Lakers are 35-9 v 2-9 in West since Gasol trade

[Ghazi]

Counting last years regular season after the Gasol trade, the playoffs, and this year, the Lakers are 35-9 in regular season games v 2-9 in the West since the Gasol trade (Warriors being the 9th team last year, Blazers replacing them this year). If you go a step further, they're 33-6 in games where Gasol has played. If you go a step further, they're 34-5 if we disregard Mason's fluke shot.

These are amazing numbers to me. It can thus be argued that the Lakers are so good that if you construct an 82 game schedule featuring nothing but the 2-9 teams in the West, they would wind up with a #1 seed regardless.

This year, they're 15-3... and let's dissect those 3 losses:

1. @ SAS- Mason fluke shot. Spurs deserved to lose the game for yielding a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter @ home but got bailed out by an improbable shot and improbable foul.

2. v NO- Odom got injured in the game, and the Hornets needed 32/15 from CP3 with 0 TO's, and 40/11 from David West to win the game. we can dismiss this game as an anomaly.

3. @ Utah- A back to back in Utah where the refs allow the Jazz to play rugby, and the Lakers still only lost by 4 points. A moral victory if you ask me, and dare I go a far as to say a game the Lakers should've won?

The only thing to make of all this is that for a West team to beat the Lakers in the playoffs without HCA, they will need a barrage of hot shooting, fluke plays, and the Lakers to forget how to play basketball.

The Spurs are considered a formidable foe to the Lakers by some in the media, but in reality aren't. Mason's fluke shot disregarded, the Spurs are 1-7 in their last 8 games against the Lakers... they're only considered a threat out of reverence toward their 03, 05, and 07 championships... but this year's team isn't as good as those teams.

The Nuggets of course can't be considered a threat. Their record is inflated by a 21-4 record against sub .500 teams, which means they're only 16-15 against +.500 teams. Also, no team whose best player is backward fighting pussy baby back Carmelo Anthony should be considered a threat to beat the Lakers, let alone advance past the 1st round. Furthermore, LA has won like 9 straight against the Nuggets.

The rest of the teams simply aren't that good. Blazers too young, Hornets/Mavs/Suns too soft with older/flawed rosters, Jazz too undisciplined defensively and seemingly incapable of winning a game @ Staples, whereas the Lakers have shown they can win @ Energy Solutions. As for the Rockets, they just suck, and no team led by the Great Wall of frailty is expected to be a threat to the Lakers, let alone get out of the 1st round.

The only teams capable of beating the Lakers this year are the Celtics and all the King's men.

But I think all of this has been obvious all year long, just pointing out the impressive 35-9 record v the best the West has to offer since the Gasol trade.

[Gutter92]

4-4 on gamewinners makes Mason's shot vs. the Lakers a fluke shot

[DeadlyDynasty]

Counting last years regular season after the Gasol trade, the playoffs, and this year, the Lakers are 35-9 in regular season games v 2-9 in the West since the Gasol trade (Warriors being the 9th team last year, Blazers replacing them this year). If you go a step further, they're 33-6 in games where Gasol has played. If you go a step further, they're 34-5 if we disregard Mason's fluke shot.

These are amazing numbers to me. It can thus be argued that the Lakers are so good that if you construct an 82 game schedule featuring nothing but the 2-9 teams in the West, they would wind up with a #1 seed regardless.

This year, they're 15-3... and let's dissect those 3 losses:

1. @ SAS- Mason fluke shot. Spurs deserved to lose the game for yielding a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter @ home but got bailed out by an improbable shot and improbable foul.

2. v NO- Odom got injured in the game, and the Hornets needed 32/15 from CP3 with 0 TO's, and 40/11 from David West to win the game. we can dismiss this game as an anomaly.

3. @ Utah- A back to back in Utah where the refs allow the Jazz to play rugby, and the Lakers still only lost by 4 points. A moral victory if you ask me, and dare I go a far as to say a game the Lakers should've won?

The only thing to make of all this is that for a West team to beat the Lakers in the playoffs without HCA, they will need a barrage of hot shooting, fluke plays, and the Lakers to forget how to play basketball.

The Spurs are considered a formidable foe to the Lakers by some in the media, but in reality aren't. Mason's fluke shot disregarded, the Spurs are 1-7 in their last 8 games against the Lakers... they're only considered a threat out of reverence toward their 03, 05, and 07 championships... but this year's team isn't as good as those teams.

The Nuggets of course can't be considered a threat. Their record is inflated by a 21-4 record against sub .500 teams, which means they're only 16-15 against +.500 teams. Also, no team whose best player is backward fighting pussy baby back Carmelo Anthony should be considered a threat to beat the Lakers, let alone advance past the 1st round. Furthermore, LA has won like 9 straight against the Nuggets.

The rest of the teams simply aren't that good. Blazers too young, Hornets/Mavs/Suns too soft with older/flawed rosters, Jazz too undisciplined defensively and seemingly incapable of winning a game @ Staples, whereas the Lakers have shown they can win @ Energy Solutions. As for the Rockets, they just suck, and no team led by the Great Wall of frailty is expected to be a threat to the Lakers, let alone get out of the 1st round.

The only teams capable of beating the Lakers this year are the Celtics and all the King's men.

But I think all of this has been obvious all year long, just pointing out the impressive 35-9 record v the best the West has to offer since the Gasol trade.

[Rogue]

this trade may help us become much stronger than lakers: Dampier/Stack/Josh for Yao/Artest/Battier.

[ginobili's bald spot]

*Waits for bitter Spurs fans armed with their ad hominem rebuttals*

[Rogue]

we will have a decent center in yao than can do dirty works in our paint, though yao is still not an ideal piece to our team; artest isn't as good as Josh at offensive end but his defense is way better than Josh, at least Artest will never allow Crapierce to blow him out; Battier isn't outstanding in stats but his has more effects on his team than the stats can reflect, it's hard to imagine how bad the rockets team would be if they hadn't got battier. tmac and ron and yao all don't mind wasting plenty of shots just to polish their stats a little bit, tmac in particular.

Yao/Dirk/Battier/Artest/Kidd as lineups

Jet/Bass/Barea/Wright/ off the bench.

[resistanze]

*Waits for bitter Spurs fans armed with their ad hominem rebuttals*

Don't you think that's kinda ironic considering your username?

[IronMexican]

Are you telling me Ginobili doesn't have a bald spot on the back of his head?

[anonoftheinternets]

Are you telling me Ginobili doesn't have a bald spot on the back of his head?

are u telling me you are not a mexican made of iron?

[Fabbs]

The Spurs are considered a formidable foe to the Lakers by some in the media, but in reality aren't. Mason's fluke shot disregarded, the Spurs are 1-7 in their last 8 games against the Lakers... they're only considered a threat out of reverence toward their 03, 05, and 07 championships... but this year's team isn't as good as those teams.

PopApologists can spin that anyway they want, but 1-7 since the Gasol Collusion says it all.
You're wrong on the Mason shot tho. For the 1st time in eons, DumbassOvich let the Spurs open it up on O and they had 90 points by the 3rd qtr and led by 10 with about 6 minutes to go in the game. Went into 4Dumb/Veg Ball trey chucking and that is what allowed the Lakers to comeback. So it was the Lakers who were lucky to be allowed by Pop back into that game. Plus as pointed out, Mase is now 4-4 on gamesealers, its not luck.

Pop made the "adjustment" the next time the teams met. Vegged out offense and an easy Laker win.

[Ghazi]

In that case, 2-6

[IronMexican]

are u telling me you are not a mexican made of iron?

Pretty much.

[TheMACHINE]

Counting last years regular season after the Gasol trade, the playoffs, and this year, the Lakers are 35-9 in regular season games v 2-9 in the West since the Gasol trade (Warriors being the 9th team last year, Blazers replacing them this year). If you go a step further, they're 33-6 in games where Gasol has played. If you go a step further, they're 34-5 if we disregard Mason's fluke shot.

These are amazing numbers to me. It can thus be argued that the Lakers are so good that if you construct an 82 game schedule featuring nothing but the 2-9 teams in the West, they would wind up with a #1 seed regardless.

This year, they're 15-3... and let's dissect those 3 losses:

1. @ SAS- Mason fluke shot. Spurs deserved to lose the game for yielding a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter @ home but got bailed out by an improbable shot and improbable foul.

2. v NO- Odom got injured in the game, and the Hornets needed 32/15 from CP3 with 0 TO's, and 40/11 from David West to win the game. we can dismiss this game as an anomaly.

3. @ Utah- A back to back in Utah where the refs allow the Jazz to play rugby, and the Lakers still only lost by 4 points. A moral victory if you ask me, and dare I go a far as to say a game the Lakers should've won?

The only thing to make of all this is that for a West team to beat the Lakers in the playoffs without HCA, they will need a barrage of hot shooting, fluke plays, and the Lakers to forget how to play basketball.

The Spurs are considered a formidable foe to the Lakers by some in the media, but in reality aren't. Mason's fluke shot disregarded, the Spurs are 1-7 in their last 8 games against the Lakers... they're only considered a threat out of reverence toward their 03, 05, and 07 championships... but this year's team isn't as good as those teams.

The Nuggets of course can't be considered a threat. Their record is inflated by a 21-4 record against sub .500 teams, which means they're only 16-15 against +.500 teams. Also, no team whose best player is backward fighting pussy baby back Carmelo Anthony should be considered a threat to beat the Lakers, let alone advance past the 1st round. Furthermore, LA has won like 9 straight against the Nuggets.

The rest of the teams simply aren't that good. Blazers too young, Hornets/Mavs/Suns too soft with older/flawed rosters, Jazz too undisciplined defensively and seemingly incapable of winning a game @ Staples, whereas the Lakers have shown they can win @ Energy Solutions. As for the Rockets, they just suck, and no team led by the Great Wall of frailty is expected to be a threat to the Lakers, let alone get out of the 1st round.

The only teams capable of beating the Lakers this year are the Celtics and all the King's men.

But I think all of this has been obvious all year long, just pointing out the impressive 35-9 record v the best the West has to offer since the Gasol trade.

Welcome to bandwagon..plenty of room by me and Paris Hilton.

[ElNono]

Counting last years regular season after the Gasol trade, the playoffs, and this year, the Lakers are 35-9 in regular season games v 2-9 in the West since the Gasol trade (Warriors being the 9th team last year, Blazers replacing them this year). If you go a step further, they're 33-6 in games where Gasol has played. If you go a step further, they're 34-5 if we disregard Mason's fluke shot.

These are amazing numbers to me. It can thus be argued that the Lakers are so good that if you construct an 82 game schedule featuring nothing but the 2-9 teams in the West, they would wind up with a #1 seed regardless.

This year, they're 15-3... and let's dissect those 3 losses:

1. @ SAS- Mason fluke shot. Spurs deserved to lose the game for yielding a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter @ home but got bailed out by an improbable shot and improbable foul.

2. v NO- Odom got injured in the game, and the Hornets needed 32/15 from CP3 with 0 TO's, and 40/11 from David West to win the game. we can dismiss this game as an anomaly.

3. @ Utah- A back to back in Utah where the refs allow the Jazz to play rugby, and the Lakers still only lost by 4 points. A moral victory if you ask me, and dare I go a far as to say a game the Lakers should've won?

The only thing to make of all this is that for a West team to beat the Lakers in the playoffs without HCA, they will need a barrage of hot shooting, fluke plays, and the Lakers to forget how to play basketball.

The Spurs are considered a formidable foe to the Lakers by some in the media, but in reality aren't. Mason's fluke shot disregarded, the Spurs are 1-7 in their last 8 games against the Lakers... they're only considered a threat out of reverence toward their 03, 05, and 07 championships... but this year's team isn't as good as those teams.

The Nuggets of course can't be considered a threat. Their record is inflated by a 21-4 record against sub .500 teams, which means they're only 16-15 against +.500 teams. Also, no team whose best player is backward fighting pussy baby back Carmelo Anthony should be considered a threat to beat the Lakers, let alone advance past the 1st round. Furthermore, LA has won like 9 straight against the Nuggets.

The rest of the teams simply aren't that good. Blazers too young, Hornets/Mavs/Suns too soft with older/flawed rosters, Jazz too undisciplined defensively and seemingly incapable of winning a game @ Staples, whereas the Lakers have shown they can win @ Energy Solutions. As for the Rockets, they just suck, and no team led by the Great Wall of frailty is expected to be a threat to the Lakers, let alone get out of the 1st round.

The only teams capable of beating the Lakers this year are the Celtics and all the King's men.

But I think all of this has been obvious all year long, just pointing out the impressive 35-9 record v the best the West has to offer since the Gasol trade.

What's more amazing is that they still don't have a championship to show for all those great numbers...

[SpursDynasty]

Counting last years regular season after the Gasol trade, the playoffs, and this year, the Lakers are 35-9 in regular season games v 2-9 in the West since the Gasol trade (Warriors being the 9th team last year, Blazers replacing them this year). If you go a step further, they're 33-6 in games where Gasol has played. If you go a step further, they're 34-5 if we disregard Mason's fluke shot.

These are amazing numbers to me. It can thus be argued that the Lakers are so good that if you construct an 82 game schedule featuring nothing but the 2-9 teams in the West, they would wind up with a #1 seed regardless.

This year, they're 15-3... and let's dissect those 3 losses:

1. @ SAS- Mason fluke shot. Spurs deserved to lose the game for yielding a 12 point lead in the 4th quarter @ home but got bailed out by an improbable shot and improbable foul.

2. v NO- Odom got injured in the game, and the Hornets needed 32/15 from CP3 with 0 TO's, and 40/11 from David West to win the game. we can dismiss this game as an anomaly.

3. @ Utah- A back to back in Utah where the refs allow the Jazz to play rugby, and the Lakers still only lost by 4 points. A moral victory if you ask me, and dare I go a far as to say a game the Lakers should've won?

The only thing to make of all this is that for a West team to beat the Lakers in the playoffs without HCA, they will need a barrage of hot shooting, fluke plays, and the Lakers to forget how to play basketball.

The Spurs are considered a formidable foe to the Lakers by some in the media, but in reality aren't. Mason's fluke shot disregarded, the Spurs are 1-7 in their last 8 games against the Lakers... they're only considered a threat out of reverence toward their 03, 05, and 07 championships... but this year's team isn't as good as those teams.

The Nuggets of course can't be considered a threat. Their record is inflated by a 21-4 record against sub .500 teams, which means they're only 16-15 against +.500 teams. Also, no team whose best player is backward fighting pussy baby back Carmelo Anthony should be considered a threat to beat the Lakers, let alone advance past the 1st round. Furthermore, LA has won like 9 straight against the Nuggets.

The rest of the teams simply aren't that good. Blazers too young, Hornets/Mavs/Suns too soft with older/flawed rosters, Jazz too undisciplined defensively and seemingly incapable of winning a game @ Staples, whereas the Lakers have shown they can win @ Energy Solutions. As for the Rockets, they just suck, and no team led by the Great Wall of frailty is expected to be a threat to the Lakers, let alone get out of the 1st round.

The only teams capable of beating the Lakers this year are the Celtics and all the King's men.

But I think all of this has been obvious all year long, just pointing out the impressive 35-9 record v the best the West has to offer since the Gasol trade.

1. The Mason shot wasn't a fluke. He has hit 4 game winners including big wins in Phoenix and Boston. Games are 48 minutes long. Whether a shot is hit during the first 10 seconds of the game or the last 10 seconds of the game, it counts. The foul was also not improbable. Fisher is known for fouling at the end of big games, he just usually doesn't get whistled for it. Be happy that this one got whistled and Game 4 last year didn't.

2. Odom got injured, but staying healthy is part of the game just as much as winning is. 32 and 15 are typical numbers from Chris Paul, so NOH didn't necessarily "need" something that they get anyway. 40 and 11 from West is only a reflection of LA's poor defense. LA gives up 100.69 points a game, 20th best in the league, which means 19 teams give up less points than they do. The David Wests of the league are bound to get 40 and 11 against such poor defense.

3. Again, games are 48 minutes long. Whoever has more points at the end, wins. If LA should have beaten Utah, then why didn't they have more points at the end? If it's only a 4 point win, then this only means Utah did everything LA did and then scored 4 more points to win the game.

The Spurs have championship experience...Coach Pop, TD, TP, Manu, Bowen, etc. They have won within the last 2 years. It doesn't matter what role players you put around them, whether it's Steve Kerr, Speedy Claxton, Brent Barry, Beno Udrih, or Francisco Elson, those 4 guys will find a way to win. We lost last year because of a lack of offense outside Tim and Tony.

The Lakers have championship experience in Phil, Kobe, and Fisher, but those guys haven't won a championship in 7 years. Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom as NBA champions? Keep dreaming.

Denver isn't a contender, and 16-15 as a record doesn't look good, but when stated that it's against the .500 or better teams, it's actually pretty solid. That's the equivalent of getting a season series split against the real teams.

The Lakers are simply not good enough to be NBA champions. We held Kobe/Bynum/Gasol to a combined sub-.500 FG% in the last meeting. The Lakers needed Farmar and Ariza to shoot 10-for-15 to win that game. Don't count on those scrubs doing anything in the playoffs.

[2Cleva]

Too much bias in the OP analysis. Case in point - Mason hit the shot, credit due where credit is earned.

The Lakers are simply not good enough to be NBA champions. We held Kobe/Bynum/Gasol to a combined sub-.500 FG% in the last meeting. The Lakers needed Farmar and Ariza to shoot 10-for-15 to win that game. Don't count on those scrubs doing anything in the playoffs.

Farmar and Ariza have shot well from time to time, just as Mason has hit game-winners from time to time. Is either team going to bank on that to win it all? Mason was a scrub himself every year prior to this one - no doubt thanks to him playing next to 3 great players. Same thing goes for guys like Farmar and Ariza (except LA at times has 4 great players).

That said but the point is correct. No one in the West can consistently beat LA as they are currently constructed without a great, great deal of luck. Saying LA isn't good enough is foolish, considering how close they came last year, how much better they are last year, and how their closest compe ors are weaker. It's proven the West can't handle LA and LA left and impression on the 2 most likely Final participants from the East.

[Sec24Row7]

Mavs fans talked a bunch of in 2006-7 when they were tearing up the league, Dirk was winning the MVP, they had knocked the Spurs out of the playoffs the year before and no one seemed able to stop them.

How about this... you get past the #8 seed... and if we are still in the mix too... I'll give a about how good your team is.

[Pelicans78]

Cavs dont have a shot in at beating the Lakers, and the C's have felt the wrath as well.

I disagree bro. I think the Lakers will win the championship, but Cleveland will give them a tough series. I see 4-2 Lakers.

[2Cleva]

I disagree bro. I think the Lakers will win the championship, but Cleveland will give them a tough series. I see 4-2 Lakers.

Agreed. All the shooters Cleveland has around LeBron will mean some hot nights. LA doesn't close out consistently well at all and get them off the 3 point line.

The lack of a post game is what would do Cleveland in.

[Sec24Row7]

We are not the MAVS you clown. But for the sake of argument, lets assume you can use history to guage success. The Lakers have a history of not only winning when they are the best team, but getting them in bunches. The Last 6 seasons were our slup up. Time to rule the next 5-6 years.

You're an injury away from losing in the second round.

You're team is awesome. I respect it. The Spurs respect it.

You aren't automatically gonna win anything. If you get past us, you still have the team that you didn't beat last year and the Cavs to worry about.

[j-money24]

theirs no compe ion for lakers in the west

[Ghazi]

Mavs however, showed some warts in that regular season. They had a losing record v the Jazz and Warriors, and the 0-3 record v the Warriors in that season, along with 1-6 in their last 7 games, ended up being no fluke as the Warriors won in 6.

The Lakers on the other hand. 7-1 in their last 8 against the Spurs, 9-0 in their last 9 against the Nuggets... take any team in the West, and the Lakers have a winning record v them since the Gasol trade.

[IronMexican]

You're an injury away from losing in the second round.

You're team is awesome. I respect it. The Spurs respect it.

You aren't automatically gonna win anything. If you get past us, you still have the team that you didn't beat last year and the Cavs to worry about.

Every team is an injury away from a first round exit or something horrible.

[Fabbs]

Mavs fans talked a bunch of in 2006-7 when they were tearing up the league, Dirk was winning the MVP, they had knocked the Spurs out of the playoffs the year before and no one seemed able to stop them.

How about this... you get past the #8 seed... and if we are still in the mix too... I'll give a about how good your team is.

How sweet would a #1 Lakers vs #8 Warriors with fair reffing thruout the series be?

[Dex]

If you go a step further, they're 34-5 if we disregard Mason's fluke shot.

Too bad nobody does.