So we're counting on a true recent adolescent who is still learning the 1 to actually play the 1 in the postseason. Who gives a what Carter makes? He's better than those two jokers combined. Stop falling in love with Spurs just because they're Spurs.
Carter replaces Mason's productivity, and then some. We get Bruce back. So we really lose what Hill and Oberto bring to the table, which is like 8 points and never seeing the floor at the end of big post season game.
Oberto and Hill are gonna be key contributors? I'll take with Vaughn if Manu and Carter are out there with him.
yeah...I really like the spurs way of not skrewin the cap and getting better from within....I'm just thinking, that right now is the time to do something to get timmy the best chance of winning, rather than start rebuilding
I dont see us beating the lakers this year with the group we have and keeping hill who will help us in that regard, means timmy has to eep he team a contender for about 3 years...with emerging contenders, I dont see that...its one, maybe two more runns and we have to maximize our chances before we need to rebuild anyway!
The Spurs care.
You think this is about homerism? That's funny. It's about knowing which pieces will work and which pieces won't. Carter is great. But he has never really been a good defender and he would cost too much. Arguing about this is pretty silly since it's not gonna happen. I'd rather have a young backup who can defend and a shooter who can perform in the clutch than Carter.
5 points and 12-15 minutes is the glue that holds our second unit together.
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Carter's hit more game winning shots than Mason ever has.
And yes, you are a homer. More than a little bit.
I'd be surprised to see Hill getting more than 5 minutes a night in the postseason.
Never said that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though
Right. Win now, worry later. They aren't going to pull jack out of free agency in 2010. They need the firepower now. They only way they are going to get any additional top flight talent to SA is going to be through an opportunistic trade with a financially weak team.
No it's not..especially when most of the teams are having finanical issues.
We just have one contender try to give away a key piece for financial reasons only to have that player come back to them.
We have another contender whose biggest trade piece is an expiring contract instead of his playing ability.
We have another team whom embrassed their former coach over the all-star weekend and wanted to get rid of their best player because the owner is freaking out about paying the luxury tax.
We have another team who just trade two players with big salaries to Chicago because they are in financial trouble.
Finances are a huge part of basketball and when you have a championship caliber ball-club unless you get a gift (like the Lakers did last season) you tweak it instead taking a bad risk and damage yourself financially.
It's funny how the Pittsburgh Steelers get this in football and still put a winning product of the field.
How? What is homerish about what I'm saying?
No but thats basically all we are losing in the trade.Never said that. Thanks for putting words in my mouth though
No doubt. Spurs fans are friggin' desperate if they believe George Hill is the second coming.
Were not losing anyone in the trade because ITS NOT HAPPENING..
Sincerely,
CIA POP
Again....you are going overboard!!
No one said he's the second coming! But he has filled a void along with Mason.
That's it!!
It's also funny how you forget the one thing working against the Spurs: time.
PS...I definitely enjoyed the Spurs winning the fiscal responsibility championship last season.
First of all we'd be losing 4 players (which would make the trade impossible because of the Nets' roster).
Oberto - fine, not losing much of anything with him
Bruce - losing a great perimeter defender for a month
Hill - one of our better natural defenders and Tony's backup
Mason - our most clutch player this season. He's a very good shooter and a capable defender
For Carter. 4 players for 1. One who really hasn't proven he knows how to win or that he would even be good in the Spurs system. And you're calling me crazy for not wanting that trade.
Not to mention when Duncan/Manu are done in a few years, we aren't winning a le. Period.
Carter/Duncan/Manu/Parker. Sounds like the core of a team that can contend for the next 3 years.
Yay! So he's perhaps better than Jacque Vaughn, so let's not add a star level player in order to retain the better than Vaughn dude.
Please! Damn near everyone one this board wanted JV kidnapped or shipped out when he was primary backup to TP. With Hill's development, he's been a constant DNP and the talk has subsequently died. Now you're wanting to promote him back to primary backup again. The use of Manu as backup PG was borne out of necessity. With his health in question, that idea is even more risky than ever before.
For your information, the Spurs themselves are balking at shipping out Mason and Hill. So if you want to refer to anyone as blind, start with the FO.
The Mavs made the same mistake last year, that you're wanting the Spurs to make now. They sacrificed a young, talented, player in favor of trading for an aging superstar. In doing so, they mortagaged a good portion of the little youth they had, and some draft picks. While Carter is a much better player than Kidd at this point, you get my point. The Mavs now have a top-heavy salary structure with limited cap space and an aging roster. Meanwhile, the Nets rebuilt their team overnight.
I'm not saying a trade isn't in order, but this doesn't seem to me as a smart trade. Unless the Spurs are planning on jettisoning Ginobili next year, Peter Holt IS NOT going to pay four players salaries in excess of 10 mill each.
You clearly don't watch the games.
There is no way they don't buy out Bowen if the deal happens. He comes back.
Carter replaces Mason's production and then some.
So we lose what Hill and Oberto bring to the table. You said you don't care about losing Oberto.
Hill is playing 12-15 minutes, scoring 5 points and shooting roughly 35% since Parker came back. On top of that, he's not getting near the floor at the end of a big post season game.
Obviously they're crazy!
The Spurs passing on Carter because of a low number one pick who's perhaps a marginally acceptable backup NBA point guard and a pedestrian swingman would be excruciatingly stupid.
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