Kings waive Gooden; Spurs next?

[MaNu4Tres]

So because he went to Kansas = smart?

More so than a player who didn't start playing basketball til his late teens in the Netherlands.

[EricB]

More so than a player who didn't start playing basketball til his late teens in the Netherlands.

Yeah ok.

Just remember that when your throwing the remote at the TV when he blows assignment after assignment.

[Marcus Bryant]

Actually, given his popularity in this forum perhaps 'Pops Barack-Obama' would have been more appropriate.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah ok.

Just remember that when your throwing the remote at the TV when he blows assignment after assignment.

I already do with Bonner/ Finley defensively and when Bowen or Mason put the ball on the floor.

I'm pretty sure Gooden will be able to bring other positive things to the table.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Actually, given his popularity in this forum perhaps 'Pops Barack-Obama' would have been more appropriate.

lol

[FromWayDowntown]

Garbage points and the occassional jumper.

Agree with this. I'd be interested in seeing Gooden play pick and roll/pick and pop with Parker or Ginobili -- the sort of situation in which some expected Thomas to thrive (and he's shown flashes of late).

Gooden strikes me as the equivalent of the NFL back who will consistently get you 3 yards on 1st and 10 and 3 yards on 3rd and 5. But given that the Spurs current bigs are the equivalent of the guy who will either get you a 3 yard loss or a 3 yard gain in those situations, I think Gooden is something of a minor upgrade.

And, again, the bottom line here is that if Gooden can't fit in or doesn't provide anything worthwhile, he's easy to release. High end, he's a valuable contributor; low end, he's Damon Stoudemire -- most likely, he's Glenn Robinson, circa 2005 and offers a bit of help to a team that needs a little something.

Oh, and by the way, the notion that this is a choice between Joe Smith and Drew Gooden for the Spurs strikes me as nonsense. I'm not sure what Cleveland offered Smith, but they had substantially more to offer him than the Spurs had to offer him. Smith was always headed to the highest bidder and that wasn't ever likely to be the Spurs.

[EricB]

Actually, given his popularity in this forum perhaps 'Pops Barack-Obama' would have been more appropriate.

Well played.

[EricB]

Agree with this. I'd be interested in seeing Gooden play pick and roll/pick and pop with Parker or Ginobili -- the sort of situation in which some expected Thomas to thrive (and he's shown flashes of late).

Gooden strikes me as the equivalent of the NFL back who will consistently get you 3 yards on 1st and 10 and 3 yards on 3rd and 5. But given that the Spurs current bigs are the equivalent of the guy who will either get you a 3 yard loss or a 3 yard gain in those situations, I think Gooden is something of a minor upgrade.

And, again, the bottom line here is that if Gooden can't fit in or doesn't provide anything worthwhile, he's easy to release. High end, he's a valuable contributor; low end, he's Damon Stoudemire -- most likely, he's Glenn Robinson, circa 2005 and offers a bit of help to a team that needs a little something.

Oh, and by the way, the notion that this is a choice between Joe Smith and Drew Gooden for the Spurs strikes me as nonsense. I'm not sure what Cleveland offered Smith, but they had substantially more to offer him than the Spurs had to offer him. Smith was always headed to the highest bidder and that wasn't ever likely to be the Spurs.

Given the choice, I'd rather have Gooden.


Joe Smith is ing pathetic IMHO.

[EricB]

I'm not worked up about this at all. I'm just saying that I'm not sure why you are so dismissive that some could (mis)perceive your comment as racist. Why not err on the side of caution?

Someone took your statement as racist...rather than offer a counter to the claim you simply tossed out a catty blanket assertion. So, again, humor me. Why isn't it racist comment?

First off, I didn't make the comment.

Re read.

It isn't a racist comment because there is no intent nor basis for it to be racist, this comment, MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE.

[SequSpur]

got damn tpark, last night gooden sucked... make up your in mind.... what did u order his jersey now so you're on the bandwagon officially... i'm so tired of you ing flipfloppers in this ing place.

[Agloco]

Wow, you really REALLY need to back the up and take a pill.


There is nothing racist at all about calling Pops that name. What. So. EVER.

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Ignorance at it's finest.

[FromWayDowntown]

Given the choice, I'd rather have Gooden.


Joe Smith is ing pathetic IMHO.

Just responding to an earlier assertion in this thread that Smith would have been a better choice than Gooden; it's a false premise, since I'm pretty sure Smith was never going to be available to the Spurs.

I'd agree generally with the notion that Smith was a better fit than Gooden is likely to be, and that's true in a lot of ways, I think. But, again, I don't think that was ever really a choice for the Spurs. The Spurs options were Gooden, Stromile Swift, an off-the-board choice, or the status quo. Of those options, Gooden seems like a reasonable and logical choice.

[EricB]

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Ignorance at it's finest.

Uptightness and hyprocisy at its finest.

[Marcus Bryant]

Agree with this. I'd be interested in seeing Gooden play pick and roll/pick and pop with Parker or Ginobili -- the sort of situation in which some expected Thomas to thrive (and he's shown flashes of late).

Gooden strikes me as the equivalent of the NFL back who will consistently get you 3 yards on 1st and 10 and 3 yards on 3rd and 5. But given that the Spurs current bigs are the equivalent of the guy who will either get you a 3 yard loss or a 3 yard gain in those situations, I think Gooden is something of a minor upgrade.

And, again, the bottom line here is that if Gooden can't fit in or doesn't provide anything worthwhile, he's easy to release. High end, he's a valuable contributor; low end, he's Damon Stoudemire -- most likely, he's Glenn Robinson, circa 2005 and offers a bit of help to a team that needs a little something.

Oh, and by the way, the notion that this is a choice between Joe Smith and Drew Gooden for the Spurs strikes me as nonsense. I'm not sure what Cleveland offered Smith, but they had substantially more to offer him than the Spurs had to offer him. Smith was always headed to the highest bidder and that wasn't ever likely to be the Spurs.

I think we as Spurs fans have forgotten what it was like to have someone who could pull down 10 boards a night lining up next to TD. Granted, that someone also could block shots and D up. *sniff*

Gooden isn't my ideal bigman for the Spurs, but I think he will be able to contribute moreso than the naysayers realize. All I know is that whenever the Spurs played the Cavs, he and Varejao ticked me off.

[Agloco]

Wow, you really REALLY need to back the up and take a pill.


There is nothing racist at all about calling Pops that name. What. So. EVER.

First off, I didn't make the comment.

Re read.

It isn't a racist comment because there is no intent nor basis for it to be racist, this comment, MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE.

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Ignorance at it's finest.

[SequSpur]

tpark is a in tool

[EricB]

Just responding to an earlier assertion in this thread that Smith would have been a better choice than Gooden; it's a false premise, since I'm pretty sure Smith was never going to be available to the Spurs.

I'd agree generally with the notion that Smith was a better fit than Gooden is likely to be, and that's true in a lot of ways, I think. But, again, I don't think that was ever really a choice for the Spurs. The Spurs options were Gooden, Stromile Swift, an off-the-board choice, or the status quo. Of those options, Gooden seems like a reasonable and logical choice.

Agreed.

Still though I have to humbly disagree about Joe Smith. There is nothing IMO anything remotely attractive about him.

[EricB]

got damn tpark, last night gooden sucked... make up your in mind.... what did u order his jersey now so you're on the bandwagon officially... i'm so tired of you ing flipfloppers in this ing place.

Then leave.

All I said was that he is better than Joe Smith.

Get out the booster seat and see over the keyboard munchkin.

[EricB]

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Ignorance at it's finest.

So now Marcus Bryant is being a racist?

Awesome, you can interpret intent. Congrats on being the first human being EVER to be able to do that.

[MaNu4Tres]

All I know is that whenever the Spurs played the Cavs, he and Varejao ticked me off.

Gooden was probably the 2nd best performer for the Cavs during the Finals in 07'. Second to Bron Bron of course.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think we as Spurs fans have forgotten what it was like to have someone who could pull down 10 boards a night lining up next to TD. Granted, that someone also could block shots and D up. *sniff*

Gooden isn't my ideal bigman for the Spurs, but I think he will be able to contribute moreso than the naysayers realize. All I know is that whenever the Spurs played the Cavs, he and Varejao ticked me off.

Well, I think it's funny that a criticism of Gooden is that a team with le aspirations wouldn't want him, given that he's the only one of the recently-waived players who's played in an NBA Finals. And a guy who put up 13 and 8 while shooting .500 from the field in an extremely defensively-oriented Finals series.

[tav1]

First off, I didn't make the comment.

Re read.

It isn't a racist comment because there is no intent nor basis for it to be racist, this comment, MADE BY SOMEONE ELSE.

Sorry about attributing the comment to you.

[EricB]

Well, I think it's funny that a criticism of Gooden is that a team with le aspirations wouldn't want him, given that he's the only one of the recently-waived players who's played in an NBA Finals. And a guy who put up 13 and 8 while shooting .500 from the field in an extremely defensively-oriented Finals series.

I hope he does play well. I really do.

Cause if Gooden gives a crap on the defensive end and rebounds and disrupts things then IMO this team is close to unbeatable when healthy.

[Agloco]

So now Marcus Bryant is being a racist?

Awesome, you can interpret intent. Congrats on being the first human being EVER to be able to do that.

This is where your ignorance shines more with each passing moment.

Intent doesn't matter. It's all about the perception of the person receiving the message.

Your litmus test, and MB's for that matter: Walking into the Spurs locker room and testing your "intent" theory. I'm sure PMB would be quick to enlighten both of you.

I personally don't care what trash you care to spew, but it's a dangerous game to start playing.

[Manufan909]

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Ignorance at it's finest.

+1

No one gives a about the intent, but I am assuming the intent was using Kunta-Kinte to make fun of Pops-hypers, but it was still racism. Tpark is still a head, despite the name change and hope of getting a different reputation. I'm cool with racism when it comes from equal oppurtunity people(ex. Carlos Mencia), but racism to help along a point is just lame.

And I have sequ on my side, I have no words...