Okay so Gooden, who do we waive then?

[lurker23]

Gooden has $ to play for this summer. NBA players show up for that. Look at Bonner this year.

I agree with your point, but Bonner still has 1 year left on his contract for '09-'10.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Gooden would help.

We only have one good frontcourt player on this team and he can't do it alone. The other guys are bonafied scrubs.

We have to get Bonner some help inside.









No, seriously though, Gooden could really help take some of the pressure off Tim down low. We should sign him if we can.

[KidCongo]

He can from the high post. He has the ability to pump fake and get past his defender and create or finish strong at the rim. So yes in that case he can create his own shot more so than any other big man we have outside of Duncan and he is a better rebounder than every one of them. Rebounding is an assett to having a strong solid defense. Last year we didn't have that when Radmonovic Walton and Odom were all over the glass giving the lakers several second chance opportunities.

He doesn't finish strong at the rim that often. Has decent baseline jumper. He is a solid rebounder, that's his best asset.

[whottt]

Tim Duncan doesn't need anyone down low to take the pressure off of him...frankly that's an insult Duncan. That has never been the Spurs problem since they drafted him. What Tim Duncan freaking needs are guys that are going to draw bodies out of the paint...that's all he needs. That's all he ever really needs.


Look...I may not be a Rocket Scientist, but I can sit there and look and see that since 1999 the Spurs have been eliminated 5 times in the playoffs...one of those times was due to Gregg Poppovich falling out of the stupid tree and hitting every ing branch on the way down...

The other 4 times it's happened, it's been to the LA Lakers, annd it's been because we had multiple perimeter shooters fail when left WIDE open from the arc.


It's really not complicated at all...


Gooden does not fix that...to tell you the truth, I'm not sure Horry fixes it(though he won't be left open)...Brent Barry would, but it doesn't appear he sucks bad enough for the Rockets to let go of him(even thogh I'm sure Barry is pissed about now he's getting the same treatement from Adelman he got from Pop).

So I'm just not that hyped about Gooden...I'd rather have an enforcer than some guy that's going to jack up shots and be a liability on D.

[whottt]

Hey...how come Cleveland went after(and evidentally signed) Joe Smith first if Gooden was the guy they wanted?


That's telling if that's what has actually happened...because there's no doubt he'd be better for them than any other team he signs with due to LeBron knowing how to maximize his offensive production....not to mention familiarity with their system.

[MaNu4Tres]

He doesn't finish strong at the rim that often. Has decent baseline jumper. He is a solid rebounder, that's his best asset.

He finishes strong at the rim for Spurs' standards.

[timvp]

Brent Barry would

2009 called. He wants to remind you that your supposed to not be obsessed with Barry any longer.

[MaNu4Tres]

The other 4 times it's happened, it's been to the LA Lakers, annd it's been because we had multiple perimeter shooters fail when left WIDE open from the arc.


It's really not complicated at all...


Gooden does not fix that...to tell you the truth, I'm not sure Horry fixes it...Brent Barry would, but it doesn't appear he sucks bad enough for the Rockets to let go of him(even thogh I'm sure Barry is pissed about now he's getting the same treatement from Adelman he got from Pop).

Yes and No. Defense wins championships. Limiting offensive opportunities helps win championships. You limit offense opportunites by not giving up second chance opportunities by rebounding the basketball. Thats what Drew Gooden can do to help win Duncan his 5th. And yes rebounding was a weakness in the Lakers series and will be again with their length.

[whottt]

2009 called. He wants to remind you that your supposed to not be obsessed with Barry any longer.

I'm not...but he can make shots against LA(and not just in 40 point blowouts like the Devin Brown Show).

When we get Finleyed this time...remember that you asked for it.

[whottt]

Yes and No. Defense wins championships. Limiting offense opportunities helps win championships. You limit offense opportunites by not giving up second chance opportunities by rebounding the basketball. Thats what Drew Gooden can do to help win Duncan his 5th. And yes rebounding was a weakness in the Lakers series and will be again with their length.

The reason nobody rebounds is pretty much because of our offensive glass, and Pop sends only Duncan for that purpose. Gooden's rebounding is going to go into the toilet just like it has for every other rebounder that's played alongside Duncan not named David Robinson. Duncan is a defensive rebounding va e..any ball that doesn't go to the perimeter goes to him of straight into the hands of our opponents.

Furthermore...Oberto, Bonner and Thomas all box out to the best of their ability. I don't think I've ever seen Gooden box out before. I'm sure he's done it..it just coincidentally hasn't happened in any of the 20-25 games I 've seen him play.

[MaNu4Tres]

The reason nobody rebounds is pretty much because of our offensive glass, and Pop sends only Duncan for that purpose. Gooden's rebounding is going to go into the toilet just like it has for every other rebounder that's played alongside Duncan not named David Robinson. Duncan is a defensive rebounding va e..any ball that doesn't go to the perimeter goes to him of straight into the hands of our opponents.

I'm not talking about offensive rebounds. I'm talking about helping secure defensive stands and limiting the opponents offensive opportunities. And no Duncan can't do it alone it showed last year especially in the Lakers series.

[Blackjack]

Wow, I can't believe the amount of objection to the prospect of Gooden on the Spurs.

He costs nothing, he's one of the better offensive rebounding bigs in the league, he can put the ball in the hole, and he'd be playing for his next contract.

WTF is so terrible about that?

Is he the prototypical Spur? No.

Is he a great defender? No.

Is he a talented big with the capability of helping the cause? Of course he is. (Well, depending on the groin situation)

The guy did manage to start for one of the better defensive teams in the league while playing in a system not too unlike the Spurs en route to the finals, so while his defense is less than ideal, he's at least capable of being adequate.

There aint a whole lot of options out there to be had, so if they can land Gooden for a bag of chips? The Spurs could do a lot worse.

If he comes here and is able to rebound at his regular rate, hit his mid-range jumpers, and pick up some fouls on the opponents frontline, he'd be a pretty decent stop-gap.

[Spork KIller]

Wow, I can't believe the amount of objection to the prospect of Gooden on the Spurs.

He costs nothing, he's one of the better offensive rebounding bigs in the league, he can put the ball in the hole, and he'd be playing for his next contract.

WTF is so terrible about that?

Is he the prototypical Spur? No.

Is he a great defender? No.

Is he a talented big with the capability of helping the cause? Of course he is. (Well, depending on the groin situation)

The guy did manage to start for one of the better defensive teams in the league while playing in a system not too unlike the Spurs en route to the finals, so while his defense is less than ideal, he's at least capable of being adequate.

There aint a whole lot of options out there to be had, so if they can land Gooden for a bag of chips? The Spurs could do a lot worse.

If he comes here and is able to rebound at his regular rate, hit his mid-range jumpers, and pick up some fouls on the opponents frontline, he'd be a pretty decent stop-gap.

Kill yourself dumbass!

[completely deck]

nice insight

[whottt]

I'm not talking about offensive rebounds. I'm talking about helping secure defensive stands and limiting the opponents offensive opportunities. And no Duncan can't do it alone it showed last year especially in the Lakers series.

But I'm telling yout that's why no one rebounds when they come to the Spurs.

The only guy whose boards went up when joining gthe Spurs in the Duncan era were Rasho's...and if you look, it was his offensive rebounds that made the huge jump, and that's because Pop was sending him after them and he had an easy go of it being paried with Duncan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...nestera01.html

Check out Rasho's numbers...by far his career high in offensive boards, by like over a 100 offensive boards.

And he's the only guy whose boards have jumped or even stayed the same with paired with Duncan in the paint.


Gooden is going to pull down the same 4-6 boards every one else does...hide and watch.

[Blackjack]

Kill yourself dumbass!

[whottt]

Anyway...sign him or don't. I'm not really that worried about his bringing his asshattery on the court and ing up a game...because this guy is going to set the record for being doghoused by Pop. I give it 2 weeks top.

I mean I think Pop get too hung upon D at times and give some players a free pass..and this guys D actually pissed me off in a game when he was playing for the opposing team.


He's just... . That's the best way to describe him on the defensive side of the ball.

So he will get doghoused.

[MaNu4Tres]

But I'm telling yout that's why no one rebounds when they come to the Spurs.

The only guy whose boards went up when joining gthe Spurs in the Duncan era were Rasho's...and if you look, it was his offensive rebounds that made the huge jump, and that's because Pop was sending him after them and he had an easy go of it being paried with Duncan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...nestera01.html

Check out Rasho's numbers...by far his career high in offensive boards, by like over a 100 offensive boards.

And he's the only guy whose boards have jumped or even stayed the same with paired with Duncan in the paint.

I don't agree. Gooden is a very efficient rebounder. Far superior than any big man we've had at rebounding since Robinson in 03'. That one factor will help us against LA due to their length. I guess i may be overreacting, but second chance opportunities are the devil. Going to war for 24 seconds defensively only to see a missed shot go in the hands of the opponent for another 24. That hurts. I could care less about offensive rebounds or Rasho's numbers. Rasho isn't in Gooden's league when it comes to rebounding rate.

[angelbelow]

udoka please.

[whottt]

I don't agree. Gooden is a very efficient rebounder. Far superior than any big man we've had at rebounding since Robinson in 03'.

And I'd disagree with that and say Kurt Thomas is the best, especially when it comes to the fundamentals of rebounding...and you see what's happened to his boards.

In fact there is nothing that Drew Gooden can give us that Kurt Thomas can't that really important in terms of winning a le.


Incidentally...Marcus Bryant and Timvp also had a hardon for Kurt Thomas at this time last year...

Note how the honeymoon is long since over for my covetous Spurs brethren.

That one factor will help us against LA due to their length. I guess i may be overreacting, but second chance opportunities are the devil. Going to war for 24 seconds defensively only to see a missed shot go in the hands of the opponent for another 24. That hurts. I could care less about offensive rebounds or Rasho's numbers. Rasho isn't in Gooden's league when it comes to rebounding rate.

Yeah..as pointed out earlier, this dingbat once dunked the ball in the opponents basket...he doesn't belong on the same court as a Phil Jackson coached team. It's much better to have smart player that can't do on the court against them then an idiot who can jump.


Edit: And don't worry, the chances of Pop putting this guy on the court against LA in a playoff game in which we aren't down by 20 are slim and none.

[MaNu4Tres]

And I'd disagree with that and say Kurt Thomas is the best, especially when it comes to the fundamentals of rebounding...and you see what's happened to his boards.

In fact there is nothing that Drew Gooden can give us that Kurt Thomas can't that really important in terms of winning a le.


Incidentally...Marcus Bryant and Timvp also had a hardon for Kurt Thomas at this time last year...

Note how the honeymoon is long since over for my covetous Spurs brethren.

Kurt hardly got time last year against LA because of his lack of footspeed to stay infront of Odom. And Kurt hardly gets time in the first place (15-18 mpg) . Plus Gooden has had a higher rebounding rate than Kurt just about every year including this year. Plus he also brings scoring in more ways than Kurt and he can run the floor with Manu and Tony,

Here's another opinion on what gooden brings to the table over Kurt.


And Gooden does offer plenty of good.

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/2...oden-brings-an

* He's a very good rebounder at power forward. He comes in as the best rebounder on the roster (a bit better than Jason Thompson overall, moreso on the defensive glass). Sacramento desperately needs rebounding help up front, even with Mikki Moore gone.

* He's a strong frontline scorer. Per minute, Gooden is a better scorer than every King but Kevin Martin. He's about even with Francisco Garcia and Andres Nocioni. Depending on how Nocioni and Garcia adapt and what line-ups Kenny Natt plays, scoring help is necessary. Gooden's a strong answer -- again, a bit more prolific than Thompson.


In other words. Gooden brings more to the table than Kurt.

[whottt]

In other words. Gooden brings more to the table than Kurt.

IOW, you are talking about a town and team that considered itself lucky to have Beno Udrih fall into their hands..and they acually waived Gooden.

[afireinside20]

I think he's be a good fit, he can learn to play better defense.

[angelbelow]

defense is important, but even though gooden is known as a poor defender, he still gives us a different weapon. we have kurt and oberto for defense, and gooden will provide offense. its too hard to find a perfectly well rounded player, we just have to settled for the most talented.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Drew Gooden is better than MJ.