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or something like this.....
belive me there is more than the NBA.
I am so pissed, I forgot to set the DVR and I wanted to see the 4th, so I could check out Pops again. Yeah, we lost, but I don't feel to bad either. 2-3 wins aint' bad without our big 2. And, I didn't think Parker could have another great night, especially with Iggy in the interior.
or something like this.....
belive me there is more than the NBA.
[QUOTE=Spursmania;3151046]I am so pissed, I forgot to set the DVR and I wanted to see the 4th, so I could check out Pops again. Yeah, we lost, but I don't feel to bad either. 2-3 wins aint' bad without our big 2. And, I didn't think Parker could have another great night, especially with Iggy in the interior.[/QUOTE/]
ESPN usually repeats their games late at night. So, you might be able to set your DVR for the replay (if they are doing it with this game).
Check and see.
man.....just 45 short..... what else, back to reality
Thanks,Mavs<Spurs!
Didn't see anything about "Euro .." anything.
What I am saying is that the best basketball in the world is played in the NBA.
International awards are perhaps in some leagues like the Italian league slightly better than American colleges, but definitely less than the NBA in terms of talent.
In none of those three years would Manu have won anything in the NBA.
He was erratic and turnover prone and had to improve his game when he got into the NBA.
At this level of compe ion, he has been better than most, but not as good as many others, including others at his same position in the same time period.
Does anyone believe that the talent in the Italian league is the same as the talent in the NBA?
Or that the teams are as good in the Italian league as in the NBA?
The talent is not as good in the Italian league as it is in the NBA.
The teams are not as good in the Italian league as they are in the NBA.
Since the compe ion is lower, the awards mean less.
Unless he comes over and shows that he is the best player in the NBA also.
In which case, then one might consider that there is a parity in the leagues.
It turned out that the Manu who was good enough to be the very best player in the Italian league was not good enough to start for the NBA team, was turnover prone and not nearly good enough to be one of the numerous players who made the all star team for the Western Conference (ie he was only competing against half of the shooting guards in the league, not all of them).
Manu had to improve if he wanted to be a good player in the NBA, much less start for the Spurs and later make an all star team.
So, apparently, the talent that will make you the best player in the Italian league is mediocre when compared with the talent of the NBA.
Otherwise, he would not have needed to improve so much to start for an NBA team and become an all-star. We all know how Manu would make a spectacular play at one moment and turn the ball over the next.
So, everyone should be able to admit that he needed to dramatically improve. This demonstrates that the awards he won in the Italian league aren't proof that he is a HOFer quality since the winner of the MVP Italian league = mediocre in the NBA, up one minute and down the next.
So much for those awards as an argument that he is a lock for the HOF.
It is not insulting the European leagues. It is just recognizing that they are better than our college system and less than the NBA.
And had their been a best of seven series and a 3 + year commitment to the program (as there has been recently) and a uniformity regarding the rules, the U. S. would be consistent winners in international compe ion.
But none of this demeans the international game. It is just honest. And it is the consensus of opinion.
So, what has Manu done since he arrived in the NBA?
Did he prove that he was so good at this position that the only choice was to place him as a starter at the 2 guard in the Western Conference every year? No. Well he must have been so much better than every other 2 guard in the Western Conference at least one year that he was a starter? No.
Well, he must have at least been the 4 or 5 best 2 guard in the Western Conference every year so clearly that he always at least made the all star team every year even if he was only considered the 5th best 2 guard (his position) in the Western Conference? No?
Well, then he must average ridiculously high numbers like 25 points a game and 6 or 7 rebounds and 5 or 6 assists a game?
No.
I'm sorry, but why again are we sure that a guy who averages 16 points a game, 4 rebounds a game and 4 assists a game is a lock for the Hall of Fame?
I wonder who else has those kinds of numbers ?
Because if I look them up, will you agree that they also deserve to be considered locks in the Hall of Fame?
And again since he was only mediocre (inconsistent up and down) upon arrival, then mediocre and inconsistent up and down is good enough to win the MVP in the Italian league and that award doesn't have enough weight to serve as evidence that you are a lock for the Hall of Fame.
I love Manu, but he is on the outside looking in at this point.
He's got a lot of work to do to deserve consideration to enter the Hall of Fame.
No worries.Thanks,Mavs<Spurs!
If I missed a game with the DVR, then I rely on the replay too.
Didn't see anything about "Euro .." anything.
What I am saying is that the best basketball in the world is played in the NBA.
International awards are perhaps in some leagues like the Italian league slightly better than American colleges, but definitely less than the NBA in terms of talent.
In none of those three years would Manu have won anything in the NBA.
He was erratic and turnover prone and had to improve his game when he got into the NBA.
At this level of compe ion, he has been better than most, but not as good as many others, including others at his same position in the same time period.
Does anyone believe that the talent in the Italian league is the same as the talent in the NBA?
Or that the teams are as good in the Italian league as in the NBA?
The talent is not as good in the Italian league as it is in the NBA.
The teams are not as good in the Italian league as they are in the NBA.
Since the compe ion is lower, the awards mean less.
Unless he comes over and shows that he is the best player in the NBA also.
In which case, then one might consider that there is a parity in the leagues.
It turned out that the Manu who was good enough to be the very best player in the Italian league was not good enough to start for the NBA team, was turnover prone and not nearly good enough to be one of the numerous players who made the all star team for the Western Conference (ie he was only competing against half of the shooting guards in the league, not all of them).
Manu had to improve if he wanted to be a good player in the NBA, much less start for the Spurs and later make an all star team.
So, apparently, the talent that will make you the best player in the Italian league is mediocre when compared with the talent of the NBA.
Otherwise, he would not have needed to improve so much to start for an NBA team and become an all-star. We all know how Manu would make a spectacular play at one moment and turn the ball over the next.
So, everyone should be able to admit that he needed to dramatically improve. This demonstrates that the awards he won in the Italian league aren't proof that he is a HOFer quality since the winner of the MVP Italian league = mediocre in the NBA, up one minute and down the next.
So much for those awards as an argument that he is a lock for the HOF.
It is not insulting the European leagues. It is just recognizing that they are better than our college system and less than the NBA.
And had their been a best of seven series and a 3 + year commitment to the program (as there has been recently) and a uniformity regarding the rules, the U. S. would be consistent winners in international compe ion.
But none of this demeans the international game. It is just honest. And it is the consensus of opinion.
So, what has Manu done since he arrived in the NBA?
Did he prove that he was so good at this position that the only choice was to place him as a starter at the 2 guard in the Western Conference every year? No. Well he must have been so much better than every other 2 guard in the Western Conference at least one year that he was a starter? No.
Well, he must have at least been the 4 or 5 best 2 guard in the Western Conference every year so clearly that he always at least made the all star team every year even if he was only considered the 5th best 2 guard (his position) in the Western Conference? No?
Well, then he must average ridiculously high numbers like 25 points a game and 6 or 7 rebounds and 5 or 6 assists a game?
No.
I'm sorry, but why again are we sure that a guy who averages 16 points a game, 4 rebounds a game and 4 assists a game is a lock for the Hall of Fame?
I wonder who else has those kinds of numbers ?
Because if I look them up, will you agree that they also deserve to be considered locks in the Hall of Fame?
And again since he was only mediocre (inconsistent up and down) upon arrival, then mediocre and inconsistent up and down is good enough to win the MVP in the Italian league and that award doesn't have enough weight to serve as evidence that you are a lock for the Hall of Fame.
I love Manu, but he is on the outside looking in at this point.
He's got a lot of work to do to deserve consideration to enter the Hall of Fame.
I have to agree with you, Manu isn't that great.... but somehow he found a way to win in every stupid team he played ....got lucky... maybe
guess what Drazen Dalipagic is a Hall of Famer .... dude never played in the NBA...... he was better than Ginobili no doubt ....but ....get my point and try to get out of the box ..... there is a world outside.
Manu is a HOFer, garaunteed.
Manu's regarded as a top three SG in the NBA by a lot of people. Kobe, Wade, Manu.
Who gives a about the all star game. A lot of times players make it on numbers when a better player is left off. Almost 50% of the team is voted in and it usually is more of a popularity contest.
Are you serious?
Whether you want to accept it or not Manu's probably a lock for the HOF. Like people keep telling you it's not just NBA but it also internationl players too. There are a lot of international people who have made the HOF that have never even seen the NBA. Second Manu's accomplishments are pretty impressive and has won everywhere he's been. Even before he got into the NBA he was a major player on his NT that ended being one of the first international teams to beat the USA team composed of NBA players. I haven't even mentioned the Olympics were they were the first team other than the US to win a gold medal in the past several years. Yes Manu really hasn't had that much individual accomplishments in the NBA but he's a winner everywhere he goes. I know that people overrate him a lot but at the same time I feel that they underrate him. I hear from some NBA boards is that all he is is a bench player who can only average 14 or 15 points a game. Maybe on the Spurs that's the case because he has a role here but on a lot of other teams he would be a starter and give him more than the nine or ten shots he takes plus minutes he would probably average more points. Of course now that he's getting older he probably can't. Yes he hasn't made the AS team but he made it onto the All-NBA Third team which I would think is more impressive than AS. Plus he was a pretty huge reason why we won the '05 Championship even though he got no recognition for that. Of course Timmy deserved the Finals MVP and we couldn't have done it without him but we couldn't have done it without Manu too. Luckily for us Manu doesn't care about his reputation and what he gets out of it but just wants to win. There's a reason why he's won something on every team he's been a part of.
Because we hung with the red-hot Cavs even though Timmy and Manu were out. I'm not too bummed about this loss. If the Spurs were at full strength, they likely would've won this game.
+1
It was pathetic how bad he played (Udoka) in the first half... Time to give the ball tot he rook...
for the LATAM posters... ESPN is re broadcasting the game right now...
Who are you to talk after your team went to overtime with the THUNDER!!!!
better than you as a person though
your words still didn't make any more sense than those you quoted.He will, the question is whether or not Lebron will, since he limped his way off the court
I've never been so encouraged about a Spurs loss in my entire life. Nice to get blown out in order to get some good burn for their young guys. The Spurs' future looks bright for the next several years based on the young talent they're developing.
i didnt see that game what happened?
There is 28 pages that will let you know. Start reading.
I think Cleveland showed a lack of class last night.
We have two of our three best players out of the game, and they want to play LeBron 30 minutes, have him take 23 shots and score 30 points.
If Pop wouldn't have ing put Udoka and Finley on James the entire game we probably could have won. I'm pissed about that. James might have still made some of the shots he did but I guarantee you he wouldn't have been as wide open as he was for the 3 three pointers he made if Bowen was on him.
So the blocks that Hairston and Bonner had on Lebron, did they count, or did the zebras call shooting fouls on one or both?
they didn't call anything when Hairston was guarding Lebron..he played him very, very well..
I'm surprised Bowen didn't guard Lebron at all though..I guess Pop wasn't trying to show his hand in the regular season, as usual..
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