Scola thread!

[ElNono]

Even if it comes from Argente, Argente still comes from Argentum.

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Tell me this...and granted I do not know about Spanish outside of cuss words...but correct me if I am wrong...

Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?


This is the point I believe he was making when he was explaining(exactly) how it came to be...Costa Argente(or Argentino) became Argentina...

The story about Rio de Plata makes no sense...not that I doubt it was true, because I do remember him mentioning something about that...but it doesn't excplain how or why the name Argentina came into being...

The Spanish and Portugese words for silver or silvery sound nothing like Argentina...and Rio doesn't explain the masculine to femenine change.

I don't know enough about Spanish to even be aware of this on my own.


Proof that the wikipedia articles and Argentine government source have holes in them...they keep mentioning the first time the word Argentina was used in in print...

This is well after Argentina was first discovered and colonized by Spain...so obviously there is more to the story and that is not in fact the origin of the word...neither is there being rivers with silver in them.


At least I know I don't have to hear you accusing me of having a French agenda


Anyway, like I said earlier...when this guy was explaining the spanish J he went through it's entire evolution dating from the Roman Empire. Every symbol it's ever been, every sound it's ever been, and exactly why the symbols and sounds changed...


So you can see why I am leaning towards believing him over El Nono and his, Spanish and French are latin languages insight.

The answer to your question is really simple if you knew Spanish:

La Plata (silver) is feminine. That's what makes it feminine.

[whottt]

La Plata (silver) is feminine. That's what makes it feminine.

No it's not so simple...because the name of the country is not Platina, it's Argentina. Nor have you(nor any article you have posted) explained why they adopted a different version of the word than the one offered by the Spanish or the Portugese languages. And that's what he explained. What every single part of the word Argentina means, how it arrived at that spelling. I've pointed that out several times now and you don't have an answer for that. You know why you don't have an answer? Because wikipedia isn't giving you one.


Still not sold that the brain known as El Nono knows more than the PHD Linguistics Professor. No matter how butthurt you get over it...You know, my lying full of PHD tenured Spanish Linguistics Professor, that I made up...



And keep telling yourself you don't care what I think...let's face it, look at your posting history, look at your sig, look at yourself right now. No air enters your lungs unless I fart it into them.

[whottt]

I really wish you were as much of an expert on this as you think you are. I'd have been indebted to you, but what you have given me, is Wikipedia and a rudimentary knowledge that can be gained by googling the word Argentina. That is worthless and I refuse to trust it or your insight. In any case, I will find out beyond all doubt tomorrow. It'd have been nice if you had given me ammo to combat this commie F giving asshole with...but what you have given me, I could have gotten from a 5th grader.

Sorry but I'm not going up against him armed with,"but Wikipedia says" and "Spanish and French are latin languages".

Go yourself for even thinking that was insightful. Brain.

[ElNono]

No it's not so simple...because the name of the country is not Platina, it's Argentina. Nor have you(nor any article you have posted) explained why they adopted a different version of the word than the one offered by the Spanish or the Portugese languages. And that's what he explained. What every single part of the word Argentina means, how it arrived at that spelling. I've pointed that out several times now and you don't have an answer for that. You know why you don't have an answer? Because wikipedia isn't giving you one.

If your professor explained it so well, what's stopping you from posting his explanation and actually verifying it's veracity? I mean, if he explained it so well, it shouldn't be that hard to prove it's accuracy. Obviously, when we hit the French connection, I fully expect an Epic Fail.
And BTW, you keep clinging on Wikipedia, but I actually posted a link to the Argentina's own goverment site explaining the history of the name.
If you are going to argue with that source, I fully expect better than 'I have a hunch my professor knows better' without any substantive evidence to back that up.

Still not sold that the brain known as El Nono knows more than the PHD Linguistics Professor. No matter how butthurt you get over it...You know, my lying full of PHD tenured Spanish Linguistics Professor, that I made up...

I don't have to nor pretend to convince you of anything. I just keep entertained by calling you out whenever you screw up, followed by toying with you when you try to defend your indefensible position. Works every time.

And keep telling yourself you don't care what I think...let's face it, look at your posting history, look at your sig, look at yourself right now. No air enters your lungs unless I fart it into them.

Don't flatter yourself. I mean, let's do look at my posting history. I would say less than 5% of my post are anywhere near related to you. The reality is that you're comedic gold. My sig is a prime example of how somebody can be so delusional and completely disconnected from reality. I mean, if you're so really worked up about my sig, I can remove it if you just ask.

[ElNono]

I really wish you were as much of an expert on this as you think you are. I'd have been indebted to you, but what you have given me, is Wikipedia and a rudimentary knowledge that can be gained by googling the word Argentina. That is worthless and I refuse to trust it or your insight. In any case, I will find out beyond all doubt tomorrow. It'd have been nice if you had given me ammo to combat this commie F giving asshole with...but what you have given me, I could have gotten from a 5th grader.

Sorry but I'm not going up against him armed with,"but Wikipedia says" and "Spanish and French are latin languages".

Go yourself for even thinking that was insightful. Brain.

Another problem with you whottt is that you're a cherry picker. Why not print out the article, in Spanish, from the Argentina goverment. I mean, the guy is from Argentina, he won't have a problem reading it.
The thing is, you rather cling to one or two cherries in order to try denigrate me or my posts. The problem with that tactic is the thread is still all there for everyone to see, so its easy to point out the obvious errors or ommisions.
I mean, if these forums would only show the last 10 posts, you might look like a genius. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and you look fairly re ed.

[whottt]

If your professor explained it so well, what's stopping you from posting his explanation and actually verifying it's veracity? I mean, if he explained it so well, it shouldn't be that hard to prove it's accuracy. Obviously, when we hit the French connection, I fully expect an Epic Fail.

Because asshat...I didn't take the ing notes on that part. I think I mentioned that before I even started arguing with you.

I told you my notes were ty...all I know is Costa and Argente...I didn't know those ing words before he explained it.

Have you or have you not seen me mention that I made an F on the test?

Probably because of my notes.

Do I sound like someone who is presenting himself as an expert?

IF you notice...I also mentioned I was taking a Spanish class before I was arguing with you...kinda takes a big on that whole I'm making this all up theory of yours doesn't it?





What's got you pissed off is that I refuse to be a stupid as you are and place blind faith in Wikipedia...and assume I know more than a PHD does just because I can google wikipedia or the Argentine goverment site...
and have a 5th grade education.


And seriously...you are the first Argentine I have known that views the Argentine govt as being credible on anything. The very first one.

Whether they are raving socialist or a totalitarian fascist...every Argie I've known on this board thinks the Govt of Argentina is pathetic.

And BTW, you keep clinging on Wikipedia, but I actually posted a link to the Argentina's own goverment site explaining the history of the name.

It has the same logic gap...and it doesn't detail how the name Argentina was derived sufficiently for my purposes. It gives this history with very little etymology...and this isn't a history class, it's a language class. I even said in the original post to DA that I don't remember all the details of the history.


You see it's not that I am saying you are wrong...it' that you are saying he is wrong, and you aren't proving .

If you are going to argue with that source, I fully expect better than 'I have a hunch my professor knows better' without any substantive evidence to back that up.

No...if you are going to say I am full of , not to mention the PHD...you had better do better than the you are providing.

Don't flatter yourself. I mean, let's do look at my posting history. I would say less than 5% of my post are anywhere near related to you. The reality is that you're comedic gold. My sig is a prime example of how somebody can be so delusional and completely disconnected from reality. I mean, if you're so really worked up about my sig, I can remove it if you just ask.

I don't want you to remove it...I'm pissed off all the other guys removed me from theirs. It's the internet equivalent of having my name tatooed on your ass.

Just don't have the audacity to say you don't care what I think when you are carrying a small novella by me in your sig...

You care what I think...you care what everyone thinks.

Beyond that, only a dumbass thinks I go into the political forum for the purpose of intelligent discourse...in fact, only a dumbass expects to find intelligent discourse in the political forum period.

[whottt]

Another problem with you whottt is that you're a cherry picker. Why not print out the article, in Spanish, from the Argentina goverment. I mean, the guy is from Argentina, he won't have a problem reading it.
The thing is, you rather cling to one or two cherries in order to try denigrate me or my posts.

What a gigantic penocha you are...you are the cherry picker, you are also the one that started talking . I sat there and said I don't remember the details of the history and you post the history and tell me I'm full of . Then you tell me I'm arguing something I've never attempted to argue...you are an idiot.

The problem with that tactic is the thread is still all there for everyone to see,

Like I said....you are incredibly weak minded and in need of support by others.

The reason we do not get along is that I am the exact opposite...if I see everyone agreeing with me, I am not achieving one of my main purposes on this board.

What makes you incomparably stupid is that you seem to think that getting people to agree with you makes you right...furthemore, you are too ing stupid to notice that I do nearly everything in my power to get people to disaagree with me in the course of an argument. You fail to see this, even though I have told you I do this...even as I was doing it to you.

Why? Because when they agree the moment will be genuine.


IF your judge of how you win an argument is how many people agree with you(and it is, pathetically), then you are always going to feel like you have accomplished something when arguing with me...because

A. I'm not looking to get as many people to agree with me as possible.
B. I have ing gotten into argument and started with nearly every poster on this board, and those I haven't yet...their time is coming.

Rest assured, when anyone agrees with me on anything, it is genuine...and not the pandering of weak asskisser such as yourself.

so its easy to point out the obvious errors or ommisions.
I mean, if these forums would only show the last 10 posts, you might look like a genius. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that, and you look fairly re ed.

I don't care how I look...if genius was common place, it wouldn't be genius. It's supposed to be solitary voice.

[kuato]

[WalterBenitez]

Even if it comes from Argente, Argente still comes from Argentum.


Look...I took French about 20 years ago but I do not remember virtually any of it...yet I know the French word for silvery is Argente.

Furthermore, at no point in my entire life have I known what Costa meant(although it's kind of obvious now that I know), and now I do.



Forget about all the stuff with the Portugese and Rio de Plata...I am not arguing against that stuff as I already stated I don't remember those details, didn't take notes on them, and in fact I remember him mentioning details of that sort...but that's not what he was explaining.


Tell me this...and granted I do not know about Spanish outside of cuss words...but correct me if I am wrong...


Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?




This is the point I believe he was making when he was explaining(exactly) how it came to be...Costa Argente(or Argentino) became Argentina...

The story about Rio de Plata makes no sense...not that I doubt it was true, because I do remember him mentioning something about that...but it doesn't excplain how or why the name Argentina came into being...

The Spanish and Portugese words for silver or silvery sound nothing like Argentina...and Rio doesn't explain the masculine to femenine change.

I don't know enough about Spanish to even be aware of this on my own.


Proof that the wikipedia articles and Argentine government source have holes in them...they keep mentioning the first time the word Argentina was used in in print...

This is well after Argentina was first discovered and colonized by Spain...so obviously there is more to the story and that is not in fact the origin of the word...neither is there being rivers with silver in them.


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Hey whottt,

I am surprised for your knowledge, as I remember from school you are right
only one minor comment ... we were found and conquered by Spain, there was a complete civilization before europeans came to this land.

After this post I am ready to offer you ("one time offer") ... a lovely peace period if you only post once ...

I love Scola!

[WalterBenitez]

No big deal and I know u r a cool poster.

Most Uruguayans (me included) have a complex about our independence and freedom and most of all, our differences with the Argies.

That's why it pisses us off when they tell us we are just one of ARG provinces in the soccer matches against each other

Language is not one of the main differentiators though... Just like what happens in between the Kiwis and the Aussies

The only thing I envy you (uruguayos) is Punta del Este and Natalia Oreiro

[whottt]

Hey whottt,

I am surprised for your knowledge, as I remember from school you are right

Seriously? That's awesome because I was beginning to think I was schizophrenic. But I'm not certain he's right myself...I'm just less convinced El Nono is.

Plus I kinda have sense you are saying that in the hopes it will shut me up.

only one minor comment ... we were found and conquered by Spain, there was a complete civilization before europeans came to this land.

Agree, and that earlier part of your history I know a little about, although I don't know as much about that particular region as I do others. But I do trash Spain a whole lot at times if it makes you feel any better.

After this post I am ready to offer you ("one time offer") ... a lovely peace period if you only post once ...

No thanks

#1. I was called into this thread.
#2. Even though I give you crap you are generally a nice guy and I don't think you've ever been rude to me unless I was provoking you first. Not that it would bother me if you were, but that's kind of a toothless deal there.

IF you can get El Nono to shut his stupid hole and admit I am simply better than he is PERIOD WITH NO QUALIFIERS OTOH...we'll that I might be interested in.(I still want to be in his sig though).

I love Scola!

You really shouldn't.

[leo_d]

----> Of course, the argentinian government is the main cause for the International Financial Crisis ... ohhh waith ... , ...

I don`t see how the lack of responsability to create the international financial crisis gives more credibility to the argentinian government.

[urunobili]

The only thing I envy you (uruguayos) is Punta del Este and Natalia Oreiro

well just FYI... Uruguayan's best kept secret.. they always root for Brazil when they play against you



Not me though... I'm just another Argie homer...

[smeagol]

as whottt was saying earlier in this thread... Wikipedia doesn't own the only indisputable truth in this planet for EVERYTHING...

I have worked with people from all of those countries for more than 9 months on a cruise line and i have NEVER and i mean NEVER heard them use "vos"...

Paraguay by the other hand... i missed them, my bad... they actually started to use it since the infection of the Argentinean Media (TV shows etc) in the region...

Also... FOXSPORTS using mostly argies for their shows may have started to spread it around in other countries in South America now i bet...

You are acting like the Uruguayan whottt (stubborn as ).,

Have you ever heard a Costa Rican talk? I'm sure you haven't.

Let me give you a hint: I have. They use the "vos" just like you and me. And it is not because of FoxSports.

If you cannot take my word for it, or Wikipidia's word, then take a ing plane to CR and hear them with your own ears.

[MB20]

well just FYI... Uruguayan's best kept secret.. they always root for Brazil when they play against you

Not nice. Not nice at all...

[ElNono]

Because asshat...I didn't take the ing notes on that part. I think I mentioned that before I even started arguing with you.

I told you my notes were ty...all I know is Costa and Argente...I didn't know those ing words before he explained it.

Have you or have you not seen me mention that I made an F on the test?

Probably because of my notes.

Do I sound like someone who is presenting himself as an expert?

IF you notice...I also mentioned I was taking a Spanish class before I was arguing with you...kinda takes a big on that whole I'm making this all up theory of yours doesn't it?

So you remember the presentation where he broke down the word every which way, but you don't actually remember anything he said. Convenient. And you're wondering why you got an F ?

What's got you pissed off is that I refuse to be a stupid as you are and place blind faith in Wikipedia...and assume I know more than a PHD does just because I can google wikipedia or the Argentine goverment site...
and have a 5th grade education.

And seriously...you are the first Argentine I have known that views the Argentine govt as being credible on anything. The very first one.

Whether they are raving socialist or a totalitarian fascist...every Argie I've known on this board thinks the Govt of Argentina is pathetic.

I disagree with many things with the Argentina's government, and said so repeatedly. That said, if you're going to pretend to de-authorize a tourism site from said government that has no motive whatsoever to be lying about the origins of a word, you need to provide ANYTHING that counters their argument. You know, some tangible rebuttal or evidence to the contrary. Otherwise, you're just yapping empty words as usual.

It has the same logic gap...and it doesn't detail how the name Argentina was derived sufficiently for my purposes. It gives this history with very little etymology...and this isn't a history class, it's a language class. I even said in the original post to DA that I don't remember all the details of the history.

The only logic gap is that it directly contradicts your account of a French background to the name.

You see it's not that I am saying you are wrong...it' that you are saying he is wrong, and you aren't proving .
No...if you are going to say I am full of , not to mention the PHD...you had better do better than the you are providing.

The burden of presenting evidence is now on your side. I said he was wrong and presented factual accounts demonstrating so. If you're going to argue that, then you need to bring more than your opinion. Something you have not done yet.

I don't want you to remove it...I'm pissed off all the other guys removed me from theirs. It's the internet equivalent of having my name tatooed on your ass.
Just don't have the audacity to say you don't care what I think when you are carrying a small novella by me in your sig...

You care what I think...you care what everyone thinks.

Is that what you call being delusional? A novella?
My sig concisely expresses what a complete disconnect a person like you has from reality. It's like a prelude to what to expect from a weakling like you. I like it. I'm definitely keeping it until I find anything more entertaining...

Beyond that, only a dumbass thinks I go into the political forum for the purpose of intelligent discourse...in fact, only a dumbass expects to find intelligent discourse in the political forum period.

We all come here for entertainment purposes. This thread is nothing more than pure entertainment. I never stated otherwise, so you can stop pretending I ever did.

IF you can get El Nono to shut his stupid hole and admit I am simply better than he is PERIOD WITH NO QUALIFIERS OTOH...we'll that I might be interested in.(I still want to be in his sig though).

If you want me to shut up, I want you to back up your assertion that Argentina comes from the French argenté. But since you can't, I'm going to have to stick around to keep calling you out for it.

I find it hilarious that you seek other people's help to try to 'shut me up'. Who is the weak minded and in need of support by others?
There you go contradicting yourself again...

[manubili]

Wow. You can argue about anything. For the record: the "Vos" is used in some cities of Colombia too. And "argentina" is not a french barbarism, is a spanish adjective, a synonym of "plateada", meaning silvery.

By the way, Scola had another double double.

[ElNono]

What a gigantic penocha you are...you are the cherry picker, you are also the one that started talking . I sat there and said I don't remember the details of the history and you post the history and tell me I'm full of . Then you tell me I'm arguing something I've never attempted to argue...you are an idiot.

I'm sorry, but we can go back and verify that the one that got this started was you posting garbage about how Argentina comes from a french word.
You ed up, and you got called out for it. That's how this works.

Like I said....you are incredibly weak minded and in need of support by others.

Sure I am. This coming from a guy soliciting help from other posters in order to shut me up... We got a winner right here.

The reason we do not get along is that I am the exact opposite...if I see everyone agreeing with me, I am not achieving one of my main purposes on this board.

What's that purpose? That other people tell you that you're better than them? I mean, if that is it, you're failing miserably.

[more irrelevant cheap psychology]

I don't care how I look...if genius was common place, it wouldn't be genius. It's supposed to be solitary voice.

Sure you don't. That's why you still here...

[urunobili]

You are acting like the Uruguayan whottt (stubborn as ).,

the only thing whottt and I have in common is that we love to argue with Argies...

Have you ever heard a Costa Rican talk? I'm sure you haven't.

Dude.. i have been there (Costa Rica)2 times... have you?

Let me give you a hint: I have. They use the "vos" just like you and me. And it is not because of FoxSports.

Thanks I'll check with some friends still doing the Cruise thing...

If you cannot take my word for it, or Wikipidia's word, then take a ing plane to CR and hear them with your own ears.

check my first answer... your word is enough though... i just can't remember them talking like that... probably i got distracted with their central american accent... so central american saying vos with their accent makes it almost impossible to hear...

[AnotherArgie]

Hi whottt,

Argentina is femenine correct?

The word Argentina came from Argentino(which came from Argente I was told)...

What turned it from masculine to feminine?

River, or Rio is masculine is it not?

Costa is feminine correct?

In the first do ented use of the word Argentina, in the poetry book La Argentina by del Barco Centenera (full download here: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/25317) I see he refers to both Argentina and Argentino without distinction, but when he talks about Argentina he speaks about a province (Provincia Argentina), while when he says Argentino he refers to its inhabitant.

The feminine looked to be the right choice, considering the official names the country has according to the original Cons ution. The first name we can find in the preamble is "Nación Argentina", which even today is correct as an official name. The old official name was "Confederación Argentina", and the modern name is "República Argentina".

Now, as to why they decided to call the country Nación Argentina, I don't know. I find interesting what your professor said, even if I wasn't able to find any do entation talking about it. But it's always nice to have different points of view about history.

[ElNono]

I've met a few Costa Ricans here in the states that use the 'vos'...
The minority really, and they just don't use it anywhere as regularly as the Argies/Uruguay people.

That said, I completely hate how most Costa Rican kids love to replace the r for the l these days... I cringe every time I hear one of them say a word like 'hablal' instead of hablar...

[urunobili]

I've met a few Costa Ricans here in the states that use the 'vos'...
The minority really, and they just don't use it anywhere as regularly as the Argies/Uruguay people.

That said, I completely hate how most Costa Rican kids love to replace the r for the l these days... I cringe every time I hear one of them say a word like 'hablal' instead of hablar...

+1

I think they got that from the Puerto Rican's (Ticos)

I think the rest of the Caribbean/Central American countries have that kind of accent too...

[WalterBenitez]

Seriously? That's awesome because I was beginning to think I was schizophrenic. But I'm not certain he's right myself...I'm just less convinced El Nono is.

Well, well, well ... my only major is in Business Management for being properly diagnosticated you should go with someone close to that field.

[whottt]

Wow. You can argue about anything. For the record: the "Vos" is used in some cities of Colombia too. And "argentina" is not a french barbarism, is a spanish adjective, a synonym of "plateada", meaning silvery.

By the way, Scola had another double double.

I do not see that definition in any Spanish dictionary...the closest I see is Argentine meaning "looks silvery".

[whottt]

I'm sorry, but we can go back and verify that the one that got this started was you posting garbage about how Argentina comes from a french word.

You can also go back and look and see at no point was I claiming to be an expert opinion on the subject. You can also see you calling me full of which often means deliberate deceitful, which would be incorrect in this case.

Furthermore, you can also see you presenting yourself as an expert on the subject and then when given a stage you open with Spanish and French are latin languages. And absolutely no one was impressed other than yourself.

You ed up, and you got called out for it. That's how this works.

Eh...whatever. I wasn't presenting myself as an expert opinion on the subject. If I was then you'd have a point...but you don't.

Sure I am. This coming from a guy soliciting help from other posters in order to shut me up... We got a winner right here.

You are incomparably stupid if you think that was actually a request for help to shut you up. It was a ing joke, as it was obviously request that would never be met.

Sure you don't. That's why you still here...

Unlike you...my presence was requested in this thread. Why are you still here?

Realize this...you are El Nono...and no one ever requests your presence in threads. Play to that audience sucker.