can't pull off a trade before the deadline, 'll take the bad of stale chips too.

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    Respectfully disagree. I just don't see what a 6-7 PF who's only skill is being athletic gives us. On defense you can't ask him to guard any of the myriad of 6-10+ guys the Spurs are going come across in the playoffs. On offense he's either going to be close to the paint, i.e. in Tim Duncan's way, or standing alone outside the paint because there's no reason to respect his outside shot.
    Most sites I have visited have him listed at 6'9...sounds like you are ready to sell him short before he even has a chance. I am not sure where you get the idea that about him having no skills besides being "athletic."

    I also think you have the wrong idea about how he will be used. He is a PF, so he will be probably be backing up Duncan and not playing with him. He will play with the second unit where most of the offense will come from Hill and Manu. His primary duty on offense will be to be available around the rim when Manu drives and draws attention and to get offensive boards(he averages almost 5 per game). He will also be useful in our transition game. On defense, his rim defense/shot blocking will be used to deter guard penetration(a huge problem for us when Duncan is out). The jury is still out on whether or not he can guard bigger forwards/centers, but that job will probably fall more on Duncan and Thomas' shoulders.

    He is certainly flawed(no outside shot), but once we get beyond the deadline these are the only types of players that will be available. If Coach Snyder(who I would think is far better at assessing players then you or I) thinks he has potential at the next level then I see nothing wrong with giving him a 10 day.

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    Pops can also be new TP's target for Alley Oops... we don;t have that kind of player nowadays on our roster...

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    Pops can also be new TP's target for Alley Oops... we don;t have that kind of player nowadays on our roster...
    I didn't even realize until last night that Parker was capable of throwing an oop.

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    Most sites I have visited have him listed at 6'9...sounds like you are ready to sell him short before he even has a chance. I am not sure where you get the idea that about him having no skills besides being "athletic."

    I also think you have the wrong idea about how he will be used. He is a PF, so he will be probably be backing up Duncan and not playing with him. He will play with the second unit where most of the offense will come from Hill and Manu. His primary duty on offense will be to be available around the rim when Manu drives and draws attention and to get offensive boards(he averages almost 5 per game). He will also be useful in our transition game. On defense, his rim defense/shot blocking will be used to deter guard penetration(a huge problem for us when Duncan is out). The jury is still out on whether or not he can guard bigger forwards/centers, but that job will probably fall more on Duncan and Thomas' shoulders.

    He is certainly flawed(no outside shot), but once we get beyond the deadline these are the only types of players that will be available. If Coach Snyder(who I would think is far better at assessing players then you or I) thinks he has potential at the next level then I see nothing wrong with giving him a 10 day.
    While I certainly respect Quin Snyder's basketball knowledge I think we also need to respect the knowledge of 30 NBA GM's and coaches who thus far have not agreed with Quin about Pops' NBA potential. If Pops were truly 6-9 and skilled he'd be on an NBA roster right now.

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    The Spurs don't throw alley oops OH NOES!!!

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    While I certainly respect Quin Snyder's basketball knowledge I think we also need to respect the knowledge of 30 NBA GM's and coaches who thus far have not agreed with Quin about Pops' NBA potential. If Pops were truly 6-9 and skilled he'd be on an NBA roster right now.
    Yeah, if your not drafted, then your not an NBA Player!

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    Yeah, if your not drafted, then your not an NBA Player!

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    But if you dominate in the D-league you are!

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    While I certainly respect Quin Snyder's basketball knowledge I think we also need to respect the knowledge of 30 NBA GM's and coaches who thus far have not agreed with Quin about Pops' NBA potential. If Pops were truly 6-9 and skilled he'd be on an NBA roster right now.
    He has only played 4 games total...dating back to Jan. 30. Between then and now most teams that are looking to add players are doing the same thing the Spurs are doing, looking to make a move before the deadline. They are not considering D-League players, especially not players like Pops that are basically depth moves and not impact players. He will probably get a look after the deadline...hopefully by us.

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    FWIW, at a pre-draft camp in 2006, Pops measured 6'7.5" without shoes and 6'9" with shoes. The "with shoes" measurement is what you typically see listed on rosters. Usually shoes add about 1.25 inches, but apparently Pops shoes were slightly beefier.

    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...urements-1349/

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    While I certainly respect Quin Snyder's basketball knowledge I think we also need to respect the knowledge of 30 NBA GM's and coaches who thus far have not agreed with Quin about Pops' NBA potential. If Pops were truly 6-9 and skilled he'd be on an NBA roster right now.
    Though in his favor is the fact that he was a borderline nba player already with above average athleticism, and then went and played in Europe for a couple of years where he had to work on his fundamentals. Plus he's still young.

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    Amazing how Mensah-Bonsu's stats are nearly identical to those of Courtney Sims, and there are posters here talking up Bonsu who just 3 weeks ago were saying Sims' D-league stats don't mean because it's the d-league. That's a homer for ya!

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    I've got no problems with the Toros hanging on to this guy. By all means, keep him. Work with him. Try and turn him into something the Spurs can use. But isn't the immediate concern is finding someone who, in just three short months from now, you can ask to go guard Bynum or Gasol for even just a couple of minutes and not worry about him getting killed out there? If so, is Pops really the best guy out there who can fill that role? I don't think he is. If Pop & RC do, so be it. I'll be rooting for the chance to have my face rubbed in it for not believing in the guy.

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    It's true that most D League players are not going to play in the nba, but I think RC, coach Pop and their staff have found players that others have missed in the past and will continue to do so. Hill and Mason have proven it again this year-- the Spurs are simply better at evaluating talent than most teams.

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    Amazing how Mensah-Bonsu's stats are nearly identical to those of Courtney Sims, and there are posters here talking up Bonsu who just 3 weeks ago were saying Sims' D-league stats don't mean because it's the d-league. That's a homer for ya!
    Or it could be they have completely different games?

    Nah.

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    It's true that most D League players are not going to play in the nba, but I think RC, coach Pop and their staff have found players that others have missed in the past and will continue to do so. Hill and Mason have proven it again this year-- the Spurs are simply better at evaluating talent than most teams.

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