some GOP governeners don't want stimulus

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You miss the point... I'm not looking to him on how to run a democracy I'm looking to him as someone who is intamitley aware of the stupidity of socialisim.

Socialism is a nice omnibus term for people with small minds. Stalinism and later Soviet regimes are one thing. Maoism and the current economic policies of China are another. Castros Cuba was termed a communist state but it was run closer to a monarchy. None of the above are Marxism etc.

using Soviet Russia as an indictment of socialism is like using Chang Kai Shek as an indictment of democracy.

[micca]

Socialism is a nice omnibus term for people with small minds. Stalinism and later Soviet regimes are one thing. Maoism and the current economic policies of China are another. Castros Cuba was termed a communist state but it was run closer to a monarchy. None of the above are Marxism etc.

using Soviet Russia as an indictment of socialism is like using Chang Kai Shek as an indictment of democracy.

The Soviet union wasn't just a bunch of pesants who dallied with socialisim, they were the authors of most of the socialist experments on the planet they had universities full of socialist scholars who were coming out with new and improved flavors of soialisim that they could export, They funded castro they funded the american communist party, the workers party,the international socialist party in the u.s. and europe, they funded and guided most of the socialist and communist political movment in Europe, they educated people from all over the third world in russian universities in socialist an communist theroy, and then sent them home to spread the wealth. The far reaching and varied influence that the soviet union had over socialist and communist thought far far exceded what you suggest.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The Soviet union wasn't just a bunch of pesants who dallied with socialisim, they were the authors of most of the socialist experments on the planet they had universities full of socialist scholars who were coming out with new and improved flavors of soialisim that they could export, They funded castro they funded the american communist party, the workers party,the international socialist party in the u.s. and europe, they funded and guided most of the socialist and communist political movment in Europe, they educated people from all over the third world in russian universities in socialist an communist theroy, and then sent them home to spread the wealth. The far reaching and varied influence that the soviet union had over socialist and communist thought far far exceded what you suggest.

but how m uch of the profits or wealth trickle down to the peasants? not much. Cause every kent frop top to middle management in govt wanted their fair share in proceeds, corruption is a .

We all should go back to a cash basis or gold basis if you wanna trade..... credit.

[Purple & Gold]

LOL Wild Cobra is such an idiot. California has the 8th largest economy in the world but yet Wild Cobra says them let them deal with it. Like it wont affect the rest of the country

Cali has never recovered from getting fleeced by Enron and all the other energy companies. Davis was inept and Bush was in bed with them turning a blind eye to the whole situation. This is the main cause of California's woes as of right now. That the housing collapse and Arnie being an idiot and not wanting to raise taxes. Even Reagan, when Governor, wasn't dumb enough to think he couldn't raise taxes.

While Arnold has done some things that I like and has separated him from other Repubs he still falls for the classic Repub downfall of no more taxes ever. Maybe he can do a "read my lips" next time.

[Purple & Gold]

California is important to America in so far as what not to do. People outside California still see it as some El Dorado that it is not, They are blinded by it's immense wealth, but that wealth is only shared by a few.California of 30 years ago had the promise of being a great and relevant place, it was making alot of contributions to America, but not so much anymore.Today California is playground, and hunting ground for the greedy.If it was not for immigration and most importantly illegal aliens the population of the state would be going down, because of massive migrations out of the state by the middle class. It is hard to own a home, it's hard to save money, and the quality of life for people is just a political football for evil and corrupt men.California is no longer the golden state it is the gilded state.L.A. is filled with mexican and central american gangs that have turned it into a shooting gallery, blacks are being hunted and driven out of Watts and Compton by them,you may have heard of Jamil Shaw or Jamil's bill, and tons of drug money is being laundred in california by the cartels, and one of the prime bussinesses to laundry money through is southeren californian politicians.
Northeren Ca. real estate has become a roulette wheel, the hippie dippy ecolgoy bull is just that bull , Ca. does this minstral show of progressive ecology crap and yet it builds, and builds, and builds, and does nothing to curb population growth. northeren Ca. sonoma and napa counties were filled with incrediblly diverse farms,but now it's all one giant monoculture of wineries draining the salmon runs dry so rich dilitenes have a country place, and a vanity winery, where there are five star resturants on every corner, and you can enjoy a 400 dollar lunch without have to see the plebes.The State is killing the middle class and the working class, and the democrtic ideal as well , but hey if your rich and indolent it's a great place.

While Cali can be a dangerous place and there are many things here that are not right it is not nearly as bleak as you make it out to be. The race wars in Compton and Watts have been horrible and should have been dealt with years ago by the community. It is not nearly as bad in other historically "violent" places such as Inglewood and East LA where hispanics and blacks are moving into the "other" areas. Of course there is still crime and violence, but nothing like what has been going on in Watts and Compton. It's sad that these racist views have manifested itself to what they are now.

[Extra Stout]

California is not sustainable. 40 years ago it had a good model as the Science State, producing all these highly educated people and bringing in high-tech jobs. These supported a strong tax base. But those days are long gone.

The tech bubble and the real estate bubble have kept the illusion of a productive California going for 20 years. Now those are over and the reality of a state barreling towards 20 percent unemployment and financial insolvency is upon us.

Maybe San Francisco is sustainable in some way, but Los Angeles and San Diego are absolutely toast. Metro L.A. needs to lose about 15 million people like yesterday. There's no water. The Sierra is tapped out, and average snowpack keeps falling. Life depends on 90-minute commutes in a world where peak oil has passed. The pleasant Mediterranean climate is slowly being squeezed out as the desert encroaches. , the entire reason San Diego bloomed into a major city to begin with was real estate, and that has gone up in flames. And oh yes, don't forget the literal flames that burn up more and more acres each year.

Then there's the structure of the state government, which is set up so it is virtually impossible to raise taxes, but very easy for citizens to pass referenda that mandate spending.

California is a way of life that is disappearing as we speak. But let's not just bash them. They are a portent of what is coming for the rest of us. The American middle-class way of life is ending, and the poverty and hopelessness we thought ourselves immune from soon will visit us as it does most of the rest of the world.

[Wild Cobra]

I simply don't believe in throwing good money after bad into the fire. Let the bad government structures die, and be replaced by new healthy ones.

[Obstructed_View]

All California has to do to solve their financial problems is drill for oil.

[TDMVPDPOY]

All California has to do to solve their financial problems is drill for oil.

drill for oil? no not worth it, at the price of around US$40 per barrel aint worth it.....

i doubt we see prices of around 100-130+ again

[Winehole23]

i doubt we see prices of around 100-130+ again

Not that we can really afford it, but I think we will.

[balli]

Does Cali even have oil? Offshore? In National Parks? I haven't ever heard of Cali being referred to as a potentially worthwhile oil producer.

What Cali really needs to do is start selling weed through a state agency.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Does Cali even have oil? Offshore? In National Parks? I haven't ever heard of Cali being referred to as a potentially worthwhile oil producer.

What Cali really needs to do is start selling weed through a state agency.

offshore its coasts.....it was blocked for some reason....

[Winehole23]

using Soviet Russia as an indictment of socialism is like using Chang Kai Shek as an indictment of democracy.

In fairness the indictments work.

[Winehole23]

California is not sustainable...

Maybe San Francisco is sustainable in some way, but Los Angeles and San Diego are absolutely toast. Metro L.A. needs to lose about 15 million people like yesterday. There's no water. The Sierra is tapped out, and average snowpack keeps falling. Life depends on 90-minute commutes in a world where peak oil has passed. The pleasant Mediterranean climate is slowly being squeezed out as the desert encroaches. , the entire reason San Diego bloomed into a major city to begin with was real estate, and that has gone up in flames. And oh yes, don't forget the literal flames that burn up more and more acres each year.

Then there's the structure of the state government, which is set up so it is virtually impossible to raise taxes, but very easy for citizens to pass referenda that mandate spending.

California is a way of life that is disappearing as we speak. But let's not just bash them. They are a portent of what is coming for the rest of us. The American middle-class way of life is ending, and the poverty and hopelessness we thought ourselves immune from soon will visit us as it does most of the rest of the world.

When John Lukacs said the twenty-first century would be an age of migration, I never imagined he meant our own country.

[balli]

It's like a reverse Grapes of Wrath.