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    http://www.euroleague.net/news/i/44611/180/item

    Euroleague clubs and representatives of national leagues met today in the Italian capital to advance debate on the strategic plan for the 2009-12 period that was first presented in Berlin in July 2008.

    An evolution of this plan was presented that would permit a greater consensus across Europe and would allow for greater participation from teams and national leagues that do not currently have access to the compe ion.

    The proposal was supported by 20 clubs and 3 of the leagues represented in Tuesday’s meeting where an agreement on the direction of the proposal presented was reached. Votes against the proposal came from 2 clubs and 2 leagues. This overwhelming consensus in favour of the strategic plan signifies another step towards creating the necessary stability for the continued positive growth of the Euroleague.

    As part of these developments, the compe ion would consist of five phases: Qualifying Rounds, Regular Season, Top 16, Playoffs, and Final Four.

    The proposal discussed would allow double the number of national champions to participate in the top European compe ion compared to the current format, by opening the Euroleague up to 30 teams when including the Qualifying Rounds.

    * The Qualifying Rounds would be played by 8 teams, of which 2 would qualify for the Regular Season.
    * The Regular Season would be played by 24 teams: 13 having long-term A Licences, 10 having one-year B Licences (including the 2 teams from the Qualifying Rounds), and the Eurocup champion having a one-year C Licence. This will be revised and evaluated in the summer of 2012.
    * The A Licences would go to the 13 top-ranked teams since the 2002-03 season, when the compe ion was consolidated with 24 teams per year, according to the following ranking parameters: 60% sports results, 30% TV income generated in their markets, and 10% arena attendance.
    * The champions in at least 12 national leagues, if not more, would have their presence in the Euroleague guaranteed with the possibility of obtaining a one-year B Licence based solely on sports results in their domestic championships. The runners-up and third-place teams from three of the highest-rated national leagues according to a separate ranking would also have options to obtain a B Licence. If, however, a Euroleague team with an A Licence wins its domestic le, that place would not go directly to the same country's runner-up, but rather to the next country on the ranking of national leagues, thus permitting more opportunities among countries and clubs.
    * The Eurocup champion would retain the current prize for winning that compe ion, namely a one-year C Licence. If a team qualifies as Eurocup champion and later wins its national championship, the team would go to the Euroleague as national champion and the Eurocup C Licence would become a wild card.

    Euroleague Basketball assembly in RomeThe strategic plan included proposals for promoting the Euroleague and optimizing its economic resources, including the television coverage and commercial assets of the compe ion. A business plan was presented including specific economic objectives and investments. These were considered highly important.

    Finally 23 out of the 30 members present agreed to create a Shareholders Executive Board formed by:

    * President, Jordi Bertomeu, Euroleague Basketball CEO
    * Asseco Prokom Sopot
    * CSKA Moscow
    * Efes Pilsen
    * Maccabi Electra Tel Aviv
    * Montepaschi Siena
    * Olympiacos Piraeus
    * Real Madrid
    * Tau Ceramica
    * ABA (Adriatic League)
    * BBL (Germany)
    * LEGA (Italy)
    * LNB (France).


    The goal of this board is to monitor and control the observance of the resolutions adopted by Shareholders Meetings.
    Tuesday, February 17, 2009

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    Did they finally pick up the globetrotters?

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    I'll bet any of our Top 10 college teams can hand their asses on a plate.

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    I'll bet any of our Top 10 college teams can hand their asses on a plate.
    Which explain why so many NBA players suck in Euroleague? You are true idiot.

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    Which explain why so many NBA players suck in Euroleague? You are true idiot.
    Didn't Trajon Langdon win player of the year or something in the Euroleague? The guy who wasn't the best player on his team in college and couldn't make an NBA roster? What about Anthony Parker, didn't he have a pretty decent career in Euroleague and struggled like to make it into the NBA? Just as many Euro players come into the NBA and suck ass, and marginal American talent has gone to Euroleague and dominated, so you are one truly idiot.

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    Didn't Trajon Langdon win player of the year or something in the Euroleague? The guy who wasn't the best player on his team in college and couldn't make an NBA roster? What about Anthony Parker, didn't he have a pretty decent career in Euroleague and struggled like to make it into the NBA? Just as many Euro players come into the NBA and suck ass, and marginal American talent has gone to Euroleague and dominated, so you are one truly idiot.
    No. Langdon has never won player of the year in Euroleague. And actually he did play in NBA so you are also wrong that he never made an NBA roster.

    Langdon has never dominated in Europe what is this some kind of joke you make?

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    No. Langdon has never won player of the year in Euroleague. And actually he did play in NBA so you are also wrong that he never made an NBA roster.

    Langdon has never dominated in Europe what is this some kind of joke you make?
    He was voted as a first team all-league player.

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    No. Langdon has never won player of the year in Euroleague. And actually he did play in NBA so you are also wrong that he never made an NBA roster.

    Langdon has never dominated in Europe what is this some kind of joke you make?
    Oh sorry, I meant Euroleague Finals MVP and First team All Euro league. Him being able to do that says everything about Euroleague.

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    He was voted as a first team all-league player.
    So he "dominated"

    Since when does 4th-5th best player on team of CSKA "dominate Euroleague"????

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    So he "dominated"

    Since when does 4th-5th best player on team of CSKA "dominate Euroleague"????
    Didn't they win the le with him being the best player on the team?

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    So he "dominated"

    Since when does 4th-5th best player on team of CSKA "dominate Euroleague"????
    Never said he dominated. Why don't you chill out and try to comprehend posts better? Or maybe you're too busy jerking Spanoulis off under the table?

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    Oh sorry, I meant Euroleague Finals MVP and First team All Euro league. Him being able to do that says everything about Euroleague.
    You have no idea what you even talk about here. Final four MVP is given only for play in last 2 games of year for team that wins championship. Most times is base on just last game. Is basically given to player that has most efficient stat line of final game by plus minus stat.

    First Euroleague team is given by online internet fans vote of 50% and by other 50% to player with highest plus minus by position on teams that make final four of Euroleague.

    This is nothing like NBA awards you dumbass. Trajan langdon has never at any time been anything more then at best maybe 4th best player on his own team.

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    Didn't they win the le with him being the best player on the team?


    Best player on CSKA? This is joke right?

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    Best player on CSKA? This is joke right?
    Thats why there was a question mark. I was curious, but you already answered my question in your last post.

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    Top 16 of Euroleague which is where main season begin because is after all the poor clubs leave like French teams and very small budget teams.


    Langdon had 2 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 steals in 25 minutes against Fenerbache and 5 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists in 16 minutes against Siena.

    He played less minutes against Siena because his team was blown out of game already within first quarter.

    NBA American fans have been saying for years how this player is dominant in Europe and is best player there and other craps. Is base on just pure fantasy and is complete joke.

    He is a good role player on CSKA which has been one of best teams in Europe. He is good role player as in player that hits open jump shots created by other players.

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    Top 16 of Euroleague which is where main season begin because is after all the poor clubs leave like French teams and very small budget teams.


    Langdon had 2 points, 2 rebounds, 0 assists, 2 steals in 25 minutes against Fenerbache and 5 points, 2 rebounds, 2 assists in 16 minutes against Siena.

    He played less minutes against Siena because his team was blown out of game already within first quarter.

    NBA American fans have been saying for years how this player is dominant in Europe and is best player there and other craps. Is base on just pure fantasy and is complete joke.

    He is a good role player on CSKA which has been one of best teams in Europe. He is good role player as in player that hits open jump shots created by other players.
    Then I guess i shouldnt have said dominated, my mistake. Very successful would have been more suitable. But I thought Parker had done quite well for himself over there as well.

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    Then I guess i shouldnt have said dominated, my mistake. Very successful would have been more suitable. But I thought Parker had done quite well for himself over there as well.
    Parker was much better than Langdon. Langdon is always 4-6 best player on his own team. Parker was however best player on Maccabi. But 2nd best player on Maccabi was Jasikevicius.

    You need understand in those days Euroleague was much poorer than now. It was only in maybe 4-5 years of existence and even huge clubs like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos had budgets of around 2.5 to 3 million. CSKA which is team Langdon play on had budget of maybe 4 million in those days. These are 3 biggest clubs in Europe.

    To be best player in league in those days is not same thing as now. To compare to now, Jasikevicius is maybe around 5-8 best player on Panathinaikos team now. In those days when Parker was in Europe even today's version of Jasikevicius would still be one of best players in Europe.

    But now he is just role player on a big club. he have same job he did with Pacers. Come off bench for 15-20 minutes and shoot open 3s and do nothing else really. And he is maybe worst defender of all guards in Greek league. But in time when Parker was in Europe he was consider one of best players.

    Just so you understand Olympiacos now have $60-70 million budget. Panathinaikos budget is like $43 million. CSKA have budget of around $46 million now.

    So Parker was great player in Europe in era when biggest clubs spend maybe 2-4 million. Now compare to budgets of now? Parker would just be role player and nothing more in big club in Europe now.

    Look at Childress. Role player with 10 points and 5 rebounds and poor defense and worst shooter of the whole league probably. Pargo is 5 points and 3 assists average in Euroleague.

    In time when Parker played there these same players would be stars but not close to that now. It is like argue Mikan dominated NBA so now NBA suck because he dominated it when league was much worse than now.

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    Parker was much better than Langdon. Langdon is always 4-6 best player on his own team. Parker was however best player on Maccabi. But 2nd best player on Maccabi was Jasikevicius.

    You need understand in those days Euroleague was much poorer than now. It was only in maybe 4-5 years of existence and even huge clubs like Olympiacos and Panathinaikos had budgets of around 2.5 to 3 million. CSKA which is team Langdon play on had budget of maybe 4 million in those days. These are 3 biggest clubs in Europe.

    To be best player in league in those days is not same thing as now. To compare to now, Jasikevicius is maybe around 5-8 best player on Panathinaikos team now. In those days when Parker was in Europe even today's version of Jasikevicius would still be one of best players in Europe.

    But now he is just role player on a big club. he have same job he did with Pacers. Come off bench for 15-20 minutes and shoot open 3s and do nothing else really. And he is maybe worst defender of all guards in Greek league. But in time when Parker was in Europe he was consider one of best players.

    Just so you understand Olympiacos now have $60-70 million budget. Panathinaikos budget is like $43 million. CSKA have budget of around $46 million now.

    So Parker was great player in Europe in era when biggest clubs spend maybe 2-4 million. Now compare to budgets of now? Parker would just be role player and nothing more in big club in Europe now.

    Look at Childress. Role player with 10 points and 5 rebounds and poor defense and worst shooter of the whole league probably. Pargo is 5 points and 3 assists average in Euroleague.

    In time when Parker played there these same players would be stars but not close to that now. It is like argue Mikan dominated NBA so now NBA suck because he dominated it when league was much worse than now.
    Who is the best American right now in the Euroleague?

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    Who is the best American right now in the Euroleague?
    Best top 5 Americans in Euroleague at moment is probably players like

    Mike Batiste
    Josh Childress
    JR Holden
    Terrell McIntyre
    Jannero Pargo

    I will guess something like this. Batiste is probably best of all these players.

    This is him in youtube:


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    Best top 5 Americans in Euroleague at moment is probably players like

    Mike Batiste
    Josh Childress
    JR Holden
    Terrell McIntyre
    Jannero Pargo

    I will guess something like this.
    Pargo huh? How has his transition been to Euroleague? I was wondering how he would do. I also heard that before he got hurt, Childress was playing reall well.

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    Parker has always been an incredibly under-rated NBA player. Except this season, when his decline was steep. But in his prime he was a very good player: excellent perimeter defender, great shooter, heady play, good passer, good ball-handler, some shot-creation skills. It's no coincidence that Toronto's debacle happened when he suddenly lost 2 steps.

    This kind of conversation is childish and bizarre. Of course the NBA has much more quality and talent than the European Leagues, no comparison. Comparing the Euroleague to the NCAA is even more crazy.

    The important thing to notice is that the games are different, so the skill-set one needs to be successful is also different. Some players have relatively more success in the NBA than in Europe and vice-versa. Guys like Saras or Langdon are clearly more adapted to the European game. It's different with players like Pietrus, Childress or Bowen. They wouldn't be, aren't or weren't better in Europe than in the NBA in spite of the overall talent being smaller.

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    Anyway, it's weird to call this an expansion. Some more teams will be playing a qualifying round, but the number of teams playing the regular season will remain the same. The biggest difference is that the EL will start being a semi-closed league, but that's old news.

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    Doesn't sound like they are expanding to 30 teams. They're having an 8 team qualifying round, with the top 2 teams getting to participate in the regular season, which is still going to be 24 teams.

    I don't actually know how the current 24 teams are decided, but it sounds like they are just changing up the process of choosing the 24 teams, not really expanding.

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    mogrovejo beat me to it

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    don't forget about the Gist, which we have on ice in Europe

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