I ended up having to read a transcript of the speech because I couldn't stand to watch Pelosi.
I sincerely hope she gets hit by a bus.
I ended up having to read a transcript of the speech because I couldn't stand to watch Pelosi.
I sincerely hope she gets hit by a bus.
The Jindal transcript.
Delivery was stilted and mechanical as universally noted but it was a smart speech IMO.
Jindal led with his own immigrant story, then folded self-promotion with declarations of GOP bona fides (whatever passes for that), hitting most of the same themes as Obama and attempting to outdo his -- ...pause... I've forgotten the word just now...
Optimism about America.
Jindal's dismal debut on the national stage will no doubt spur him to acquire some chops on TV. Should he somehow manage to do so he could be a serious opponent for Obama in 2012.
Themes and talking points:Americans can do anything.
On the bailoutEnergyDemocratic leaders say their legislation will grow the economy. What it will do is grow the government, increase our taxes down the line, and saddle future generations with debt. Who among us would ask our children for a loan, so we could spend money we do not have, on things we do not need? That is precisely what the Democrats in Congress just did. It's irresponsible. And it's no way to strengthen our economy, create jobs, or build a prosperous future for our children.Tax cutsTo stop that from happening, we need to increase conservation, increase energy efficiency, increase the use of alternative and renewable fuels, increase our use of nuclear power, and increase drilling for oil and gas here at home.Universal health care?Since I became governor, we cut more than 250 earmarks from our state budget. To create jobs for our citizens, we cut taxes six times -- including the largest income tax cut in the history of our state. We passed those tax cuts with bipartisan majorities. Republicans and Democrats put aside their differences -- we worked together to make sure our people could keep more of what they earn. If it can be done in Baton Rouge, surely it can be done in Washington, D.C.SkoolsWe stand for universal access to affordable health care coverage..After Katrina, we reinvented the New Orleans school system, opening dozens of new charter schools, and creating a new scholarship program that is giving parents the chance to send their children to private or parochial schools of their choice. We believe that, with the proper education, the children of America can do anything
Tough talk, but Jindal has local cred on the topicSecurity boilerplateLast year, we passed some of the strongest ethics laws in the nation and today, Louisiana has turned her back on the corruption of the past. We need to bring transparency to Washington, D.C., so we can rid our Capitol of corruption and ensure we never see the passage of another trillion dollar spending bill that Congress has not even read and the American people haven't even seen.Katrina AnecdoteAs we take these steps, we must remember for all our troubles at home, dangerous enemies still seek our destruction. Now is no time to dismantle the defenses that have protected this country for hundreds of years, or make deep cuts in funding for our troops.Oblique reference to National Socialism?Those of us who lived through Hurricane Katrina -- we have our doubts.
Let me tell you a story.
During Katrina, I visited Sheriff Harry Lee, a Democrat and a good friend of mine. When I walked into his makeshift office, I'd never seen him so angry. He was yelling into the phone: "Well, I'm the Sheriff and if you don't like it you can come and arrest me!" I asked him: "Sheriff, what's got you so mad?" He told me that he had put out a call for volunteers to come with their boats to rescue people who were trapped on their rooftops by the floodwaters. The boats were all lined up ready to go, when some bureaucrat showed up and told them they couldn't go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration. I told him, "Sheriff, that's ridiculous." And before I knew it, he was yelling into the phone: "Congressman Jindal is here, and he says you can come and arrest him too!" Harry just told the boaters to ignore the bureaucrats and go start rescuing people.Prove itIn all these areas, Republicans want to work with President Obama. We appreciate his message of hope, but sometimes it seems we look for hope in different places. Democratic leaders in Washington -- they place their hope in the federal government. We place our hope in you, the American people. In the end, it comes down to an honest and fundamental disagreement about the proper role of government. We oppose the National Democratic view that says the way to strengthen our country is to increase dependence on government. We believe the way to strengthen our country is to restrain spending in Washington, to empower individuals and small businesses to grow our economy and to create jobs.
In recent years, these distinctions in philosophy became less clear -- our party got away from its principles. You elected Republicans to champion limited government, fiscal discipline and personal responsibility. Instead, Republicans went along with earmarks and big government spending in Washington. Republicans lost your trust -- and rightly so.
Tonight, on behalf of our leaders in Congress and my fellow Republican governors, I say this: Our party is determined to regain your trust. We will do so by standing up for the principles that we share, the principles you elected us to fight for, the principles that built this into the greatest, most prosperous country on earth.And where we disagree, Republicans have a responsibility to be candid and offer better ideas for a path forward.
Last edited by Winehole23; 02-25-2009 at 10:17 AM.
johnsmith:
For completeness, in the future please provide a link. Don't hoard the knowledge.
Thanks,
WH23
Makes you wonder how in the this guy was ever a Rhodes Scholar.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/200...al-meditation/What should government do? A Jindal meditation
What is the appropriate role of government?
Traditionally, the division between conservatives and liberals has been over the role and size of the welfare state: liberals think that the government should play a large role in sanding off the market economy’s rough edges, conservatives believe that time and chance happen to us all, and that’s that.
But both sides, I thought, agreed that the government should provide public goods — goods that are nonrival (they benefit everyone) and nonexcludable (there’s no way to restrict the benefits to people who pay.) The classic examples are things like lighthouses and national defense, but there are many others. For example, knowing when a volcano is likely to erupt can save many lives; but there’s no private incentive to spend money on monitoring, since even people who didn’t contribute to maintaining the monitoring system can still benefit from the warning. So that’s the sort of activity that should be undertaken by government.
So what did Bobby Jindal choose to ridicule in this response to Obama last night? Volcano monitoring, of course.
And leaving aside the chutzpah of casting the failure of his own party’s governance as proof that government can’t work, does he really think that the response to natural disasters like Katrina is best undertaken by uncoordinated private action? Hey, why bother having an army? Let’s just rely on self-defense by armed citizens.
The intellectual incoherence is stunning. Basically, the political philosophy of the GOP right now seems to consist of snickering at stuff that they think sounds funny. The party of ideas has become the party of Beavis and Butthead.
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He embarrassed himself and his party on national TV. Completely butchered a major speech. If you don't want to hear about it, get the out of the political forum and go talk about Rhianna in the club.
Aside: I thought one of the best parts of the night was when Obama as clearly as possible promised not to raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000. Given how prone the republicans are to straight lying about Obama's tax plans, their reaction was utterly priceless.
Do you read at all, LockBeard? I actually had one or two nice things to say about Bobby Jindal apart from giving him oxygen to breathe in this thread.
The Louisiana liberals I know fear and respect Bobby Jindal even if they aren't personally taken in by him.
Ethics reform in Lousiana is no joke, even though Jindal initially proposed to except himself from the law's purview. The legislature wouldn't budge until the Governor relented, so he relented. The reform goes top to bottom, and that's practically a first in LA.
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I actually don't know much about him, but I have gotten the impression that yes, he is ethical, as well as smart. He's never been a guy I had serious umbrage with and I was really looking forward to hearing him last night. And that's why I was so dismayed by what I heard.
Now I'm not ready to entirely write off Bobby Jindal (the more I learn, the more I may like him), but as a person who was explicitly watching last night to learn more about him, I have to say, he left a of a bad first impression.
Fifty minutes of handouts for a nation in which a minority actually pay federal income taxes.
White bread Republican. You won't like him.
The only thing is, and this totally undercuts my screed against the inanity of his spending argument, but neverminding the recession, in general I can respect politicians, right and left, who promote fiscal responsibility. And Bobby Jindal wasn't one of the republicans who racked up this deficit; in fact he's seemingly been critical of congressional republicans, IIRC.
And right now, obviously, his fiscal beliefs are meritless. He doesn't seem to understand that any spending in America is good spending. But I'm more inclined to respect a true fiscal conservative trapped between the crisis and his beliefs, than any number of Republicans who spent us into this deficit.
On social issues he's rigidly conservative right? Which sucks, but at the same time he doesn't strike me as a dude who's gonna get caught with his in a place it shouldn't be. In other words, I think he's genuine.
But of course, I don't like him and never will. I thought he was a joke last night. Still, I think he has the potential to garner more of my respect than many other Republicans.
I thought he showed good judgment to withdraw himself from consideration as veep last year. And he positioned himself nicely for the GOP diversity road show rollout featuring RNC chairman, erstwhile hobo roller and incipient hip-hopper, Michael Steele.
Last edited by Winehole23; 02-25-2009 at 09:35 PM.
He was supposed to be a figurehead to counter Obama. Jindal would have been a much better candidate than that empty suit.
He might still.
Damn sight better than Palin IMO.
This much is true, yes.
Ive never for a moment thought Obama spoke down to his audience (me included). His oratory skills are reason numero uno he won to begin with...hes in elite company when it comes to speech-writing. Ive always thought him speaking to "us" like an adult is what seperated him from his compe ion. So far, he hasnt let that part of his game slip an inch.I may be wrong, but you've asked for him to speak to you like an adult if I remember correctly. He did just that with that line. I'm very surprised to see you had an issue with it.
My objection to such a statement (that "dropping out of high school is not only quitting on yourself, its quitting on your country") is what such a statement implies.
Are we going to start punishing high school drop-outs? Or ostracizing them in some way? What makes you better than a person who dropped out of high school (not you particularly, Manny)?
Like I said in the post you quoted, it just seemed a very odd choice of words ("quitting on your country" which to me is slightly less accusatory than treason). Since Obama isnt prone to verbal mishaps, nor is his vocabulary and word choice lacking, one can assume he meant exactly as he said.
And I do not agree with him in the slightest. I could guess that a vast majority of high school dropouts quit school for dubious reasons (school sucks), but not all of them. I am quite sure you could use your imagination to come up with at least 4 good reasons that high school becomes very unimportant.
My step-mother was a high school dropout and she'd work circles around me to this day. She was the oldest, her father died when she was 12, her mother died when she was 15. It was either be a typical adolescent and avoid your familial responsibilities and leave it to the state to decide your family's fate, or prove yourself, get emancipated and provide a home life for yourself and 2 younger siblings (who she sent to college, one is a lawyer (sister) one is a doctor (brother).
I employ 3 high school dropouts. Hardest working mother-jammers I employ. One comes from a dysfunctional home I wont even get into. Needless to say, I would have run away too, school be damned. The other made a poor choice and got a girl pregnant when they were 15, she had the kid when they were 16.
His family (and hers) rejected them and told them both "Welcome to the real world" (not uncommon in my experience with teenage pregnancy, tbh). They were thrown on the street early in her preganancy with no money and nowhere to live. Through a series of various moves and favors, they got by through her pregnancy until birth (State paid for it). He was working 3 jobs at 16, 15+ hours a day. Some time after he turned 18, I hired him. That was 6 years ago and his baby girl is doing quite well in school and her health insurance is taken care of thru his employer (me).
My point is, a sweeping indictment on all high school dropouts is dumb, to say the least. I am not blind and fully realize out of the 15 or so dropouts I personally know, 10+ are for all the wrong reasons. But those 5 or so left over had hard, hard lives and had to grow up a uva lot faster than me (and I was never a child, per say, Ive been employed since I was 11 (dishwasher, pizza maker, bus boy, burger flipper, furniture salesman, welder, shipping and receiving manager (hardly management, but that was my le), detailer (engineering thing), quality control, upper management, General Manager)).
Ive never been unemployed. Ive never collected an unemployment check in my life, nor will I ever (I can say that with utmost confidence). Yet I hold no grudge against those who have or those who havent made the same choices I have. I dont pretend to understand their situation and every factor that plays a role in his/her life. It just surprised me that the POTUS chose not to mince words on a subject that bears some level of sentiment. Instead, he chose condemnation, which is quite odd and a little troubling.
Someone has to make your food, wash your dishes, clean your car at the carwash, etc, etc. People with any semblance of an education do not perform these tasks. The under-educated do and you know what....theyre damn good at it and dont demand much money for their service.
Obviously, graduation rates in this country (and particularly the Detroit area) need to increase rapidly. But what does that even mean? Lower the bar? Make them learn/participate? Cant make people learn anything (ask any advertiser), no....the only thing you can do is lower the standard, inflating the graduation numbers but churning out the same, under-educated masses we always have save now they have a meaningless high school diploma.
The POTUS didnt expand on this subject, nor do I think the Address to Congress was the appropriate time. But I would certainly like to know more about how a high school dropout has somehow quit his/her country with their decision, because that seems an awful lot of hyperbole or a real indication of Obama's view on nearly half of the American population (according to his stat he threw out).
Last edited by DarkReign; 02-25-2009 at 05:32 PM.
You're reading far too much into it. FAR too much. I think Obama was just saying he wasnt more people to graduate.
I guess thats what you end up with when such a tiny minority hoard all the wealth.
Also very possible. But those were strong words, "quitting on your country", if he didnt mean them as spoken.
You actually believe that? Stick to waxing your barometer.
Its a fact. A small percentage of this country controls the majority of the wealth. Stick to fluffing your pussy.
Either of you guys wearing jock support? Link, please.
So now it's control instead of hoard. How convenient. Still doesn't justify a minority paying income taxes to carry deadweight such as yourself.
And yet you support an administration who by all actions since assuming control of our country is working hard to consolidate more power over all of our lives for itself and its party.
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