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Actually the lakers were in first place before bynum got hurt, so i wouldnt say that the hornets had a better record
The Lakers became much better after the Gasol trade. Before the trade, even with Bynum healthy, the Hornets had a better record. The Gasol trade put the Lakers over the top.
Actually the lakers were in first place before bynum got hurt, so i wouldnt say that the hornets had a better record
I almost agree with you, but I don't. Lebron is by FAR the best player on his team, which is first place in his conference. And without him, the Cavs don't win 10 games. So he's got to be in the conversation, no matter which criteria you use. Kobe's got another franchise player on his squad (Gasol). Lebron doesn't. Kobe also has one of the greatest coaches ever, Lebron not so much.
I personally think big men should almost always be favored over 1's, 2's and 3's when it come to picking the MVP. That's the way it was in the 1950s, 1960s, 1970s, and most of the 1980s. It wasn't until Jordan came along that people started over-valuing guards and under-valuing big men. Jordan f'ed with everyone's heads, and I think a lot of people still haven't come back to their senses.
Facts are facts. Aside from Jordan's Bulls, I'd say 95% of championship teams had a dominant all-star big man. That's usually what you need to win a championship. Even in the post-Jordan era, when the NBA has been changing the rules to favor perimeter players at the expense of interior players, the Championships have been ALL been won by teams with a Shaq, a Duncan, a Ben Wallace or a KG controlling the paint.
People disregard the importance of rebounding and protecting the rim, while obsessing over scoring and assists. But history shows, perimeter players ain't gonna get it done. AI (1 MVP, O rings). Nash (2 MVPs, 0 rings). Dirk (1 MVP, 0 rings).
So yeah, Kobe and Lebron and CP3 are all great and super-important to their teams, but in my opinion, the MVP conversation has got to seriously consider Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Pau Gasol. I'm partial to the big men, cause that's the lesson of history.
Not true. Phoenix were in 1st while the Hornets were in the midst of a 10-game winning streak where they leapfrogged the Spurs.
You didn't quite get my post....as you're still making the mistake of over-valuing SCORING. Sure, Garnett might be the third scoring option on his team. Yes. I get that. But I painstakingly tried to make it clear that scoring (and assists) are not what should be used to determine the MVP. Not of the league. And not of a team. Garnett does more than just score. He rebounds and protects the paint. Those two things have been under-valued ever since Jordan, despite the fact that history shows how crucial they are to winning a championship. It's been said a million times: defense wins championships. Not offense.
So I'm sticking with what I said. I think when you talk about the MVP, you have to include the best big men on the best teams. And that's Duncan, Garnett, Howard and Gasol. I have no problem with anyone wanting to include Kobe, Lebron and CP3 in the conversation, but facts is facts. Big men are the most important.
My problem isn't with you thinking Kobe should be the MVP, it's with you saying LeBron shouldn't even be a candidate. That's flat-out ing ridiculous. You can't possibly understand how important LeBron is to the Cavaliers.Thank you for verifying why Kobe is the MVP.
The team aspect is what makes an MVP. LeBron may not have a post game and a consistent jumper- and I agree he needs to develop those things, especially the post game- but the fact of the matter is he's leading his team in pretty much every major statistical category, he's probably going to be first-team All-Defense (or at least he should be) and he has his team on a 60-win pace.
You're talking best player. I'm talking Most Valuable Player, which is the issue here. When you look at what LeBron has done for his team, there's no question he's a legitimate candidate. It's not as if he'd be the first MVP candidate with holes in his game. AI and Shaq didn't have completely well-rounded games either.
Really?
A guy hanging with only MJ and Oscar in regards to his statistics, as well as being the best player and only true all star on his 44-12 team.
Don't be silly Laker fans.
It's a two horse race for MVP now between Lebron and Kobe. Right now it's up in the air, both guys are simply having incredible seasons.
In the end I think it will come down to which team has the better record at the end of the season.
I'd give Kobe the nod. I had this as LeBron's to lose till Kobe went crazy in February.
If LA wins best record in the league by atleast 3 games over the Cavs, I'd give it to Kobe. IF not, I have no problem with LBJ winning it.
For him to have the Cavs at 44-12 and only 2 games behind LA is pretty remarkable.
Kobe has more offensively capable players, while Lebron has players that can defend. The fact they are in the elite teams of the nba is pretty crazy. Of the five contenders, the other four have a post up player.
Lebron was clearly the mvp in the begining of the season, but since January kobe is playing better than lebron, so it will be close.
I'm sorry, you are?The point is Lebron is as overrated as they come. King? King of what? Don't you have to actually accomplish or conquer something to be considered a "king"? He's done absolutely nothing to deserve the le "king". I am as much of a king as he is. We both have the same amount of rings. King Duncan. King Manu. Or even King Bonner. They all have won something relevant and no King Crab the All-Star game MVP does not count. So hype em up somemore ESPN and compare him to Jordan once more. You will never win anything King Crab.
Paul is important to the Hornets
Yao is important to the Rockets
Lebron is important to the Cavs
Kobe is important to the Lakers
so what? Its not based on importance....if it was based on importance, the Kobe should have win it when Nash and Dirk did...didnt Nash have Amare and Marion? Didnt Dirk have Terry and Howard? Dint Kobe have Kwame and Smush?
You know its all about the best player with the best record. If the Lakers grab #1 and LEbron slips like he did yesterday. Kobes getting MVP.
You can't go wrong with Kobe getting the MVP, but that doesn't diminish what LeBron does for his own team, and what he's done this year.
and in no way i am.
but Lebron needs to step it up. He is behind in record, and also lost 2 games to the guy he is going up against for MVP.
Everyone has a bad day at the office every now and then.
He will. He usually does. But L.A. is the best team in the league. Certainly better than Cleveland. They're better-coached than the Cavaliers, and they're so much better in the frontcourt it isn't even funny. At this point, if LeBron gets the Cavaliers to the Finals and takes the LakeShow to six games, I don't see how anyone can ask any more of him.
Really, the way I see it there should be more pressure on Kobe to step it up. He has a loaded supporting cast, and he's probably going to have homecourt throughout. He's got to get it done.
How can you talk when you know that lebron could drop 50+ on the mavs???
Someone tell me what LeBron does, other than make jump shots when he's on a streak?
he's made shots he's supposed to and went out there and did what he does best
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