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As I've stated in other threads, the Spurs would be big fools in that they've filled a void with Mason and Hill. Now they're going to re-create the same void by trading them away. I just don't see the Spurs FO as being that damn foolish.
Mason + Hill + Horry? Sold. If Ginobili's ankle injury is legit can they really count on him for the next 3 seasons? I'm not sure how Carter is so old at age 32 while Ginobili, only six months younger, has so much more time left on his body. Lest we forget that ankle...
As I've stated in other threads, the Spurs would be big fools in that they've filled a void with Mason and Hill. Now they're going to re-create the same void by trading them away. I just don't see the Spurs FO as being that damn foolish.
If Manu's out for the season, moving Mason and Hill for Carter is a no-brainer; though I'd tell them they can have Horry and not Bowen+Oberto to make salaries match.
So the Spurs build the perfectly balanced team and don't make it out of the West, again.
Do you trust Manu's ankle to hold up for the next 2 to 3 seasons? But hey, at least they got that 10 minutes a night at point covered...
The only one with a say as to who can have Horry is Horry.
Any combo of Udoka, Vaughn, Horrys corpse, Oberto, and Bowen RIGHT at the deadline for either VC OR RJ and I am good.
Hey Rob, wanna fly to X one day for a million bucks? You won't even have to stay overnight.
Maybe he says yes. Maybe he says no thanks, I think I'll go sign with with a playoff contender and work on ring #8.
Also, IIRC Van Horn had to hang around with the Nets the rest of the year.
I agree, Senor Spur!
They have filled a void with those two players and it would make no sense to give those up right now even for VC.
Like I've posted before....the real reason the Spurs didn't get to the Finals last year because they didn't have enough offensive firepower outside of the Big 3.
And they've been able to score the ball this season...yes their defense has suffered somewhat.
But its nice to see the ball go into the basket with some regularly!!!
Van Horn had to be there 30 days I think. I'm guessing Rob won't have any problem sitting on a bench and watching a game 12 or 13 times for $5 million or so.
Very true.I agree, Senor Spur!
They have filled a void with those two players and it would make no sense to give those up right now even for VC.
Like I've posted before....the real reason the Spurs didn't get to the Finals last year because they didn't have enough offensive firepower outside of the Big 3.
And they've been able to score the ball this season...yes their defense has suffered somewhat.
But its nice to see the ball go into the basket with some regularly!!!
Now if they could just add a player that would help them shore up their perimeter defense.
Maybe, maybe not. Rob's made good money over the years. Maybe the chance for ring #8 is worth more than that.
In any event, the point I was trying to make is that I think it's a mistake to just assume that Horry will automatically agree to go to whatever crap team we're trying to heist a player from.
I think the Spurs are re ed for not wanting to deal both Mason and Hill.
Rob's got a lot of rings too though. The fact that he hasn't signed anywhere yet seems to point to him knowing he could be in for a nice payday for nothing if the Spurs need to match salary.
They are not re ed for not wanting to deal Mason and Hill.
For reasons posted by Senor Spur and myself earlier....they have filled a void that was lacking for the past several seasons with these two players.
To give up these two players would create that void again and even if they got VC...you can't play him 48 minutes a night and you would lose your backcourt depth.
Everyone at the end of last season was saying that the Spurs needed to get younger and they did that. Now, people want their younger players (who have played very well) to be traded.
That's crazy!!
I also think they're re ed for not trading Hill and Mason.
I agree. These two were key components while Manu was out before and give us a much deeper team when he is healthy. VC would be a nice over the top extra, but another athletic big would still be better. Without Manu, it will be tough no matter who they pull in. The guy is a wonder.They are not re ed for not wanting to deal Mason and Hill.
For reasons posted by Senor Spur and myself earlier....they have filled a void that was lacking for the past several seasons with these two players.
To give up these two players would create that void again and even if they got VC...you can't play him 48 minutes a night and you would lose your backcourt depth.
Everyone at the end of last season was saying that the Spurs needed to get younger and they did that. Now, people want their younger players (who have played very well) to be traded.
That's crazy!!
Nope, they are not!!
Take one step forward, take 18 steps backwards. Some of you are forgetting how long it takes for new players to integrate into the Spurs system. Maybe you're also forgetting how long it took for the Spurs to find an adequate backup PG (Hill) and another sharpshooter (Mason)?
Above all else, you don't fill a void, only to turn around and create the same void again. Not only is that bad management - it's just plain stupid.
Spurs fans over value their role players all the time. This is nothing new. RMJ is a good player, Hill is a decent prospect. Neither should be a deal breakker for Vince Carter.
Yep!
It makes perfect sense to me!!
If the Spurs are to do a deal for Carter or Jefferson, I'd hope they'd go for Carter. He's the better player, and with that last year of his only having 4 million guaranteed, his contract isn't as ridiculous as Jefferson's. (R.J. is anything but a bargain, in terms of talent to price tag)
The fact that these two have been reported on, to this extent, in terms of players the Spurs are targeting, though? Well, it leaves me hope, that the Spurs might end up stealing one of my favorite non-Spurs (and someone much more reasonably priced) Caron Butler.
, I haven't heard one damn thing about him being linked to the Spurs, and if history is any judge???
I guess a man can dream, right?
It's not about overvaluing the role players.
It's about the Spurs finally filling a void they needed to and trading them even for VC would take them several steps backwards.
The reason the Lakers are good isn't only because of Kobe, Gasol, and Odom. The 2nd unit is good also and you need that during the regular season and good role players are important during the playoffs.
It wasn't either. It was both. I guess you like Jacque Vaughn as the backup point guard and Michael Finley taking game deciding shots.
Thanks!
There is some common sense in this forum!!
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