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What brought this on?
Did Nash make one of his 'we're not having as much fun as we used to.." comments again?
Any specific reason?
All four of these fan bases are blessed with players (Bryant, Gasol, Duncan, Ginobili, KG, Pierce, LeBron) who are willing to sacrifice all the fun in the world if it means increasing their team's chances at winning a le.
One day, maybe us Suns fans will be blessed with one of these players, rather than a group of lazy s who are willing to sacrifice whatever chance their team had at winning a le if it means having more fun.
What a bunch of in self-centered primmadonnas we have playing in Phoenix. For all the times I've called Kobe selfish, at least he has the brains to know the fans who us their money to buy tickets (the money that pays his salary), want to see the Lakers win a le, they could give a rat's ass about how much fun the team is having.
Apparently Steve Nash thinks that when fans buy tickets knowing they're paying his salary, they only care about him having fun and not trying to get the Suns hardware. I thought Kobe was selfish, Nash is the most self-absorbed piece of s in the NBA. Now everyone on this team thinks they don't have to play defense because their 2-time MVP who all the fans seem to worship doesn't play defense.
I don't hear Spurs fans and Laker fans arguing about which team has more fun, last I checked.
What brought this on?
Did Nash make one of his 'we're not having as much fun as we used to.." comments again?
Any specific reason?
I thought going back to the run n gun would solve all the suns problems
I always thought winning and being the best WAS fun. To each his own I guess.
Blame the front office, not Nash.
You're right. YOU had a part in the Gasol trade
In the Suns defense, some of their fans did actually care more about having fun than winning a championship. At least that's what they said when trying to bash the Spurs.
Let me say this nash though a great offensive talent one of the best dribblers/passers of the past 20 years he is no MVP ...if you go back to all the MVP's the past 30 years he is the WORST defender of all ...
Even though Bird, Magic and Dirk are far from premier defenders ...I have seen teams specifically go "at" Nash as the weak spot on the team even during the MVP years ...Simmons even wrote about this on Page 2 (and i think though funny simmons can be foolish ...but he had a point) what other MVP gives up much more points than has scored against him? he cant stop penetration(parker abuses him), he can be posted up at will his ...his 2 MVp awards should of went to kobe and Lebron ...
And even though he is great at steals and fiestier than nash ...CP3 is almost in the same category ...
People get "wet" or "stiff" looking at his stats but in the playoffs Parker and dwill can both exploit him on defense ...Parkers is not a great defender either but because they have Bowen if he is getting torched they can use parker as a helper...but even so he is no where as bad as Nash Pop would not "let him" get away with such bad defense ...(by the way Pop is the best coach even over PJ)
CP3 is great on offense and at steals but he is overrated as well ...
I lived in La for 20 years we always support the lakers but ...Laker games are too expensive to go to when we suck ...but if you listen to sports talk, read the papers or just talk to people around town many bleed purple (forum blue) and gold.
Yesterday's ass raping is what brought this on. I didn't expect them to win, but I expected them to try and win. For what J-Rich's overpaid ass is getting maybe he could try using his 15-20 pound weight advantage on Kobe to keep Kobe out of the paint?
Anyone with a brain could look at that Suns team last night and know they not only didn't try to win they didn't even try to us the fact their playing a contender as a means to work on stuff during the game, such as not letting the other team shoot 60%.
And it's just my personal view that the culture this team has where getting back on offense is more important than stopping the other team on defense starts and ends with Nash and the amount of Steve Nash T-baggers in Phoenix who didn't know what the NBA was prior to 2004.
Well it depends. My "problem" is the Suns aren't winning a championship anytime soon. The idiots' who in their pants at the site of an Amare garbage time 4th quarter dunk "problem" is that the Suns weren't "fun" to watch under Porter. If that was your problem, then going back to the run and suck solves it.
I agree I always have felt with teams that mediocre is the worst place to be ...for example the years we played Phoenix I said hey lets go in to the lottery we were not going to win the le with smush walton and brown starting and although we put a scare in Phoenix we had no business in the playoffs ...why would this suns team want that? This draft may suck but who tought rondo would become a pretty strong PG? draft well there are always hidden gems ...if you wre not top 4 in the league blow it up and start over or identify core pieces and jettison the crap ...
Last edited by Killakobe81; 02-27-2009 at 04:18 PM.
For all the crap I give to LA fans who refer to their team in 1st person, the fans DO play a role in what moves the team makes. The amount of idiots who bought into the notion that the 2007 Suns were the best team that year and therefore it was smart for them to not improve the team at all the following off season is the reason they didn't make any moves to improve in the off season.You're right. YOU had a part in the Gasol trade
I have no problem with the Suns reverting back to their run and gun style. You have to play to your strengths, and if it helps them win games and sneak into the playoffs, I'm all for it. But I don't understand why the Suns can't seem to play great offense and at least a modi of defense. I mean, there was no resistance against the Lakers last night, or Boston on Sunday. Layup after layup after layup, uncontested.
The offense is wonderful, but the defense was never close to being this bad under D'Antoni. Maybe he was a better coach than most of us thought, since he had horrible defensive players playing mediocre defense.
The Suns did make moves in that offseason: They traded away Kurt Thomas and a pair of draft picks, and as a result became much worse.
He had Marion which enabled him to create a defensive system that worked great in the regular season. He also had Bell before Bell stopped caring because "he wasn't having fun".
I don't get the "mediocrity is unacceptable" statement.
First off, mediocrity is better than flat out sucking.
Second off, there HAS to be mediocre teams in the league. It's not as if every team can be really good or really bad.
There has to be a 30th best team in the league, has to be a 1st best team in the league, and there has to be an 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th (mediocre) best, etc
There's elite teams, good teams, mediocre teams, bad teams, and REALLY bad teams... every franchise finds themselves in every situation at some point, just the cyclical nature of the league.
Yep, and the 2004 bandwagoners didn't seem to care about the fact the KT trade threw any shot the Suns had at contention away. They didn't care because when the only basketball you've ever watched is Steve Nash run and suck you don't understand how important a guy like KT is.
This is why I hate Sarver. He doesn't understand that a team has to be more than a sum of its parts, and he's created a team that is less than the sum of its parts.
I can forgive the Joe Johnson thing, but I see no sense in letting go of several key role players: Marion, Bell, Kurt Thomas, Eddie House, Diaw... You already have two extremely talented offensive players in Nash and Amare. So the idea should be that you surround them with solid role players who can play D, shoot the 3, rebound, or a combination of those things.
The Suns have been in that 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th spot for the greater part of 40 years. Being mediocre for a short period and then either making a miracle trade or blowing it up is one thing, doing whatever it takes to hold onto that 6 seed like Colangelo loved to do and what Sarver seems to love to do is completely different.
They should have never signed Nash and gone to some wad unorthodox system. After the Marbury trade, they had cap room, a young centerpiece who had yet to be convinced playing defense isn't necessary, and draft picks.
No team with Steve Nash as a captain will ever win a championship. The captain of a team should be a leader (not a liability) on both sides of the court.
A lot of it has to do with the system and tolerance (lack there of) the FO has.
S.A. is second to none. That's why they can stay on top for a decade.
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