Eric "Coward" Holder

[Winehole23]

What's the matter, can't it wait until 2012, AHF?

[baseline bum]

There's that.

That we're even discussing this is a bad, bad sign. Why worry so much?

All authority needs checks and balances.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Handguns have nothing to do with this. Protecting AK47s under the guise of handguns is ing ridiculous considering the latest rulings on handguns AHF. It's a total and complete strawman.

I can shoot just as many bullets in 10 seconds with an AK as I can a semi-auto handgun.

It's not a strawman when the Brady campaign and guys like Holder and Emanuel are on record as it being the natural progression for gun control to take.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Isn't that what elections are for and didn't we just have one?

Yeah, and how many promises has Obama broken so far?

Bush was a ty president, but Obama's power grab is making W. look like an amateur.

[Winehole23]

Yeah, and how many promises has Obama broken so far?

How many for the record...

...bearing in mind that you gave him only 40 days to deliver?


Tough crowd.

Bush was a ty president, but Obama's power grab is making W. look like an amateur.

So then, we're essentially agreed that Bush was ty and Obama makes him look like an amateur.

[Winehole23]

Bush was a ty president, but Obama's power grab is making W. look like an amateur.

Bush was no slouch in this category.

If it weren't for W., Obama wouldn't be nearly so powerful right now. For good and for ill, right?

But right wingers on message boards were completely unalive to this eventuality until power actually passed to Obama.

I know. I was one of the people saying: don't do this; the king is too powerful now. Someday, somebody we don't like will use this power in a way we don't like.

I can remember exactly one guy -- White Chocolate on SR -- who ever agreed with me about this, and he isn't even conservative.

I don't think that day has come, we may differ on that AHF. It might be forseeable with another Lehman type event.

Have you considered that the country might *not* turn out to be sorry it left the President superpowerful and unen bered by "quaint legalisms" like the US Cons ution and Geneva, in the extreme financial crisis?
.

[Winehole23]

Terrorism was a good enough excuse to give the president a free hand to secure the interests of the US. Why isn't total financial collapse?

[MannyIsGod]

I can shoot just as many bullets in 10 seconds with an AK as I can a semi-auto handgun.

It's not a strawman when the Brady campaign and guys like Holder and Emanuel are on record as it being the natural progression for gun control to take.

Is this really the angle you're going to take? You either know your argument is bull or you know far less about guns than you've ever let on. I'm pretty sure your handgun isn't firing rounds the size of those in an AK and I'm pretty damn sure they're not coming out nearly as fast. To top it off I'm pretty sure your handgun can't be modified easily to be a fully automatic weapon.

Why bother with the stupid arguments AHF? This isn't talk radio and I'm not a simple minded GOP hack.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, and how many promises has Obama broken so far?

Bush was a ty president, but Obama's power grab is making W. look like an amateur.

Power grab?

"On the campaign trail, Barack Obama swore he wouldn't be another president who grabs power for himself and resists oversight from Congress and the courts," CQ Politics reports.

And "some of the first steps Obama has taken as president, along with several of his early appointments, suggest that he actually is rejecting some of Bush's most expansive executive power claims, experts say, particularly on national security and secrecy."

http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cf...t-000003058040

AHF your hand ing stinks from all the pulling out of your ass that you're doing.

[MannyIsGod]

Bush was no slouch in this category.

If it weren't for W., Obama wouldn't be nearly so powerful right now. For good and for ill, right?

But right wingers on message boards were completely unalive to this eventuality until power actually passed to Obama.

I know. I was one of the people saying: don't do this; the king is too powerful now. Someday, somebody we don't like will use this power in a way we don't like.

I can remember exactly one guy -- White Chocolate on SR -- who ever agreed with me about this, and he isn't even conservative.

I don't think that day has come, we may differ on that AHF. It might be forseeable with another Lehman type event.

Have you considered that the country might *not* turn out to be sorry it left the President superpowerful and unen bered by "quaint legalisms" like the US Cons ution and Geneva, in the extreme financial crisis?
.

I'm not even sure wtf AHF is talking about. Obama has done pretty much zero in efforts to expand executive power.

[Winehole23]

I'm not even sure wtf AHF is talking about. Obama has done pretty much zero in efforts to expand executive power.

Obama doesn't even need to. The present dimensions of the office will do.

[Winehole23]

And "some of the first steps Obama has taken as president, along with several of his early appointments, suggest that he actually is rejecting some of Bush's most expansive executive power claims, experts say, particularly on national security and secrecy."

Wh23's recent reading suggests more continuity than reform.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Manny, great idea, I'll wipe the off my hands. Just be sure to wipe it off your head as soon as you pull it out of your ass.

[MannyIsGod]

It must hurt when your bull is shot down with so little effort.

[MannyIsGod]

Hey AHF, I can fire a super soaker faster than an AK47 OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[micca]

It must hurt when your bull is shot down with so little effort.

AHF presented a really great amount of information, and insights into the gun trade, and the fight to control peoples acsses to gun. thanks alot AHF youd didn't shoot down manny

[baseline bum]

There's that.

That we're even discussing this is a bad, bad sign. Why worry so much?

[micca]

Interesting discussion, I urge those who feel Obama and the socialist coalition he is the figurehead of, are a real threat to their rights to take real action.Even if you don't own a gun join the NRA they are already set up as an effective political action force, and your time and money can be more effectively harnassed through them to protect your rights. voting is no longer enough it's time to get active and get organized.

[Winehole23]

Interesting discussion, I urge those who feel Obama and the socialist coalition he is the figurehead of, are a real threat to their rights to take real action.Even if you don't own a gun join the NRA they are already set up as an effective political action force, and your time and money can be more effectively harnassed through them to protect your rights. voting is no longer enough it's time to get active and get organized.

That's your radical advice? Join the NRA?