Splitter Watch (DraftExpress Blog)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Well, if you're only going to compare it to the biggest clubs, the biggest clubs over here are doing just as well as the biggest ones over there - in fact, our top revenue gainers turn MUCH larger profits.

There may be some individual teams in ESP and GRE that are in better shape than some individual teams over here - but with the recession hitting Europe just as hard as its hitting us, that'll trickle down there eventually as well (as we've already seen with the Russians - their unlimited spending money hasn't been talked about since the price of oil dropped).

You are being stupid. NBA clubs have to play by rules of CBA and new one will be much less than current one even this comes from players, agents and Stern himself. Europe clubs have no rules to follow. They can spend whatever they want.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

he'd make over a million I believe, not just 836 grand.

BUT, he has the potential after a couple years, to make over 8 to 10, as opposed to 2 or 3.

In Europe his salary is NET. He can easily get more than 4-5 million dollars net in his next contract in Europe from clubs like CSKA, PAO, Olympiacos.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

the recession has already arrived here in Europe and we will struggle as much as the states. there is kind of a hit list, which countries will fold first and many predictions go like Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain....
however, either Greece and Spain will be hit badly and rather sooner than later.
how much this effects the teams will be seen and depends also much on the business of the owners.
look at Tau, the team of Splitter. the company of Tau ceramica is one of the largest producers of all kinds of ceramic products for bathrooms and kitchens and ceramic tiles for floors. the break down of the real estate market in Spain will very likely hit them hard. for sure this will affect the team. point is, even if they still could somehow afford to run the team, it is almost impossible to see the management fire hundreds or thousands of employees and still run one of the most expensive basketball teams in Europe.

and we must not forget that the self-financing rate (don't know if this is the right term) of European basketball teams are much lower than for example the case with soccer teams. (talking about tickets and TV payments). there has to be much more money coming from owners and sponsors. and this pool will dry out quickly in times of recession.

PAO and Olympiacos will not be affected at all. There supporters and also the Greek state will give them whatever they need. Also you must remember that both of these clubs have entire budget paid for by sponsors. Olympiacos does not even pay 1 dollar of Childress contract for example. Sponsors pay all of it.

Also Olympia Milano is another club. They have ability to have huge sponsorships and can buy whatever roster they want. They have just not done so in recent years but they already announce that next year they will do so. These type of clubs can give Splitter whatever he asks for if they want to.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

wtf are you talking about. You know jack about economy. The Euro is tanking big time relative to the dollar. European banks are in worse trouble than US banks, they are MORE leveraged, have exposure not only to the overinflated US real estate market and the overinflated European market but they've also made massive loans to Eastern European countries and Ireland which are now defaulting, and to top that the socialist worker state unions give no room for labor adjustments. European owners are in a world of hurt.

You are an idiot. Panathinaikos and Olympiacos will be able to spend more than ANY NBA team starting next year. They are funded by sponsors, the Greek state, and their supporters. Plus the owners are STILL multi billionaires even in current economy.

If you did not not know new NBA contracts starting this year will be much less. Even players union head state he believe maybe half what they used to be. Owners of Olympiacos for example have already say they would spend $30 million a year on Kobe and $50 million on Lebron.

CSKA can give Splitter more than any NBA team but they may have to cut budget because they have not gotten as much sponsor profit because of Russian economy.

But clubs like PAO and Olympiacos? You know NOTHING about them. Also in case you did not know Euro dropping means NOTHING on this issue. So many NBA fans is clueless about everything of teams in Europe.

ALL players in big clubs can choose to be paid in euros or dollars. Childress for example he gets paid in each pay check by whichever is higher that week by percentage. Players do NOT get paid in euros only. They can chosoe dollars anytime they want. So if euro dropped to .50 of 1 dollar they get paid in DOLLARS. Some things people say is so ignorant.

Also no one realize there is clubs like Barca and Real Madrid in Spain. If either club wanted Splitter there is no hope for Spurs to ever get him. These clubs is richer than what Americans can grasp no matter how many times it is explain to them. They can buy a team like TAU over 100 times probably.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

dude... thanks but no thanks... we have The Gist, The Bonsu and The Savior (Mahimni) as our future bigs... When Splitter is ready to come... Oberto and Thomas will have retired so... we can wait...

[mountainballer]

wtf are you talking about. You know jack about economy. The Euro is tanking big time relative to the dollar. European banks are in worse trouble than US banks, they are MORE leveraged, have exposure not only to the overinflated US real estate market and the overinflated European market but they've also made massive loans to Eastern European countries and Ireland which are now defaulting, and to top that the socialist worker state unions give no room for labor adjustments. European owners are in a world of hurt.

you are right about most points (unfortunately also about the loans to Eastern Europe, which will hurt my country big time, since Austrian banks and companies are by far the biggest investors in Eastern Europe).
not so much about the labor unions. in most countries they agreed to a big increase of short-time work models. (and it's a bit simplifying to just call it "socialist worker state unions", maybe the American view, there are really many different cultures in different countries how those unions act. some American unions will look pretty "socialistic" in comparison to some situations in Europe)

[Oh, Gee!!]

it's likely and even probable that you will never see splitter in a spurs uniform

[picnroll]

You are an idiot. Panathinaikos and Olympiacos will be able to spend more than ANY NBA team starting next year. They are funded by sponsors, the Greek state, and their supporters. Plus the owners are STILL multi billionaires even in current economy.

If you did not not know new NBA contracts starting this year will be much less. Even players union head state he believe maybe half what they used to be. Owners of Olympiacos for example have already say they would spend $30 million a year on Kobe and $50 million on Lebron.

CSKA can give Splitter more than any NBA team but they may have to cut budget because they have not gotten as much sponsor profit because of Russian economy.

But clubs like PAO and Olympiacos? You know NOTHING about them. Also in case you did not know Euro dropping means NOTHING on this issue. So many NBA fans is clueless about everything of teams in Europe.

ALL players in big clubs can choose to be paid in euros or dollars. Childress for example he gets paid in each pay check by whichever is higher that week by percentage. Players do NOT get paid in euros only. They can chosoe dollars anytime they want. So if euro dropped to .50 of 1 dollar they get paid in DOLLARS. Some things people say is so ignorant.

Also no one realize there is clubs like Barca and Real Madrid in Spain. If either club wanted Splitter there is no hope for Spurs to ever get him. These clubs is richer than what Americans can grasp no matter how many times it is explain to them. They can buy a team like TAU over 100 times probably.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Splitter is a very good player this is obvious and he can help Spurs. But he will not probably come over ever because of his situation or if he does will be 2 years at least.

This is facts for stupid fools here that do not know facts but only imagine truth.


There is 3 centers in Euroleague right now is all NBA level.

Nikola Pekovic
Tiago Spliiter
Ioannis Bourousis

And if doubt this just ask draftexpress they will tell you same. Many of you here are just damn stupid idiots. Bourousis is good and they will tell you that. You idiots are all the same. You here of Splitter = good. have not hear of Bourousis = bad.

It is pathetic and funny. You know nothing about game in Europe. Then we get idiots that says things like "I know game in Europe KBP lies so and so player is not this and that"..........they are either LIARS or re s because they are wrong in everything they say.

They would have probably argued that Manu was garbage back in time when he was in Europe. This is how bad they are in basketball knowledge here. They must be French fans because they are so lacking in basketball knowledge.

ANY of these 3 centers will help Spurs and can put Bonner on bench as shooter help where he should be.

This is is how it is.

Pekovic rights is held by Wolves and can pay him MLE. He is in PAO now and will probably never leave there. So he is off list.

Splitter is possible but unlikely and even then probably by time he did come if he did will be end of this team. Duncan will be OLD. Forget him for now.

Bourousis = zero dollar NBA opt out this summer. He can only opt out for NBA club and no European club. If he does not opt out this year then he is locked in his contract for several years in future.

If Spurs have any smarts they will get him this summer. Besides he is a much better shooter and rebounder than Splitter is anyway.

[picnroll]

Lmfao

Looking forward to the collapse of the NBA a d Kobe, LeBron and Wade signing up in the Greek bush leagues.

Greek economy will be one of the ones at the bottom of the toilet.

[temujin]

wtf are you talking about. You know jack about economy. The Euro is tanking big time relative to the dollar.

The problem is the dollar will never be the money of reference again.
Can't issue checks nobedy will ever cash in.
No more.

European banks are in worse trouble than US banks,

No.

they are MORE leveraged, have exposure not only to the overinflated US real estate market

Some of them.

and the overinflated European market

Not as overinflated and not all of them.

but they've also made massive loans to Eastern European countries and Ireland which are now defaulting,

Some of them.

and to top that the socialist worker state unions give no room for labor adjustments.

In other words, we have in place NOW, what you will have in place TOMORROW.

European owners are in a world of hurt.

Those that are liquid, those that didn't invest into the loosers market, those that do NOT have toxic paper, those are in freaking good position, actually.

[temujin]

Lmfao

Looking forward to the collapse of the NBA a d Kobe, LeBron and Wade signing up in the Greek bush leagues.

Greek economy will be one of the ones at the bottom of the toilet.

No.
Looking forward to Kobe and James to make a more reasonable amount of money, and to a few non-US players to go back to Europe.

[mountainballer]

PAO and Olympiacos will not be affected at all. There supporters and also the Greek state will give them whatever they need. Also you must remember that both of these clubs have entire budget paid for by sponsors. Olympiacos does not even pay 1 dollar of Childress contract for example. Sponsors pay all of it.

Also Olympia Milano is another club. They have ability to have huge sponsorships and can buy whatever roster they want. They have just not done so in recent years but they already announce that next year they will do so. These type of clubs can give Splitter whatever he asks for if they want to.

ok, once more I do a big mistake to argue with you. you just don't get it.
PAO and Olympiacos can cry for the help from the government as much as they want, because the state of Greece will be bankrupt. and the European Union will have to save them and they for sure won't ship tons of money there to watch the Greek finance some sport teams with that money.
they can also cry for help from the sponsors as much as they want, their sponsors will have different worries than burn money for some spoiled pro athletes.
and the supporters will be happy if they have some 10 Euros left to watch a game.
that won't be enough to collect the 30 million per you wanted to hand Kobe to play in Greece. (or was it Lebron? I forgot)

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Lmfao

Looking forward to the collapse of the NBA a d Kobe, LeBron and Wade signing up in the Greek bush leagues.

Greek economy will be one of the ones at the bottom of the toilet.

Once again you are person that is idiot.

Greek state, sponsors, and supporters cover budgets of PAO and Olympiacos. Evene if owners suffer they do not pay the budget costs you idiot. Also Greek economy has ALREADY been hit you idiot. And the owners are still multi billion owners.

Spurs is like a poor house like a shack compared to the money of such clubs.

[bigfan]

The financial crisis that has hit the US has yet to really hit Europe. No tellin g what the financial status of any Euro team will be a year from now. Splitter is off the radar for a year, we move on but retain his NBA rights.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

ok, once more I do a big mistake to argue with you. you just don't get it.
PAO and Olympiacos can cry for the help from the government as much as they want, because the state of Greece will be bankrupt. and the European Union will have to save them and they for sure won't ship tons of money there to watch the Greek finance some sport teams with that money.
they can also cry for help from the sponsors as much as they want, their sponsors will have different worries than burn money for some spoiled pro athletes.
and the supporters will be happy if they have some 10 Euros left to watch a game.
that won't be enough to collect the 30 million per you wanted to hand Kobe to play in Greece. (or was it Lebron? I forgot)

You are such an idiot. You know NOTHING about this. This PAO and Olympiacos. If you actually believe that the supporters of these clubs would ever allow such a thing then you are like I say either re or liar.

Let me educate you. The motto of PAO fans is "Panathinaikos is not a team. It is a way of life. It is a religion." Olympiacos fans is the same way.

There are 4 millions PAO supporters and 5 million Olympiacos supporters. These teams is not just a basketball team like they are to NBA fans. You are not just a Greek. You are also PAO or Olympiacos.

Even the government asked PAO supporters if they would support a 5% tax by government to pay for the club and to build a new arena that would go to club. The supporters voted YES.

You are such an idiot.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The financial crisis that has hit the US has yet to really hit Europe. No tellin g what the financial status of any Euro team will be a year from now. Splitter is off the radar for a year, we move on but retain his NBA rights.

I see there is still no news in US. Has not hit Europe? LMFAO

[mountainballer]

I see there is still no news in US. Has not hit Europe? LMFAO

you think what you see right now in your Greece child's room is the "the crisis" ?

Greece position in the world economy in the current situation is like Banda Aceh when the Tsunami came. what you see right now are waives like you make it in your bath tub when your Mommy tells you to wash your neck.

I can only hope for your country, that the average intellect of your fellow countrymen is about 10 times higher than yours. then there is a small chance to go thru this.

[Ariel]

All from this thread:

You are being stupid.

You are an idiot.

So many NBA fans is clueless about everything of teams in Europe.

Some things people say is so ignorant.

This is facts for stupid fools here that do not know facts but only imagine truth.

You idiots are all the same.

It is pathetic and funny. You know nothing about game in Europe. Then we get idiots that says things like "I know game in Europe KBP lies so and so player is not this and that"..........they are either LIARS or re s because they are wrong in everything they say.

They would have probably argued that Manu was garbage back in time when he was in Europe. This is how bad they are in basketball knowledge here. They must be French fans because they are so lacking in basketball knowledge.

Evene if owners suffer they do not pay the budget costs you idiot. Also Greek economy has ALREADY been hit you idiot.

You are such an idiot. You know NOTHING about this. This PAO and Olympiacos. If you actually believe that the supporters of these clubs would ever allow such a thing then you are like I say either re or liar.

Let me educate you.

You are such an idiot.

And my personal favorite:

Once again you are person that is idiot.

Priceless.

[temujin]

Let me educate you. The motto of PAO fans is "Panathinaikos is not a team. It is a way of life. It is a religion." Olympiacos fans is the same way.

He might be an idiot and still be right.

The greek state will have other priorities than hand out salaries to bunch of tall people running around a basket.
For example, financing their national debt, which runs close to 100% of the GNP.

Unless they want to stop paying policemen.

And even ordinary Greeks will have priorities other than consider a team a religion.

You dont' ave the foggiest idea of what's going to happen.

[picnroll]

Those that are liquid, those that didn't invest into the loosers market, those that do NOT have toxic paper, those are in freaking good position, actually.

[VI_Massive]

1. This DraftExpress thing made me so excited and so sad at the same time. I feel we may never see Splitter in a Spurs uniform in his prime years. If he's not willing to take a pay cut, then we have to wait for a new CBA to hopefully fix that issue. Plus a lot of people are talking lockout in 2011, so Splitter might not see an NBA floor until he's 27 or 28.

2. Can't we just put a sack of unmarked bills in his apartment to make up the difference and call it a day? CIA Pop?

[picnroll]

Europe has entire freaking countries defaulting. Dollar is relative strong, will suck but Euro will suck more. EU countries are already squabbling and per usual will look to cover their own asses. By the time this is over the EU will likely be a footnote in history. And like moutainballer said, I'm sure Germany can't wait to bail Greek basketball out.

[Ocotillo]

Spurs brass needs to fly over to Spain prior to 2010 and have a heart to heart with this guy.

The rules are what they are. He has been making a good paycheck recently and if he wants to play in the NBA, then he is going to have to bite the bullet and play for the rookie scale for a few years.

I think he has pride and would love to play with guys like the big three. If he wants to go the "safe route" then he could stay over there and pull down bigger checks in the near term. If he wants to play on the world's largest stage, he will come over and work his way to a bigger payday in this hemisphere.

Obviously, the front office cannot promise him what his first non-rookie scale contract would be but they can explain what is realistic. He knows there would be risks of getting injured while playing for rookie scale but college kids have been wrestling with that sort of dilemma for years.

He is smart enough to weigh the pluses and minuses and decide for himself. If he decides to stay in Europe, well c'est la vie, we tried, that's all you can do.

All I am saying is just don't sit here in San Antonio crossing your fingers hoping he comes over. Get Manu, Tim and Tony on a plane with Pop and R.C. and go sell this guy.

[benefactor]

I can only hope for your country, that the average intellect of your fellow countrymen is about 10 times higher than yours.

Don't worry...most of his fellow Americans are smarter than him.