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this article makes a great case for getting carter, and i definitely don't want to give up mason to get him.
Gin-sanity: Why Spurs are looking
Buck Harvey
NEW YORK — The Spurs have been nosing around Vince Carter for most of the season, going over the numbers, re-evaluating the details. When they know there's no way around the numbers and details.
Taking on Carter's contract would be a risk in this economy. It would risk everything the Spurs have been for a decade, too.
But they've kept nosing, and Tuesday offered an explanation. Then the Knicks doubled Tim Duncan, and the other Spurs struggled to score, and the player they needed was back in San Antonio.
This is part of the Vinsanity equation: Do the Spurs need an option if Manu Ginobili can't hold up?
Ginobili's good ankle is sore now, and maybe it's nothing. Maybe he's on his way to Detroit.
But the other ankle snuck up on everyone last year, too, and the timing is odd. After scoring 32 points in the previous game in Toronto, after resting during the All-Star break, Ginobili was too sore to even make the trip?
If this were another player on another team, there would be su ions of a rented moped.
The Spurs can't blame their second consecutive loss on his absence. Had a Duncan turnaround at the end of regulation bounced in, the Spurs would have seen the night as further proof that they know how to win when things aren't right.
One aspect that wasn't right: Tony Parker left his jumper at the All-Star Game.
Nate Robinson left nothing in Phoenix. He vaulted over Dwight Howard there and the Spurs here. And after Richardson put in 32 points against the Spurs, including a half dozen in overtime, Parker summed it up.
“He was the opposite of me,” Parker admitted.
This is what happens when the Big Three drops to a Big One. The best way to attack Mike D'Antoni's non-defense isn't to fire from outside. Ginobili would have taken care of that, as would have an expensive athlete who doesn't live far from Madison Square Garden.
At first glance, Carter looks like the kind of overly paid and underachieving star the Spurs have beaten for more than a decade. Most think he's related to Tracy McGrady by both blood and heart, and there's a strike against him that execs in the NBA still wonder about.
Jason Kidd had problems playing with Carter, when Kidd rarely has problems with anyone who plays hard.
Still, the talent is there, and the Spurs saw that last week. Then Carter stretched out with the ball in his palm as he drove, doing things no Spurs player can do. He scored 25 points in New Jersey's loss.
He also has size for a wing player, meaning he would help the Spurs rebound. His ego is manageable. He can pass. And he has the kind of Kobe-LeBron body that might come in handy against Kobe-LeBron.
He's been durable, too. He missed a game earlier this month, before the Nets played the Spurs. But that made 11 games missed — in four years in New Jersey.
And then there's this note, as recorded by 82games.com: Carter is second only to LeBron James in game-winning shots over the last half-dozen seasons. James has 17 in 50 attempts, Carter 16 in 51.
The Spurs have their own reasons to like him, too. Duncan has only so many more years left, and the Spurs want to make sure they maximize them. Carter would also ease the burden on Duncan, especially on nights such as Tuesday when Duncan played almost 40 minutes.
As for Gin-sanity: An additional impact player might ease the wear on Ginobili, too.
Other teams see the same, which is why the trade is somewhere in the 10 percent range of happening for the Spurs. The Nets would struggle to match bodies with the Spurs, and both the Rockets and Blazers are involved with easier pieces to move.
The Rockets saw Tuesday night what is possible. Then Carter scored 30 points in Houston.
Still, the Spurs keep nosing around, knowing all the drawbacks, knowing how damaging Carter's massive contract could be. They don't want to inhibit later signings, and they don't want to pay the NBA's luxury tax, and they don't want to give up a carload of players.
But they don't like playing without Ginobili, either.
this article makes a great case for getting carter, and i definitely don't want to give up mason to get him.
Thank you Duncan228, you are always finding these articles for read
as I've said many times already..
we don't have a legit shot at Vince..our offer sucks..
Portland is apparently in the mix now, and their offer is much better..
Vince Carter is washed up and just as ing injury prone as Manu. Now, I'm actually on the scoff side of the Manu spectrum, I make no secret of that, but trading him for VC would piss me off far beyond driven.
Vince Carter, keep your Bowen-Owned whiney ass on the east coast, where the rest of them belong.
Vince Carter has missed 11 games in 4 years, but he's injury prone? right..
Just in case no one's seen it, here's something else I just saw:
Vince swirls in trade winds
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
BY AL IANNAZZONE
NorthJersey.com
STAFF WRITER
HOUSTON – Vince Carter practiced at the Toyota Center on Monday. He may be calling this building home later in the week. The Nets and Rockets have exchanged trade proposals and continue to talk, according to league sources and sources close to the Nets. One scenario has Carter and Josh Boone going to Houston for Ron Artest, Carl Landry and Luther Head.
But another Texas team remains very much alive in the Carter sweepstakes. The San Antonio Spurs’ package for Carter would include Roger Mason Jr., George Hill and Bruce Bowen, the sources said. The Nets would have to make other moves to clear roster room for the additional players they take back.
Nothing is imminent at this point, but the trade deadline is Thursday. Things are expected to heat up before then.
"It’s one of those things you can’t control," Carter said. "They know how I feel about being here, how I’m happy here, the whole nine [yards].
"If it happens it happens. I do my job regardless."
Carter, who could play one of his last games as a Net here tonight, was the subject of numerous trade rumors over All-Star Weekend. The three Texas teams and Cleveland have shown the most interest in the Nets’ best player.
General manager Kiki Vandeweghe has spoken to Carter about what’s happening, an indication that something could transpire. The Nets share the same affinity for Carter as he does for them. They don’t want to trade him, but if they do, it likely would be for economic reasons first.
The Nets are losing millions and Carter is guaranteed $33.6 million for the next two seasons with a $4.5 million partial guarantee for 2010-11.
Artest is in the final year of his contract. Landry, a tough second-year power forward, makes $3 million next year and has a team option for the 2010-11 season. Head, a fourth-year point guard, can be a free agent after this season.
It makes sense for the Rockets. They need another scorer with Tracy McGrady battling a knee injury. Taking Artest could be risky for the Nets because of his checkered past. But the mercurial forward wants to show he’s worthy of a big payday, so he could play hard and be on his best behavior.
The Nets, who are in Dallas on Wednesday, also have spoken to the Mavericks. The Nets probably don’t want to help the Mavericks, though. New Jersey owns Dallas’ first-round pick in 2010 from the Jason Kidd trade and wouldn’t want to lessen its value.
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/39699777.html
Vinsanity on the spurs may not be that disastrous as people may think. this article makes some sense of it.
I noticed this too.
I still say it would be a terrible decision to give Mason. Carter is known to give up on games and seems like the kind of player that is just in the NBA to get paid. I will be incredibly surprised if we actually trade for him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the Spurs chase the overpriced luxury item (Carter) and sacrifice Hil and Mason in the process, they're bigger fools that I ever thought they were.
I hope this is all a smokescreen and they're really targeting Salmons in true CIA fashion.
i say you do the fukn trade, reason being the talent in the nba is still developing mainly the young players, while the dinosaurs on our team the comparison between them and what the opposing team has on its roster is still a big stretch favoring us.
this is driving me nuts. i hope the deadline is over and done with already.
VC. No way I give both Mason and Hill for him. If we could trade cheap spare ass parts for him ala Finley, Udoka, Vaughn... like that...then I do it. But of course, not gonna happen.
you guys can keep saying you don't wanna give up Mason or Hill, but NJ doesn't want them, so it's not happening either way..our players aren't as attractive to other teams, as they are to us..
o.k., so maybe you don't like the trade... but to maintain that Carter wouldn't be an upgrade over Mason, is insanity.
vinsanity even...
I also hope this is all just a cover by the CIA in SA..
*1st post*
pop is tapping those phone lines as we speak.....
I won't like to see Mason going to Nets, I like this guy
No way Pop gives up the "youth" he's been trying to get and put Holt in the luxury tax. Just not the way they do things.
Smokescreen for a big.
I doubt this happens. But I can't believe how naive some Spurs fans are. They actually don't want to get better becasue somehow going after a superstar and actually getting him would ruin some "cia" bull . Duncan still has a few years left as an elite player and I think it would be ty repayment to him after all he has done for this franchise to give him little help in his last years. The Spurs got lucky with Parker and Manu but who else? Not to say that i'm not happy with Roger Mason. I just would rather wait and see what he does in the playoffs before I pat our front office on the back too much. But it would still be silly to insist that Carter is not a HUGE upgrade.
Carter is an enormously, talented offensive player. Only an idiot would believe he wouldn't be an upgrade. However, the goal isn't to assemble the best talent. If that were the case, the Dallas Cowboys would dominate the NFL football landscape. No. The goal is to assemble the best core of players that fit the style, culture and salary structure of your team. That is how smart teams do it. This is how the Spurs have been successful. They've resisted the temptation of chasing the biggest name free agent dijour. Like the Suns, Mavericks and others.
It's great to have star players - and the Spurs have their Big Three. However, role players, and their consistent contributions, are just as essential to team success and championship contention. The Spurs are not guaranteed success simply by adding a borderline superstar, who has a double-digit salary and can't play defense.
Yea thats not what you said last time...
anyways,
Chris Broussard on ESPN said that the Spurs are pursuing Richard Jefferson now....take it for what its worth i guess....
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