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Yeah, that's usually how it plays out. The only time the Spurs actually land a halfway coveted player is when it's somewhat of a surprise.
Finally another low post option if necessary.
Yeah, that's usually how it plays out. The only time the Spurs actually land a halfway coveted player is when it's somewhat of a surprise.
That's why I won't get my hopes up unless I see a move being made.
So who could actually claim him off waivers before he clears?
I don't know about you, but as a devout Spurs fan this picture makes me like Gooden at least a smidgen more.
there's really no perfect bigman available.
oberto - rebounds well, good court awareness, but has absolutely no offense and athleticism
thomas - rebounds, plays strong defense, but only 6'9" and offense non existent when jumpshot is off plus he's not athletic
bonner - good jumpshot and three point shooter, but poor rebounding and no physical tools or athleticism for good post defense
gooden - good low post option, athletic, rebounds very well, cleans up around the rim, but bad defense
mensah bonsu - good energy, very athletic, get's garbage points, but too inexperienced and only 6'8"
mahinmi - injured
so not a lot of options if you want a offensive low post, athletic, rebounding, and defense playing bigman.
Recognizing Gooden's well-chronicled limitations, there is this truth: he does rebound the ball well -- better than most PF in the league and better than any of the current Spurs save Tim Duncan.
I always hes ate to rely too heavily on Hollinger stats, but his rebounding rate stat (not really his, I'm sure, but . . . . ), which measures the percentage of an opponent's misses a particular player rebounds, suggests that Gooden would be a major upgrade on the boards for the Spurs, even if he's nothing else.
Duncan is 15th in the league in rebounding rate, his offensive rebounding rate is 9.3, his defensive rebounding rate is 26.6, and his overall rebounding rate is 18.0.
Kurt Thomas is 38th -- 9.6 (ORR), 23.3 (DRR), and 16.5 (RebR).
The Spurs other bigs are hideous: Bonner is 105th -- 6.7 (ORR), 17.7 (DRR), and 12.3 (RebR); Oberto is 103rd -- 11.3 (ORR), 13.5 (DRR), and 12.4 (Reb R).
This has placed the Spurs 15th in the league -- but mostly because Duncan and Thomas keep the Spurs afloat (though they are #1 in Defensive Rebound Rate).
Gooden is 29th in the league in RebR. Statistically, he's a better offensive rebounder than anyone mentioned here other than Oberto -- 10.3 ORR; he's a better defensive rebounder than anyone mentioned here other than Duncan -- 23.5 DRR.
I'd agree that Gooden isn't an ideal candidate to flourish with the Spurs, but for a team that has seen its field goal percentage against rise considerably, his availability presents an opportunity to find another player who can: (1) limit opponent's possessions by rebounding; and (2) help extend possessions with offensive boards.
Again, not the ideal. But potentially helpful with very little downside risk beyond the possibility of a lingering injury.
i thought he was bought out so he doesnt have to clear waivers to be signed
He's got a have a pretty high number, so anyone who might claim him would have to have a lot of capspace; in these economic times, that's a pretty substantial burden to assume, I would think.
$7.15 mil for 2008-09. It would be prorated for the remainder of the season, somewhere in the vicinity of $2.0 mil for 24 games.
If this signing comes to fruition, I would assume it would be just a 1/2 season rental. I would imagine Gooden will be looking for an increase on the 7.1 mil he's making now. A contract that expires at the end of this season.
Sign him... we need something, anything, at this point.
As always, a very insightful post. Thanks. I think Gooden could be a lot of help on the rebounding side, which we need. And here's hoping that if we sign him, Pop gets him to commit to defense.
Perhaps, but he did shoot himself in the foot by taking the buyout and giving up his Bird Rights.
Pooooooooooops
And there is exactly your answer to both why the Spurs rank poorly in rebound rate, and why Gooden won't improve it...because of what they do in the offensive board department, and that is entirely due to Pop's philosophy that getting back on D is more important than getting offensive rebounds. Tim Duncan is the only player that crashes the offensive glass on the Spurs...everyone else is supposed to get back on D, and Pop has done this for years now. Just like he doesn't want guys gambling and going for steals which is why the Spurs always rank poorly in that dept, except for Manu who gets to do it under the pretense of "let Manu be Manu".
You left out (3) See it's field goal percentage against rise considerably more.I'd agree that Gooden isn't an ideal candidate to flourish with the Spurs, but for a team that has seen its field goal percentage against rise considerably, his availability presents an opportunity to find another player who can: (1) limit opponent's possessions by rebounding; and (2) help extend possessions with offensive boards.
If he keeps us from signing one who will be a bigger boon to the team, that is a pretty big risk.Again, not the ideal. But potentially helpful with very little downside risk beyond the possibility of a lingering injury.
Your witness.
Agree with FWDRecognizing Gooden's well-chronicled limitations, there is this truth: he does rebound the ball well -- better than most PF in the league and better than any of the current Spurs save Tim Duncan.
We need a guy who can rebound. He also can hit Js. Let's hope Pop can teach him some D.
Pops is gone. Bring him back in the summer league and see what he does.
He's shooting 46% from the field...that's a horrible PCT for a guy that plays as close to the basket as he does. Bonner is shooting 49% from 3 by comparison...he will hurt our offense much more than he will help our rebounding.
I object to this player.
so when does this IF this goes down happen
That's the reason Gooden makes plenty of sense for this Spurs team. You have two guys who should each be the 5th big somewhere as the starting center and 4th big in your rotation. Yes, Bonner's had a good year, but the Spurs need better work on the boards.The Spurs other bigs are hideous: Bonner is 105th -- 6.7 (ORR), 17.7 (DRR), and 12.3 (RebR); Oberto is 103rd -- 11.3 (ORR), 13.5 (DRR), and 12.4 (Reb R).
Who cares if the Spurs are tops in the league using one of Holly's stats? There's room for improvement. And when that improvement comes at the league minimum for the rest of the season, you take it.
Wednesday when he clears waivers I'd assume
Did you cut and paste this from your sign Kurt Thomas speech of a year ago?
Pop quiz. Was he a good acquisition?
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