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Ray Lewis probably killed someone, now he's set to become one of the highest paid linebackers in the league.
LT snorted up a country's worth of cocaine and what not . . . the er is a Hall of Famer.
Yea, the NFL hates him.
Ray Lewis probably killed someone, now he's set to become one of the highest paid linebackers in the league.
I have been up for 36 straight hours, not all of the lines on the map are leading me back home at the moment.
Pacman got chance after chance and the Cowboys even picked him up. He only got a 1 year suspension for his possible involvement in the someone's DEATH, and that was after the fact that he went to a ty bar AFTER the Comish told him not to do any of that .
Matter of fact, he can still play ball with any team this coming season.
Yea, the NFL hates black folk.
I could go on, but I'm bored now.
terrible comparison. if benson had ever averaged 4 yards per carry in chicago, he'd have kept his job.
there's a sliding scale of how good a player is vs. how much the organization is willing to put up with.
forget football, that's true at EVERY company. you're top salesman can get away with a lot more than the janitor.
If they gave him a punishment that you would have been happy with, it wouldn't have served as any kind of a deterrent for the crime. Yes, he was made an example of - because somebody needed to be made an example of. This crap has gone on for too long unpunished.
Nobody's saying that anyone has to love dogs. Nobody is saying that anyone has to own dogs. The only thing here is that you're not allowed to torture and fight them for your own sick amusement.
And there is a HIGH correlation between those who abuse animals and those who will abuse people. So if you need a better reason than the welfare of the animals to enforce this law - there you go. People who use creativity to torture and kill dogs (you dogs were screaming during some of these executions) are displaying high levels of sociopathy and an inability to feel empathy for others.
Our society values canines as workers, guards, even life-savers, and companions. You got a problem with that, try to change the rules - but you're in a vast minority.
at least.
thats not what was happening...it can't be compared. that being said, i'll go ahead and answer that stupid question.
i would want to know the entire situation, all the variables if you will. but, if i had a dog and you killed it randomly...i would kick the crap out of you and be upset. after that...i'd probably get a new one. but no way you deserve jail time...an ass kicking and perhaps a fine at most. another thing i just have to say, there isn't much risk of someone killing another person's dog if the owner is properly taking care of it...period.
horrible comparison.
no. its not difficult to differentiate between humans and other animals.
these rings steal household pets to use as "bait" dogs. how is that not comparable?
as for your 'ass kicking and a fine' punishment - i agree wholeheartedly - and that's what Vick got. an ass raping and a million dollar fine.
when i was younger, we had a puppy who was killed because some asshole tossed a piece of poisoned meat in the backyard. would you say that we didn't take care of that dog? i'll tell you this, if i ever found out who that asshole was, i'd be the one going to prison.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 02-17-2009 at 02:51 PM.
who said anything about an inability to differentiate? it's not about an inability to differentiate.
people who can torture animals show a lack of empathy - a sign of a sociopath. people who enjoy watching animals suffer are much less likely to have any level of compassion for their fellow man. that doesn't mean that they'll automatically become murderers, but they don't possess some of the psychological barriers towards taking a life that most of us were born with.
there are literally hundreds of psychological studies that back this up. an unsettling large percentage of murderers, rapists, and serial killers began with animal cruelty. but whatever, you're smarter.
1) i have yet to see any evidence that Michael Vick's dog fighting ring stole household pets. though, i heard they picked up some loose dogs...thats hardly taking care of your animal
* on a side - has there been any other case where people got so many facts wrong. further, what the are the facts of the case? lol, nobody seems to have taken the time to read the full report
2) you picked, perhaps, the one example that defies the logic, "if you take care of your pet and are responsible...harm will not follow." but to be fair, i still don't know all the variables of that case and its still highly unlikely
3) what happened to vick was not just
first of all, we are talking about Michael Vick and his case and punishment. second, any case involving this type of situation would have to be dealt with on an individual basis. that being said, sure, i could see how some might graduate from animal cruelty to lack of human compassion and i know what type of studies and cases you are referring. but, i can also see how there would be no connection whatsoever and bringing that into michael vick's situation is irrelevant. what criminal background does he have? michael vick isn't hurting other people. he fought and tortured some dogs...dogs...not humans. dogs. a man's freedom is worth much more than some dogs livelihood.
are you getting too caught up in the sentimental side of things?
Vick's punishment is on the low end of the punishments available for the crime to which he pled guilty. And his sentence was increased by his own unwillingness to cooperate with investigators insofar as he at least misrepresented his participation in some of the activities and may have overtly lied to investigators -- he did, after all, fail a lie detector test after his plea and before his sentencing. He also didn't help his cause by lying about drug use -- a fact corroborated by a failed drug test.
For a crime -- and the law defines Vick's conduct as a crime -- that carries a 60 month maximum sentence, Vick was in line to get a very light sentence. He has himself -- and only himself -- to blame for the fact that he's been in prison for as long as this.
I happen to think the punishment fits the crime. I'm inclined to think that instead of arguing that Vick should have gotten less time because of the punishments in cases involving harm to humans, the better argument is that those who are convicted of causing harm to humans should get stiffer sentences.
Frankly, I think our civilized society is becoming more and more desensitized to barbarism and needless violence. The indifference to Vick's conduct strikes me as a manifestation of that -- as does the indifference to the violence that humans visit upon each other. Vick's sentence won't change it, but it did at least slow the erosion for a moment in time.
that's a ing ridiculous argument. i could say that a man's freedom is worth more than $10,000. but if i break into your house and steal $10,000 from you, I'm going to jail for a long time.
let's not pretend that this case has put dogs on the same level as people. if michael vick and tortured and killed human beings, he never would have seen the light of day again. as it is, he lost one year of his life and a boatload of money.
as i said, we live in a society where dogs are revered as workers, helpers, and friends. many people depend on dogs for their livelihood and you don't have to search too hard to find a story of a dog saving a person's life. the average dog treats people better than the average person does.
nobody's saying that anyone has to have a dog. nobody's saying that you have to love dogs. the only thing the law says is that you can't torture and/or kill them for your own sick amusement. Evidently, that was just too hard for Michael Vick not to do. he put himself in this situation. he WILLFULLY broke the law. bad things happen when you do that.
if you want to argue a case that's unjust, let's talk about Marcus Dixon or Timothy Cole. Michael Vick got off easy.
Last edited by K-State Spur; 02-17-2009 at 06:28 PM.
That's exactly right.
i'm aware it could have been much worse, that doesn't mean it should have been or that he got off light. any system that causes a man to lose significant amounts of money (proportionately speaking) and get 2 years in prison for fighting and maybe torturing some dogs is ed. thats how i feel and its never going to change.
are you referring to him lying about marijuana use?
actually, i tend to agree with your last sentiments, but thats b/c men in this country have become huge babies and the news is completely depressing.
Adolf Vick?
1) i like animals, i like dogs, i like cats even more...but i also know their place in this life
2) your counter argument was ridiculous and completely different. you are breaking into someones house, possibly encountering them, possibly putting them or yourself in danger, and robbing them...much worse, imo
how about raiding pension funds then? no risk of bodily danger in that. still talking about $ vs. a man's freedom.
while it is true that some people got off too easily for that, there are many others than are serving long sentences. which is obviously ridiculous according to you - a man's freedom is worth more than a few thousand dollars a year...
that argument sucks. pick another one.
which you could argue is to serve mankind. what it's not is to suffer for the sick enjoyment of a few twisted individuals. ANYBODY who enjoys that sort of thing has a few wires crossed upstairs.
i'm not the bleeding heart that i'm probably coming across as - but dogfighting is COMPLETELY unnecessary (let alone the creative executions that Vick and his cronies participated in). it is very very very easy not to engage in this activity.
Saw today the 49ers might give him a shot. Good fit,Vick is used to now.
you're the one who put a price tag on it and used a poor example...not me. as for raiding pension funds, again, that is much different. you're robbing humans of their hard earned money. for the most part, money is needed to live.
1) not necessarily
2) i could enjoy a good dog fight, ever watched a bear fight a puma?
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