Congragulations to LA, San Antonio, Boston and Cleveland

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

A lot of it has to do with the system and tolerance (lack there of ) the FO has.

The F.O. in Phoenix has an incredibly high tolerance for losing, especially to San Antonio. I'll even go as far as to say they enjoy losing to San Antonio.

Trading away Kurt Thomas after how the 2007 series unfolded would be the equivalent of getting your ass kicked by superman and then getting rid of any Kryptonite you have knowing you would have to face him again and you couldn't beat him with the assistance of Kryptonite.

[Ghazi]

They should have never signed Nash and gone to some wad unorthodox system. After the Marbury trade, they had cap room, a young centerpiece who had yet to be convinced playing defense isn't necessary, and draft picks.

No team with Steve Nash as a captain will ever win a championship. The captain of a team should be a leader (not a liability) on both sides of the court.

It's easy to say that now, but if not for bull technicalities who knows how 2007 turns out.

And if not for the lost draft picks and JJ, who knows whether or not a team, with Steve Nash as its captain, could've won a le.


<3 Nash.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's easy to say that now, but if not for bull technicalities who knows how 2007 turns out.

Look at the Sun's bench and the Spur's bench at the time of that altercation. One team had a coach who had prepared for the situation and held his players accountable, so the players stood completely still and no one got up.

The other team had coach who probably didn't even know the rule existed, didn't hold his players accountable at all, and was completely unprepared for this situation; consequently, the players all immediately stood up and looked over at what was going on, and the assistant coaches were running around like chickens with their heads chopped off trying to control the situation.

Take a wild guess which coach also made Steve Nash a captain disregarding his lack of leadership on defense.

So basically, Nash being captain of a team where two players got an easily avoidable suspension aren't two completely unrelated events.

[Ghazi]

Look at the Sun's bench and the Spur's bench at the time of that altercation. One team had a coach who had prepared for the situation and held his players accountable, so the players stood completely still and no one got up.

The other team had coach who probably didn't even know the rule existed, didn't hold his players accountable at all, and was completely unprepared for this situation; consequently, the players all immediately stood up and looked over at what was going on, and the assistant coaches were running around like chickens with their heads chopped off trying to control the situation.

Take a wild guess which coach also made Steve Nash a captain disregarding his lack of leadership on defense.

So basically, Nash being captain of a team where two players got an easily avoidable suspension aren't two completely unrelated events.

So what you're telling me is Horry being a dirty punk and Amare wanting to stick up for his fallen beloved PG is a reflection on Nash's lack of leadership?

Ain't buying it AIN'T buying it.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So what you're telling me is Horry being a dirty punk and Amare wanting to stick up for his fallen beloved PG is a reflection on Nash's lack of leadership?

Ain't buying it AIN'T buying it.

No, please read my post before saying stuff like that. They are both reflections of a piss poor coaching staff that will never win a le. Of course Amare would want to stick up for Nash, but if that situation had been practiced throughout the year Amare would know he couldn't stick up for Nash.

Just like how if the coaching staff picked a captain who was a leader on offense and defense, the Suns might have been a good defensive team.

[Ghazi]

It's easy to say that coaching staff "will never win a le". hindsight is 20/20

Just like after the beloved Mavs were cheated out of a 2006 championship, now people will call Dirk a soft choker who can't lead a team to a championship, when if not for bull shots and horse officiating, he did in 2006.

It's all hindsight. Teams always get ascribed toughness and leadership after they win championships, hardly ever before.

As for the Suns, if not for bull technicalities and a cheap owner, perhaps the D'Antoni/Nash Suns could've won a ring as well.


What's wrong with beloved Nash anyway? Not everyone can be a great defender, some people just lack the physical tools. At least he tries his hardest and draws a foul via flopping here and there.

Nash was indeed worthy of his MVP's.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What's wrong with beloved Nash anyway? Not everyone can be a great defender, some people just lack the physical tools. At least he tries his hardest and draws a foul via flopping here and there.

He plays defense like a 5 year old with ADD. Rather than guard a single player, he runs around and ball hawks because in his little offense only mind letting them score a quick basket is better than holding them scoreless on a 20 second possession because it "slows down the tempo".

if he just guarded his man to the best of his ability rather than constantly make other players switch because he leaves someone open on every possession, I wouldn't fault him for whatever D he played.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's easy to say that coaching staff "will never win a le". hindsight is 20/20

Just like after the beloved Mavs were cheated out of a 2006 championship, now people will call Dirk a soft choker who can't lead a team to a championship, when if not for bull shots and horse officiating, he did in 2006.

It's all hindsight. Teams always get ascribed toughness and leadership after they win championships, hardly ever before.

As for the Suns, if not for bull technicalities and a cheap owner, perhaps the D'Antoni/Nash Suns could've won a ring as well.


What's wrong with beloved Nash anyway? Not everyone can be a great defender, some people just lack the physical tools. At least he tries his hardest and draws a foul via flopping here and there.

Nash was indeed worthy of his MVP's.

Don't tell me it's hindsight, I've been saying D'antoni will never win a championship since 2005.

[Xylus]

They should have never signed Nash and gone to some wad unorthodox system. After the Marbury trade, they had cap room, a young centerpiece who had yet to be convinced playing defense isn't necessary, and draft picks.

No team with Steve Nash as a captain will ever win a championship. The captain of a team should be a leader (not a liability) on both sides of the court.

Steve Nash took the Suns farther during the 2004-2007 era than I ever expected the team to go before he got here. Steve Nash is a flawed player, but he did take us to the WCF twice, and we probably would have won the championship in '07 if we had gotten by San Antonio. We weren't the best, but we were awfully close. I think that's admirable.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Steve Nash took the Suns farther during the 2004-2007 era than I ever expected the team to go before he got here. Steve Nash is a flawed player, but he did take us to the WCF twice, and we probably would have won the championship in '07 if we had gotten by San Antonio. We weren't the best, but we were awfully close. I think that's admirable.

Not giving the new coach a chance and ing about having to actually work at something other than pushing the ball down the court is anything but admirable.

We all know in sports, the question is "What have you done for me lately?" and Nash hasn't done jack- since 2007.

[pauls931]

This is why I hate Sarver. He doesn't understand that a team has to be more than a sum of its parts, and he's created a team that is less than the sum of its parts.

I can forgive the Joe Johnson thing, but I see no sense in letting go of several key role players: Marion, Bell, Kurt Thomas, Eddie House, Diaw... You already have two extremely talented offensive players in Nash and Amare. So the idea should be that you surround them with solid role players who can play D, shoot the 3, rebound, or a combination of those things.

I agree here, their 3pt shooting is dramatically worse than in the past and with the current personel can't take advantage of shaq. Richardson helps, barbosa is very streaky and can't really be counted on, and then there's nash, there should be a couple other sharp shooters on the squad. Then you need a pair of good defensive players, obviously sideshow bob falls short.

And then dragic... Man he looks scared as every time I see him on the court, I hope he gets over this...

I accept that they can't be contenders, but somehow sarver/kerr have definitely made the sum less than the parts here.

But just one note, I think the Spurs and Lakers caused management to panic leading to this... The suns were always just barely not good enough to get by the Spurs, then the Gasol trade happen and I think that's when Phoenix and Dallas management panicked and ed themselves.

[iggypop123]

sacrafice? hill resigned here even though the lakers were the better team and would have loved to bring him in. and for less cash too