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I'm not the begging kind..but I have to say..as a lifelong Spurs fan...please...PLEASE pick up a big. We need one if we plan on getting aAnd I plan on getting one.
Nate robinson - 5 foot 9 PG - 10 Rebounds
Mat Bonner - 6 foot 10 C - 8 Rebounds
the Vince carter talk, get a big man.
I'm not the begging kind..but I have to say..as a lifelong Spurs fan...please...PLEASE pick up a big. We need one if we plan on getting a
big man doesn't change anything tonight..
Kurt was fine..
the perimeter D was the problem..
Again.
How many games Pop will wait to put Bruce back in the starting 5
I've been asking for more Bowen and less Finley for over a month now..I don't know what it'll take for it to happen..I understand he's saving him for the playoffs, but we need defensive chemistry..
The defense will be pathetic as long as you have Bonner and Finley getting most of the minutes.
Wait till Bowen and a defensive big get in the lineup.
Exactly. I know he wanted to get "young" and get more offense and whatnot, but damn...when Bruce gets hot on the perimeter, he can score too..Bruce has started during our last 3 le seasons...it's a formula that works..stick with it.
There really is no hope in reaching the finals without a 2nd quality big.
Seriously. None.
I don't know why didn't Kurt return in the game...He was playing really good...But no, we needed Bonner who did in there. this!
GET WALLACE!!!
I didn't see the game, but guards getting rebounds is generally the fault of the other guards/small forwards, not the big men. As for Bonner, I think everyone would love it if he averaged 8 rebounds per game; that number is not a problem.
All this being said, I do think the Spurs need another big man above any other needs, but the numbers used to start this thread aren't a reason.
Bowen PT wasn't the issue. It's the zero net results we get from Finley, on so many nights. When his perimeter J isn't there, he's worthless on both ends. Yet the only one who doesn't seem to see this is Pop.
we couldnt score down the strech either. Thats where Carter comes in!
Kurt was fine. But you can't play Kurt 35+ minutes every game. Duncan is a defensive presence in the paint, Thomas to a lesser extent is as well. But those two are it. The Spurs need another big who can fill some of those minutes that Duncan and Thomas can't play.
We actually out-rebounded the Knicks overall. The problem tonight was actually perimeter defense.
Maybe Pop is thinking about trading Bonner and just wanted to get another look at his D at the end of the game?
That's not difficult against the Knicks.The opposing teams had more rebounds every night.
They average more rebounds per game than us only because they shoot more than any other team of the league. (7 more FGA pg than us)
+1. perimeter defense sucked. nate getting offensive boards meant we did not boxed him out well.
we definitely need another big, I'm obviously for it..but it's overrated around here..
another big isn't going to change our poor D..it starts on the perimeter..
It is overrated to a certain extent, but there is some meat to the argument. Was Boston's success against the Lakers last year more because of their perimeter defense or their length in the paint? We've been abused in the paint all year and while I'll concede that Oberto and Thomas can help, they're still overmatched against tall, athletic players. Not to mention that it seems opposing guards get to the rim too much against us this year (not just saying that based off tonight's game.)
of course that's true..but there's a strong possibility that we won't be able to acquire another significant big..so we need to improve within the team, and it starts on the perimeter..it's not like we don't have the pieces..
That's where Manu comes in!
This season shows us how important of a role Bruce Bowen played the past several years. Perimeter defense was always a constant. It is more important(and easier) to find a defensive presence on the perimeter than it is to find a defensive anchor who will probably have stone hands.
I don't know the parameters of what a "significant big" is, but I'll take one that is quick enough to stay in front of taller players and help on weakside defense. I have no clue if Pops could fit that role, but given available trade options with what we have to trade I'd say it's worth a try. I could be wrong, but it seems our perimeter defense is suffering right now because of the sagging defense that we're playing while trying to help in the paint.
I'm with you. In fact I think there's more meat to this than to the arguement about the perimeter. That's not to say that the perimeter D isn't a concern, nor that playing Bruce an extra 10-15 minutes a night wouldn't help things immensely. But I do have to wonder whether what we're seeing happening out on the perimeter this year is really the perimeter defenders being worse than years past or if it is just us noticing it more because there's no one under the basket erasing defensive mistakes made outside?
I have a hard time believing that Tony Parker is a worse defender today than he was yesterday. I also have a hard time believing that Roger Mason isn't as good a defender as Brent Barry. I think Manu is the same (i.e. good), and I think it's hard to guage Finley because he spends a lot of his time having to play defense down low against big 3's/small 4's. All this is JMO, but looking at this I have a hard time saying we're worse on the perimeter than we were previously. So the problem has to be with the lack of a second big.
One thing is for certain, the lack of a second big has certainly limited Tim Duncan's defensive influence on the game. Tim can't freelance on defense nearly as much as he has in the past because he's having to guard opponents primary frontcourt scorers, and teams are finding it easier to pull Tim out of the paint and just run plays on the opposite side of the court. It's no coincidence that Tim's blocks per game dropped significantly once Rasho left.
so do you guys consider Fab Oberto to be an "interior presence"? because we were an elite defensive team with him starting..he averaged 0.2 blocks per game last season..
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