hill has been sucking lately, especially in that denver game. he kind of bounced back the game against boston and detroit but he's still too passive sometimes. maybe if he played better before the all star break...
I'm not that upset that this deal don't went through.
Camby is a 35 years old injury prone player and is quite wild on the defensive end. He would have made Spurs better this year but giving Hill would have quite sucked. If Hill has the usual improvement between the rookie and sop re year, he will a good player next year. On the other hand Camby would have been one year older...
Camby is completely overated on defense. That said, on the Spurs I don't think that would be the case.
With a Camby/Duncan frontline, the Spurs can defend the post with Timmy, a fantastic man to man defender and have Camby roaming on the weakside, which he is incredible at. Switch the rolls, and Camby is still an alright man to man defender that has more size than anything the Spurs have outside of Duncan at the moment but it also allows Timmy to roam on the weakside, something he is fantastic at.
The closing lineups the Spurs could throw out on the court defensively would have been scary.
(Also, offensively, Camby can add second chance points, runs the floor well and can hit the baseline and top of key jumpshots)
Damn you Sterling!
Camby may very well be the most over-rated NBA player these days. The only reason the Spurs weren't overpaying was because they would get Bowen back and Hill isn't more than a semi-decent backup.
I agree, it was essentially a Hill for Camby. Oberto is worthless at this point, and i think it was safe to assume Bowen was being bought out and coming back.
But what can the Spurs do if the Clips reject, its out of their hands. Giving up another 1st round pick like they did for Thomas, would have been too much IMO. That would leave them with no first round picks in the next two drafts, last years first round pick traded, and the pick the year before that stuck in Europe. Plus the pick before that has ankle complications. And the current roster is already old. At some point you have to start to build through the draft, and bring in youth. Camby is 35, that athleticism has to start to deteriorate sometime.
Also, Hill might only be a semi decent back up now, but his value is obviously in his potential. Hes already shown he can score, rebound and defend at the NBA level.
Still, i would have been happy with the deal.
Wow.. I would have hated to give up Hill but .. damn... Marcus Camby with Tim Duncan = Championship right now.
Yeah, a pick would have been too much. The problem I have with Camby at this point of his career is that he's an extremely selfish defender who's only top defensive skill is shot-blocking from the weakside. He can't defend the low post, he doesn't defend the pick'n'roll, he doesn't bother to leave the paint to guard perimeter oriented bigs, he doesn't play solid positional help defence... shot-blocking is a valuable asset, but not that much.
Offensively, he doesn't run the open court as he used to and he's become almost a liability on halfcourt sets because he doesn't go for cuts, he doesn't move; teams double off of him all the time because he just stays at the top of the key or at the short corner to take jumpers and it's easy to close out there. Camby was awesome in the Knicks and he'd still be very valuable as a backup big (his rebounding prowess alone makes him a solid piece to have), but I don't think he'd put the Spurs over the top or even make them favourites to come out off the West. Maybe because I value Kurt Thomas and what he brings to the floor more than most Spurs fans.
Personally I think Hill's potential is modest starter or solid combo guard off the bench for good teams, but we'll see.
That would be a very good trade, but I'm happy Bruce and Hill stay.
How come the rights to Splitter or Ian Mahnimi was never even mentioned in any "possible" trade? Were the Spurs just not willing to give up these guys?
I have a feeling Donald Sterling got a call from David Stern ordering him not to make the trade.
The Hill-Love on this board is hilarious. Hill in a Camby deal? Awesome. Too bad it didn't happen.
I can't believe there are people who would actually be oppossed to this trade. To think the Spurs were this close to landing Camby...
...I will now light myself on fire.
A big man who leaves his man to try to get blocks, while his own man gets open shots? Sign me right up!
Personally I'm glad it didn't go through.
Camby is good, but injury prone. We'd be giving up our best PG since Tony Parker, and our only working back up PG, for a player who might not play even half of one season, given his track record for staying healthy.
Also, he's no better offensively than Oberto, and his only defensive edge over Oberto is that he's taller. Oberto works harder, esp in the playoffs. Bonner has a more reliable shot than either of them.
yeah sure. Spurs are much better without him.
he is only the #2 in RPG, delivering the same per minute production like Dwight Howard. and 2# in BPG. and #15 in overall efficiency. and #8 in efficiency per minute.
so in each of this categories, there is someone better than him.
obviously the most overrated player in the NBA. or was it the MLB? things get a bit confused this days on this board. oh well.
No....a shot-blocking weakside defender who protects the rim, rebounds, and can hit a 15 footer with regularity.A big man who leaves his man to try to get blocks, while his own man gets open shots? Sign me right up!
In other words, everything the Spurs wish they had at the 5.
Camby provides EXACTLY what the Spurs need at that position and haven't had since the days of D-Rob. This is the guy I was hoping the Spurs pursued via trade. I'm not surprised this was the undercover "CIA" move that was in play - despite all the Carter/Jefferson rumors.
I'm still not fond of sacrificing Hill in the deal for all the reasons mentioned earlier. However after second thought, I would've had to "bite the bullet". I do wish the deal would've gotten done. Frickin' Sterling.
As presently constructed, I just don't think the Spurs are equipped to take down the Fakers.
Or maybe its the LA connection?
Come on. Camby's putting up 12ppg this year. How can you say he's no better offensively than Oberto? Camby's a solid defender, one of the best rebounders in the game, is decent offensively and would make Tim Duncan's job so much easier. How anyone can not want a guy like that on this team is beyond me.
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This thread is depressing. I love Georgie, but trading him for Camby would've been a ridiculous steal.
I sense the Spurs organization going in the direction of the Dallas Cowboys. 10 years from now Holt will be considered the Jerry Jones of the NBA...mark it down.
You did read the part about it being Donald Sterling who backed out of this deal, not Holt, right?
players on the Spurs roster= great.
players not on the Spurs roster= flawed.
players almost on the Spurs roster= worst players in the league.
what is beyond me is: if Mason in fact is the 2nd coming of Reggie Miller, as some seem to believe when rating his value and Hill has written next Devin Harris all over him and even Fab is the kind of back up center the whole league is dreaming to own, how comes that we doubt that this team will win the le by sweeping all four opponents they will meet?
The notion that Camby is injury prone as been overplayed now.
Take a look at his lats 5 seasons:
03-04: 72 GP
04-05: 66 GP
05-06: 56 GP
06-07: 70 GP
07-08: 79 GP
Sure, the guy is no Bruce Bowen but he's not really injury prone neither.
And he never missed a PO game.
That would have been a good trade, F.U. Sterling !
So true. There also appears to be a disconnect over whether or not it's okay to trade a good player for a better one.
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