Update... RJ talks Stalled, Vince deal dead...

[Mr. Body]

You can pick up a Mason or a Hill any time. Hill isn't even that valuable - maybe in a few years... How often can you get a Vince Carter? Maybe, maybe once in a decade?

This is a no-brainer.

[Mr. Body]

You have Carter, you have him for the next two years, too. You can fill in role players this summer and the next.

Look, Carter is the caliber of player Ginobili and Parker are. Mason and Hill? Definitely not.

[Holt's Cat]

It wasn't either. It was both. I guess you like Jacque Vaughn as the backup point guard and Michael Finley taking game deciding shots.

I like Vince Carter joining the Big 3 before the window closes.

[Shastafarian]

You have Carter, you have him for the next two years, too.

Those two years when he's making $33 million. No thanks. Not for a promising young guard and a guy who can hit shots under pressure.

[wisnub]

Well then the spurs are not going to win a championship plain and en simple, I hate to say it but its the truth.

Amen...

[Shastafarian]

I like Vince Carter joining the Big 3 before the window closes.

Can Vince play point guard? How about defense?

[SequSpur]

Vince Carter > George Gervin + Avery Johnson + Sean Elliott + Coyote + Dancing Usher...

anyone outside of duncan and parker should be moved to get this deal done.

[Shastafarian]

THERE IS NO DEAL!!!

Did that megathread not get through to anyone?

[Holt's Cat]

Can Vince play point guard? How about defense?

Neither of those two are great defenders. The Spurs managed to win a le with Brent Barry in the friggin' rotation.

So let's see...the Spurs should pass on the opportunity to add a top flight scoring wing because of a backup point guard and a lesser talented wing?

[MarHill]

You can pick up a Mason or a Hill any time. Hill isn't even that valuable - maybe in a few years... How often can you get a Vince Carter? Maybe, maybe once in a decade?

This is a no-brainer.

First of all...you have already judged Hill's career prematurely. I guess he's shown there was a reason the Spurs got him 26th in this year's draft.

Second, Mason has been everything this team ask for and more. And it's no brainer why the Spurs don't want to give up them.

But if you want Jacque Vaughn backing up TP...they will be same situation as last year.

And if you can good role players to fit your team so easily...then I have some beachfront property in North Dakota I want to sell you.

[Holt's Cat]

Lest we forget a rookie backup point who is still learning the position. I'm not sure why Hill is suddenly on track to make Springfield. Oh wait, it's February...

[Shastafarian]

Neither of those two are great defenders. The Spurs managed to win a le with Brent Barry in the friggin' rotation.

George Hill is one of the better defenders on the team. He makes mistakes but has loads of potential.

So let's see...the Spurs should pass on the opportunity to add a top flight scoring wing because of a backup point guard and a lesser talented wing?

Um, yeah. Oh wait I forgot Vince is known as an outstanding teammate who always gives it his all and never plays poorly! I'd rather have two good components than a risky and expensive gamble.

[Holt's Cat]

First of all...you have already judged Hill's career prematurely. I guess he's shown there was a reason the Spurs got him 26th in this year's draft.

Second, Mason has been everything this team ask for and more. And it's no brainer why the Spurs don't want to give up them.

But if you want Jacque Vaughn backing up TP...they will be same situation as last year.

And if you can good role players to fit your team so easily...then I have some beachfront property in North Dakota I want to sell you.

That's redneck dumb.

[Shastafarian]

Lest we forget a rookie backup point who is still learning the position. I'm not sure why Hill is suddenly on track to make Springfield. Oh wait, it's February...

Carter is a hall of famer? Damn, ya learn something new every day.

[Holt's Cat]

George Hill is one of the better defenders on the team. He makes mistakes but has loads of potential.

Matt Bonner has potential.

Um, yeah. Oh wait I forgot Vince is known as an outstanding teammate who always gives it his all and never plays poorly! I'd rather have two good components than a risky and expensive gamble.

I'll take a gamble that's put up 25 a night or whatever for his career and is the same age as old gimpy ankles Ginobili. What exactly are we waiting for? 2015?

[wisnub]

Those two years when he's making $33 million. No thanks. Not for a promising young guard and a guy who can hit shots under pressure.

I dont even know if you even read the actual thread...it is said Spurs is not willing to give up Mason or Hill....basically Spurs only offer scrubs or oldies

[Holt's Cat]

Carter is a hall of famer? Damn, ya learn something new every day.

Probably. Hill certainly is not. Neither is Mason. Win now, worry later.

[MarHill]

Neither of those two are great defenders. The Spurs managed to win a le with Brent Barry in the friggin' rotation.

So let's see...the Spurs should pass on the opportunity to add a top flight scoring wing because of a backup point guard and a lesser talented wing?

Uh..the Spurs wanted these players for a reason. They got younger...which everybody said they should do and they have filled that void.

Even if you got VC...you would still have the same problem that you addressed in the off-season. That makes no sense!

The Spurs should have went for him in the off-season then.

You must have some depth and to get rid of that and put your team in a tough financial spot by taking on VC's huge contract is crazy.

If they can get VC w/o those two players...then great!!

[MarHill]

Probably. Hill certainly is not. Neither is Mason. Win now, worry later.

It's easy to spend other people's money....

But it is a business and every team is trying to keep themselves from paying the luxury tax and the Spurs are no different!!

[MarHill]

I dont even know if you even read the actual thread...it is said Spurs is not willing to give up Mason or Hill....basically Spurs only offer scrubs or oldies

I do know that...but I just feel like debating people who think it's crazy for the Spurs to not include Mason and Hill in the deal for VC.

I can clearly see why the Spurs won't do it!

[Holt's Cat]

Uh..the Spurs wanted these players for a reason. They got younger...which everybody said they should do and they have filled that void.

Even if you got VC...you would still have the same problem that you addressed in the off-season. That makes no sense!

The Spurs should have went for him in the off-season then.

You must have some depth and to get rid of that and put your team in a tough financial spot by taking on VC's huge contract is crazy.

If they can get VC w/o those two players...then great!!

So because those players were marginal upgrades over who they replaced the Spurs shouldn't trade them? So let's see...would I rather have someone who plays 10 minutes a night or someone who can play 35+ and give you 20 a night from the wing, especially considering that your scoring wing threat is having recurring ankle problems?

We saw what happened last postseason when the Spurs couldn't count on Ginobili. Hey Timmy, sorry we didn't get you enough firepower but isn't it nice to have George Hill for 10 minutes a night?

[Holt's Cat]

It's easy to spend other people's money....

But it is a business and every team is trying to keep themselves from paying the luxury tax and the Spurs are no different!!

ROFL. Which is why they've been after every high priced talent on the market this year. They are clearly out to make a move.

If you're a fan of the Spurs' financials, bully for you. I'd rather see them win.

[MarHill]

So because those players were marginal upgrades over who they replaced the Spurs shouldn't trade them? So let's see...would I rather have someone who plays 10 minutes a night or someone who can play 35+ and give you 20 a night from the wing, especially considering that your scoring wing threat is having recurring ankle problems?

We saw what happened last postseason when the Spurs couldn't count on Ginobili. Hey Timmy, sorry we didn't get you enough firepower but isn't it nice to have George Hill for 10 minutes a night?

Uh..Mason has shown he can drop 20 points a night. He did earlier this season when Manu was out and Tuesday night in NY.

I like VC.....for someone who will make 33 million in the next 2 seasons and to lose your backcourt depth as well....will not solve the problem.

[MannyIsGod]

Those two years when he's making $33 million. No thanks. Not for a promising young guard and a guy who can hit shots under pressure.

WTF do you care what he's making? He's obviously better than the other 2 combined and its not even close.

[MannyIsGod]

Uh..Mason has shown he can drop 20 points a night. He did earlier this season when Manu was out and Tuesday night in NY.

I like VC.....for someone who will make 33 million in the next 2 seasons and to lose your backcourt depth as well....will not solve the problem.

Like I said - Spurs fan overvalue their role players