Scola thread!

[ElNono]

No need to be an asshole kuato...

Let's follow the line of this debate real quick...

whottt: I just learned in my Spanish class that Argentina comes from a French word.

Is whottt at this point claiming to be an expert on the origin of the word Argentina? No...whottt is saying he just learned this in class.

Argie: asks for explanation.

whottt: repeats what he was told in class and is promptly called full of dumbass etc.

whottt: does not argue the point as most would when being called full of for no reason. Because whottt knows he is not certain.

whottt then has his intelligence insulted and is the recipient of smartass remarks when whottt has never claimed expertise on the subject and has in fact asked for clarification.

Do you see why I am prone to insulting you guys when make stupid conclusions like that?

If I am wrong

A. I never claimed this to be some kind of expert knowledge...or argued the point from a positon of ignorance as El Nono would do if insulted.

B. It is because I was given incorrect information from what should have been a trusted authority on the subject. One of your own countrymen in fact.

Do not make the mistake that because whottt gave credence to the knowledge of one of your own countrymen that he is somehow stupid.


That would be stupid on your part...

IOW, no one has any grounds to be condescending to whottt based on what has transpired in this discussion so far...that would very much be case of grasping at straws due to past assrapings.

You're just very amusing when you start backtracking and ting all over yourself.

Anyways, it's just you being you. Nothing new here.

I'll just add my 2c about this Scola thread. I think at this point is somewhat irrelevant wether he would have been with the Spurs or not. I think a lopsided trade like Gasol really changed the playing field in the West, and while in years past a guy like Oberto and/or Thomas would have sufficed, now we need a lot more. I don't think Luis can gives all that we need right now. Maybe in a couple of years he'll be better, but TD's window and the Spurs objective is to win now. And to win now and beat this Laker team we need to score in bunches, and Matt has been fairly good at that. We will also need to tighten the defense, but I think if we work a little harder in doing the rotations better and guarding the perimeter better, we can be a top 10 defensive team. And that might just be enough to leave the Lakers behind.

[whottt]

The French language comes from the Latin language used by the Roman empire. Just like Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, etc.

Don't insult me. This is why you and I find ourselves at odds frequently. Seriously. Because you say like this to me.


El Nono...did you know Tony Parker is the point guard of the Spurs?

Do you like it when I do it to you?

The 'Romantic' language however, has influences from the Celtic and Germanic languages also. Basically, argenté also comes from the Latin argentum.
Now, the reason why it's not derived from the French word is that historically speaking, the French just were not in the area back then.

In the area of where, Costa Argentino...or Spain?

Also, the earliest references to the Venetian and Spanish texts indicate an origin of the word somewhere in those regions.

What regions?

Look no matter what the word is Latin origin...the question is did they get the Argent part directly from Latin or did they borrow it from the French argente? My instructor speaks almost every major latin language(he might even speak Romanian for all I know) so he knows the word descended from Latin...but he specifically mentioned that they were basing their translation upon the French word argente...and the French were the only country of the 3 being discussed here, using a word that sounded like anything remotely close to Argentina as the word for silver or silvery at that point in time.

[kuato]

The French language comes from the Latin language used by the Roman empire. Just like Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, etc. The 'Romantic' language however, has influences from the Celtic and Germanic languages also. Basically, argenté also comes from the Latin argentum.
Now, the reason why it's not derived from the French word is that historically speaking, the French just were not in the area back then. Also, the earliest references to the Venetian and Spanish texts indicate an origin of the word somewhere in those regions.

¡chapó! , thats why is asked whottt if he knows why is the latin part in Latin America :P , even if it comes from the french, the word is still latin, so there where people speaking latin in those times hahah.

[kuato]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Confederation

"At the site of Strasbourg, the Romans established a military outpost and named it Argentoratum. (Hence the town is commonly called Argentina in medieval Latin."

[whottt]

¡chapó! , thats why is asked whottt if he knows why is the latin part in Latin America :P , even if it comes from the french, the word is still latin, so there where people speaking latin in those times hahah.

Goddamn you guys are ing stupid...this is why you piss me off.


He didn't say argentum.
He didn't say argento(the Italian word for silvery)
He specifically said they got it from the French version of the word, "argente".

I know it is a latin word bag....the guys speaks Italian, French and Spanish? Do you understand the relevance there? He teaches Spanish at a University...don't you think that he'd know it was latin even if I didn't know this first grade knowledge?

He didn't say latin...he said French, "argente".

Do you understand that I didn't just pull the french out of my ass? That it was an expert in the 3 major latin languages, from your own country that said this?

Don't ya think he knows it' latin? Dumbass. He's the one that said it.

Sigh...I give up.

[kuato]

Do you understand that i live in Argentina and i know where the comes the name of my country ? , so .. stop talking useless , search a little on google and forget about yout stupid argie teacher , he was wrong about Argentina like you are wrong about Scola.

[ElNono]

Don't insult me. This is why you and I find ourselves at odds frequently. Seriously. Because you say like this to me.


El Nono...did you know Tony Parker is the point guard of the Spurs?

Do you like it when I do it to you?

I mean no insult. There's other people reading these forums and in my everyday dealings with Americans, many don't know little things like this. I'm glad you do, and shows your level of education. If you already know this stuff feel free to gloss over it.

In the area of where, Costa Argentino...or Spain?

What regions?

Look no matter what the word is Latin origin...the question is did they get the Argent part directly from Latin or did they borrow it from the French argente? My instructor speaks almost every major latin language(he might even speak Romanian for all I know) so he knows the word descended from Latin...but he specifically mentioned that they were basing their translation upon the French word argente...and the French were the only country of the 3 being discussed here, using a word that sounded like anything remotely close to Argentina as the word for silver or silvery at that point in time.

The reason it's highly unlikely, if not flat out impossible that it comes from the French, is that 1) The Spanish discovered the land. 2) The Portuguese suggested that there might be silver in the river. 3) The earliest literature you can find using the word is either Spanish or Venetian.

France really doesn't enter the picture historically speaking. There were really not that interested in that region to begin with.

Anyways, gotta sleep... good night!

[whottt]

I mean no insult. There's other people reading these forums and in my everyday dealings with Americans, many don't know little things like this. I'm glad you do, and shows your level of education. If you already know this stuff feel free to gloss over it.

Most every one above the age of 10 in the Western World knows Italian, French and Spanish descended from Latin...that's common knowledge. Fewer know Romanian is also part of this family...

The reason it's highly unlikely, if not flat out impossible that it comes from the French, is that 1) The Spanish discovered the land.

Most everyone in this discussion knows this.

2) The Portuguese suggested that there might be silver in the river.

Never said otherwise.

3) The earliest literature you can find using the word is either Spanish or Venetian.

Which word? Argentina? I didn't say Argentina was a french word...I said it comes from a French word.

France really doesn't enter the picture historically speaking. There were really not that interested in that region to begin with.

That's got little or no relevance...France was the 1A or 1B world power at the point in time we are discussing here...and they are very close to Spain geographically, even if not on this continent.

Anyways, gotta sleep... good night!

Well...I want to know, and I would like to have the details ironed out before bringing this up in class. Don't tell me I'm wrong and then not tell me why.

[ElNono]

And for the record, I speak fluent English, Spanish and Portuguese and only partially Italian and French (good enough to sustain a conversation, but not good enough to write, say, an essay).
It's not your fault whottt, but your professor probably pulled a fast one on you.

Good nite

[whottt]

And for the record, I speak fluent English, Spanish and Portuguese and only partially Italian and French (good enough to sustain a conversation, but not good enough to write, say, an essay).
It's not your fault whottt, but your professor probably pulled a fast one on you.

Good nite

He pulled a fast one on the entire class if what you say is true...why would he do that? Are argies just assholes that like to spread disinformation in general?

[mystargtr34]

What the is this. Talk about Luis Scola. Theres a political/club forum for this.

[whottt]

Do you understand that i live in Argentina and i know where the comes the name of my country ? , so .. stop talking useless , search a little on google and forget about yout stupid argie teacher , he was wrong about Argentina like you are wrong about Scola.

But I just want to make sure you know that when you ask me if I know like that French and Spanish are descended from Latin...you aren't asking me that, you're asking him that. A PHD who speaks the major latin languages...who just so happens to be from Latin America.

He said argente. From the French.

And he said it was a combination of the words costa and argentino(from argente)

Costa Argentino
Costa Argente

= Argentina.



Smart guy.

[whottt]

And for the record, I speak fluent English, Spanish and Portuguese and only partially Italian and French (good enough to sustain a conversation, but not good enough to write, say, an essay).

Well...you seem to be weakest in the two languages that use a word derived from Argentum for silvery...as opposed to the ones that use a word that begins with P.

I'm not disputing what you say...to do so would require me to argue form a postion of ignorance...I'd just like more clarification. Because nothing you guys have told me yet would cons ute that....and I'd like to know these little things before I challenge the knowledge of a PHD in his own classroom.

[whottt]

It's going to be funny if you guys get owned on this...and it is derived from silvery coast...

Then we're going to see who the stupid ones are...because they don't even know the etymology of their own country.

For Me? That's easy...Amerigo Vespucci. Itailian(sigh and Latin) that was hard.

Based on this debate so far...I'm going with the PHD over the guys telling me like, do you know why it's called Latin America? And that think the knowledge that French, Italian and Spanish are descended from latin is somehow exclusive...

I think he's right and it does come from Costa being added to Argente(or Argentino)...and I think you guys are wrong...because neither of you have yet told me where they A came from...and he did, from Costa.


I wish you guys were right and he was wrong...as he flunked me on the first test and I would like nothing better than to bust his ass, unfortunatley that doesn't seem to be the case.


Let me know when you find out where the A came from...

[ElNono]

Which word? Argentina? I didn't say Argentina was a french word...I said it comes from a French word.

You said the name of the country, Argentina, comes from the French word argenté, together with something else relating to a coast. The earlier literature that refer to that region of land as 'Argentina' are both Spanish and Venetian.

That's got little or no relevance...France was the 1A or 1B world power at the point in time we are discussing here...and they are very close to Spain geographically, even if not on this continent.

Of course it's relevant. Each European kingdom got to name their colonies as they wished. The fact that there's no French colonies anywhere near that area, that the region was pretty much Spanish throughout it's existance as a colony, and the fact that most literature you can find from the era is not French would certainly point to France really having nothing to do with it.

Now, if you're looking for a certain date and time when somebody coined the word, you're not gonna get that. Not from me or your professor. But again, if you look back to what has been do ented, the French are probably the least you'll think about.

[whottt]

Now, if you're looking for a certain date and time when somebody coined the word, you're not gonna get that. Not from me or your professor.

Yeah...he's only got a PHD in linguistics(latin ones in particular)...what the would he know about word origins?

But again, if you look back to what has been do ented, the French are probably the least you'll think about.

You're trying to keep it civil and I respect that...but I don't think you understood what I was saying. I wasn't giving the historical facts...I was giving him the etymology as I was told it by a linguistics professor...I purposely glossed over the historical aspect.

[ElNono]

It's going to be funny if you guys get owned on this...and it is derived from silvery coast...

Then we're going to see who the stupid ones are...because they don't even know the etymology of their own country.

For Me? That's easy...Amerigo Vespucci. Itailian(sigh and Latin) that was hard.

Based on this debate so far...I'm going with the PHD over the guys telling me like, do you know why it's called Latin America? And that think the knowledge that French, Italian and Spanish are descended from latin is somehow exclusive...

I think he's right and it does come from Costa being added to Argente(or Argentino)...and I think you guys are wrong...because neither of you have yet told me where they A came from...and he did, from Costa.


I wish you guys were right and he was wrong...as he flunked me on the first test and I would like nothing better than to bust his ass, unfortunatley that doesn't seem to be the case.


Let me know when you find out where the A came from...

What's really funny is that we already told you where the A word comes from, not only me, but other posters also. It's Argentum, Latin for silver.
What's completely hilarious is that you rather stick with your PHD professor that pulled a fast one on you, than simply accept you might be wrong...

[whottt]

What's really funny is that we already told you where the A word comes from, not only me, but other posters also. It's Argentum, Latin for silver.
What's completely hilarious is that you rather stick with your PHD professor that pulled a fast one on you, than simply accept you might be wrong...

Not the beginning a, the ending one. Argentina.


I'm going to go ahead and conclude that the tenured PHD in Spanish Linguistics at the University I attend, who just so happens to be from Argentina, is probably more informed than two asshats on a message board that think they are smart because they know spanish and french are latin languages...call me silly. I don't think he was pulling a fast one for absolutely no reason about the origin of the name of his own home country...

I think that'd be pretty ing idiotic, and this guy does not strike me as an idiot. Even if that does make him somewhat of a rarity among the Argentines I know.

[ElNono]

He pulled a fast one on the entire class if what you say is true...why would he do that? Are argies just assholes that like to spread disinformation in general?

Wouldn't be the first time. There's an old saying back home: Argentina is a wonderful country, the only problem is that is full of argentines.

[whottt]

Wouldn't be the first time. There's an old saying back home: Argentina is a wonderful country, the only problem is that is full of argentines.

Damn that's harsh...I generally like them, unless their name is Scola.

[ElNono]

Not the beginning a, the ending one. Argentina.


I'm going to go ahead and conclude that the tenured PHD in Spanish Linguistics at the University I attend, who just so happens to be from Argentina, is probably more informed than two asshats on a message board that think they are smart because they know spanish and french are latin languages...call me silly. I don't think he was pulling a fast one for absolutely no reason about the origin of the name of his own home country...

I think that'd be pretty ing idiotic, and this guy does not strike me as an idiot. Even if that does make him somewhat of a rarity among the Argentines I know.

LOL, you believe what you want. You were backpedaling not 15 posts ago.

God forbid whottt gets his e-rep crushed AGAIN in these forums!

That Wikipedia article posted earlier by another user should tell you all you need to know about the name's origins. , they even have a picture of the 1502 poem. And BTW, you can tell your teacher 'que se deje de mandar fruta'...

[whottt]

LOL, you believe what you want. You were backpedaling not 15 posts ago.

Right...because I don't argue from a position of ignorance. You might, and you might think that because you do I do....but I don't.

All I have to do is call you a bag and you'll argue that the sky is yellow. And the more I call you a bag the harder you'll argue it's yellow.


Me however, I am the easiest guy in the world to beat when I am uncertain of what I am saying.

And what you see as me no longer backpedaling is me having a choice of who to believe here...and me being unconvinced by the wikipedia articles you are posting, as well as yourselves, what with the, "did you know Spanish and French are latin languages" type of brilliant insight.

God forbid whottt gets his e-rep crushed AGAIN in these forums!

Yeah whatever...the fact is that I have never argued that I am right in this particular debate...for I don't know for certain that I am. So my e-rep were I worried about it, was at no point on the line.

I said I learned something in class and repeated what I learned...you, the previous beneficiary of a couple of ass rippings from me said I was full of for repeating what I was told. As if it was some bold statement of fact.

And just for future reference...I'd much rather piss off dumbasses than have a good e-rep. Figure it out.

That Wikipedia article posted earlier by another user should tell you all you need to know about the name's origins. , they even have a picture of the 1502 poem.

Yeah I know what "wikipedia" says. Do you realize wikipedia pretty much sucks and is no subs ute for a formal education?

I also know what several other sources say, none of them are answering the question I am asking to be answered though...and neither are you.

[urunobili]

Sorry, sorry my bad "vos" is only used in Argentina keep using "tu"

EPIC FAIL

"vos" is used in both Rio de la Plata countries not exclusively in Argentina...

whottt FTW!

[ElNono]

Right...because I don't argue from a position of ignorance. You might, and you might think that because you do I do....but I don't.

whottt: does not argue the point as most would when being called full of for no reason. Because whottt knows he is not certain.

whottt then has his intelligence insulted and is the recipient of smartass remarks when whottt has never claimed expertise on the subject and has in fact asked for clarification.

See what I mean by ' ting all over yourself'??? You do this a lot. Please make up your mind...

Me however, I am the easiest guy in the world to beat when I am uncertain of what I am saying.

Been there repeatedly...

And what you see as me no longer backpedaling is me having a choice of who to believe here...and me being unconvinced by the wikipedia articles you are posting, as well as yourselves, what with the, "did you know Spanish and French are latin languages" type of brilliant insight.

My source is actually the government of Argentina itself. Here's the link:
http://www.argentina.gov.ar/argentin...tml?pagina=231

It just corroborates what the Wikipedia article expresses, but it's in spanish. Considering you're just learning spanish, I figured it would be difficult for you to use it as a source.

Yeah whatever...the fact is that I have never argued that I am right in this particular debate...for I don't know for certain that I am. So my e-rep were I worried about it, was at no point on the line.

Really? You keep on pushing your French agenda when showed repeated times to be wrong... just say you were wrong, that somebody pulled a fast one on you and we'll be moving on.

I said I learned something in class and repeated what I learned...you, the previous beneficiary of a couple of ass rippings from me said I was full of for repeating what I was told. As if it was some bold statement of fact.

LOL, this coming from the easiest guy to own in these forum. If I had a dime for each time you got owned in these forums, I would be looking at a multi million dollar stash right now.

And just for future reference...I'd much rather piss off dumbasses than have a good e-rep. Figure it out.

Sure you do. That's why you keep coming back.

Yeah I know what "wikipedia" says. Do you realize wikipedia pretty much sucks and is no subs ute for a formal education?

Are you going to argue with the government of Argentina now? I mean, I recall you arguing with the dictionary before. I'm not really surprised.

I also know what several other sources say, none of them are answering the question I am asking to be answered though...and neither are you.

You asked where the word Argentina comes from. Doesn't get much clear than:
La palabra argentina proviene del latín (argentum, plata).

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