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Do you guys use vosotros regularly in Argentina?
My Spanish Professor also told me how Argentina got it's name and that it came from a French word, which is kind of interesting.
That weird...I haven't seen vos yet. I know that word from French but I didn't know it was used in Spanish. I thought "you" would tu. Most of that of his familiar from my class but there are some things I haven't seen yet. Anyway, thanks for the Spanish lesson. I appreciate it and you are hereby excluded from any further group insults directed towards the Scola Fans
Muchos gracias.
Do you guys use vosotros regularly in Argentina?
My Spanish Professor also told me how Argentina got it's name and that it came from a French word, which is kind of interesting.
Sorry, sorry my bad "vos" is only used in ArgentinaThat weird...I haven't seen vos yet. I know that word from French but I didn't know it was used in Spanish. I thought "you" would tu. Most of that of his familiar from my class but there are some things I haven't seen yet. Anyway, thanks for the Spanish lesson. I appreciate it and you are hereby excluded from any further group insults directed towards the Scola Fans
Muchos gracias.keep using "tu"
Nope "Vosotros" means "ustedes" (you in plural) and I think is used in Spain (I'm not sure).
And I didn't know the word Argentina came from the French langauge. Do you know which and what it means?
I also think Scola is a better player. But hes become slightly over rated now days. I think hes caught abit of Ben Wallace syndrome. People have been continuously calling him under rated since last year, to the point that he is now over rated. Hes a nice role player, damn good role player - but nothing more.
Bonner has shown a willingness recently to pump fake and drive in from the 3 point line, and hes starting to hit those little short-mid range pull ups. Scola definately has a better post game, in fact Bonner doesnt have one at all - but its hard for Scola to get alot of his shots of because 1) Hes undersized and 2) Hes not athletic. Ive seen him abuse jumpin jacks in the post before, but a good defender wont leave his feet, and when they dont he struggles to get a good shot off. Alot of his points come from his improved mid range J, and broken plays because he has such a good nose for the ball. Thats not a knock on him though.
Yeah, I can't remember the exact details but Argentina comes from a combination of the French word "argenté" which means silvery, and the Spanish word costa for coast...Silvery Coast or Costa Argenté = Argentina. I can't remember if my professor said there was a bunch of silver on the coast of Argentina or if it just looked silvery.
He doesn't seem like the athletic type but he's pretty quick for a guy his size. But like you said he tries to use his brain more with a lot of "pump fakes" and "up and unders" but when his defender doesn't buy it he has a nice touch too. The shot becomes a lower % one but he still can make some go in.
Thanks a lot
You learn something new everyday. I feel a little embarrased I didn't know that.
That's ok...most people in the United States don't know America is derived from a Latin Word(or name anyway), not even a lot of the latin Americans that live here.Thanks a lot
You learn something new everyday. I feel a little embarrased I didn't know that.
buen gusto no?
Tu chupa mucho pito si?
You share a lot in common with your professor, in the full-of- department...
Argentina comes from the Latin word argentum (silver). Back in 1516 Juan de Solis named the main river Rio Dulce (Sweet River), but the portuguese thought there were silver deposits on it, so they called it Rio da Prata. By the 1530's the spanish version of the portuguese name started to make the rounds in literature (Venetian Atlas, Martín del Barco Centenera, Capítulo General de la Orden Franciscana), and eventually became official in 1776, when the territory was named Virreinato del Río de la Plata.
uno dos tres amigo.
Well he is an Argentine so you are probably right about that, however I can't be held accountable for what he told me in class.
Argentina comes from the Latin word argentum (silver). Back in 1516 Juan de Solis named the main river Rio Dulce (Sweet River), but the portuguese thought there were silver deposits on it, so they called it Rio da Prata. By the 1530's the spanish version of the portuguese name started to make the rounds in literature (Venetian Atlas, Martín del Barco Centenera, Capítulo General de la Orden Franciscana), and eventually became official in 1776, when the territory was named Virreinato del Río de la Plata.
And nowhere in your story do I see how the country of Argentina got the name Argentina. Dip . Suppose you tell me when the Spanish version of the word Argentina originated.
Things are wonderful in my world. Scola and Splitter have completed our lineup and we are god-like. Timmy is working his other 5 fingers and things could not be better.
Ah man, o real world.
The word Argentina comes from the Latin Argentum, that means “silver”.
The concept had been coined in a Venetian atlas of 1536 and afterwards Martín del Barco Centenera, member of the expedition by Ortíz de Zárate, published in 1602 a long poem about these lands under the le “La Argentina”. Such name was kept in the literature environment, but not at the beginnings of the Nation. The most frequent name given at that time was “Río de la Plata” (Silver River), of an undoubtedly semantic association, established in the previous century with the creation of the “Virreinato” (Viceroyalty) in 1776 and linked to the obligatory route of Potosí cargos towards Spain. After several decades of appearing, silences and alternations with other names, on October 8, 1860 in the city of Paraná, the then President Santiago Derqui ruled the denomination of República Argentina (Argentine Republic), by means of a decree, and afterwards Leiutenant Mitre used the name of President of the Argentine Republic , being established since that time
Voseo is originary from Spain, at first used by the aristocracy and high society, now it is mostly spoken in Argentina, Uruguay, and parts of Bolivia and Central America, Voseo Spanish uses the alternative second person singular pronoun vos instead of tú, as well as an alternative conjugation of second person the present indicative and imperative. For example, sos replaces eres, and tenés replaces tienes. I demand an spanish forum inside spurstalk !!!, whoot sos un pelotudo !!!
Actually, believe it or not, the hardest language in the world to learn is English. With all of our slang and whatnot, it's been rated as the hardest.
I don't know your professor but I'm 100% sure you're full of ...
There's no concrete set date and place for the origin of the word. You can only go back to the literature at the time. If you were interested at all, you would have googled some of the literature I posted. Back in the 1600's Martín del Barco Centenera wrote a poem aptly named 'La Argentina', describing the history of the Silver river and it's neighboring lands. In the Capítulo General de la Orden Franciscana (Valladolid, 1536) the region was already named 'City of Argentina'.
Now, what we do know about Argentina's colonial history, is that the region was discovered by Spanish sailors, who created the first colony there. A little more up north, where Brazil is, the portuguese sailors set foot. And the British showed up in the early 1800's and attempted to overthrow the Spanish colony before independence was finally declared (1810-1816). The french were never around that area. They were more interested in the caribbean region, where they setup a few colonies, some of which last until today.
There, you got a history lesson for free.
How do you know they lifted the argen part straight from the Latin Argentum and not the French Argente? Argente is closer to Argentina than Argentum. And no one was speaking latin then...in any case, the French word is closer to silver than either the Spanish or the Portugese. There are some differences between what I was told and what you are telling me now...but that is the major one...plus I know he mentioned Costa being part of the reason. I do believe he mentioned the about the Portugese but I don't remember those details...nor are my notes complete. I just wrote down Costa and Argente from the note session.
And this guy is an Argie(who is naturalized in the U S), not only that but he speaks Italian and French as well. So he's pretty familiar with the Latin languages. Seems to be a smart guy...says he was recruited by the CIA once upon a time. Then again...he very well could be full of about that.
Anyway...I am not an expert on Argentina nor have I ever claimed to be, but he did tell us that the origin comes from the meshing of the words Costa and Argente...like I said originally, I don't remember the details of why those names were chosen...I just remember the words being used because I wrote them down.
Hold on...I'm going to go look and see if I have any other notes. Actually...I wouldn't mind bringing this up in class since that asshat failed me on the first test.
Do you at least know why they call it "Latin" America ?
No need to be an asshole kuato...
Let's follow the line of this debate real quick...
whottt: I just learned in my Spanish class that Argentina comes from a French word.
Is whottt at this point claiming to be an expert on the origin of the word Argentina? No...whottt is saying he just learned this in class.
Argie: asks for explanation.
whottt: repeats what he was told in class and is promptly called full of dumbass etc.
whottt: does not argue the point as most would when being called full of for no reason. Because whottt knows he is not certain.
whottt then has his intelligence insulted and is the recipient of smartass remarks when whottt has never claimed expertise on the subject and has in fact asked for clarification.
Do you see why I am prone to insulting you guys when make stupid conclusions like that?
If I am wrong
A. I never claimed this to be some kind of expert knowledge...or argued the point from a positon of ignorance as El Nono would do if insulted.
B. It is because I was given incorrect information from what should have been a trusted authority on the subject. One of your own countrymen in fact.
Do not make the mistake that because whottt gave credence to the knowledge of one of your own countrymen that he is somehow stupid.
That would be stupid on your part...
IOW, no one has any grounds to be condescending to whottt based on what has transpired in this discussion so far...that would very much be case of grasping at straws due to past assrapings.
The French language comes from the Latin language used by the Roman empire. Just like Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, etc. The 'Romantic' language however, has influences from the Celtic and Germanic languages also. Basically, argenté also comes from the Latin argentum.
Now, the reason why it's not derived from the French word is that historically speaking, the French just were not in the area back then. Also, the earliest references to the Venetian and Spanish texts indicate an origin of the word somewhere in those regions.
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