Gooden could make smooth transition to Spurs

[ulosturedge]

Wasn't it written somewhere that these guys would not be eligible for the playoffs? If this is the case all this is an utter waste of time. I say wait for the off-season and go after some better potential candidates.

[Tully365]

The idea that the Spurs should not pursue Gooden because it could interfere with Bonner's confidence is the ultimate insult to Bonner himself. Everyone from Popovich to Duncan himself has said that the Spurs need some added depth in their frontcourt. I'm sure Bonner himself thinks the Spurs could use another big. At the very least, Gooden will provide what was expected of Mahinmi, which wasn't all that much. It's not like Bonner will look at Gooden as a threat to his unique position as a three point shooting big anyway.

[whottt]

You are the one implying with this post that Bonner is a wuss-- no one else has raised the objection that the Spurs shouldn't get Gooden because it would "break Matt's focus."

Um...trust me, I've been on this board long enough to know the typical response that sort of point gets. You seem to have a bug up your ass and be taking this personally when in fact, no where in my statement do I mention the name Tully. What you are doing is speaking for the board when you do not have the historical knowledge of past arguments on this board to be qualified to do that. There are several posters on this board that keep the pussy/clueless card lined up for any sort of player performance problems arising from Pop's style. And they know exactly who they are...even if you don't.

Using this argument, I guess the Spurs should never attempt to secure more frontline depth.... ridiculous.

Depends on if it's going to improve the team much...and how glaring the weakness is there...and how much it's going to fix that weakness. I'm saying Gooden will not do to fix any fundamental weaknesses in this team, because he has similar fundamental weaknesses to the team.

You guys have totally ditched your common sense over 8rbpg. And I seriously doubt Gooden will' pull down 8 boards a game for the Spurs...and even if he does he's not going to do it while outshooting Bonner or playing better D.


It's not that I'm against depth...it's that I'm against thinking players are le saviors based on plastic stats and ignoring all other factors. Like a history of playing ty D...a history recorded on this very board by a variety of posters before they ever even knew Gooden might play here.

[whottt]

Once you get past a certain point in self belief you don't go back.

And Bonner's not past that point. You know why he's not past that point? Because he's playing about as well as he can and he's gotta coach that isn't satisfied with it and is looking elsewhere.

You might be born with low confidence... but it's one of those experiences that once you've been there you, go to the next rank, the next level in your progression, you advance from there or plateau.

True...it's like that All Star Game Finely was in...that 3 point le Barrry won, those things kept them from going into the tank and sucking when they didn't know their role.


Those 3 rings Kerr won with the Bulls? If not for those Kerr might have sucked his first year with the Spurs.

You may play bad, but its not going to be worse than your best at the previous level of skill.

How can you lose confidence when you've had it in your realiity that you are good.

Because confidence is a very fluid thing and the people that are inherently confident are the ones that are inherently confident, not the ones that have to develop confidence over a period of years.

Imagine you a pull a fine woman, a 9 piece out of 10. From that point on you know the cailbre of woman you can pick up.

Completely ing false...and it's hilarious that you make that point with women, because there is absolutely no guarantees with them. I don't care how confident you are.

[Tully365]

Um...trust me, I've been on this board long enough to know the typical response that sort of point gets. You seem to have a bug up your ass and be taking this personally when in fact, no where in my statement do I mention the name Tully. What you are doing is speaking for the board when you do not have the historical knowledge of past arguments on this board to be qualified to do that. There are several posters on this board that keep the pussy/clueless card lined up for any sort of player performance problems arising from Pop's style.

Sadly, you suffer from the problem common to others-- EricB/TPark, for one-- that having a lot of posts at spurstalk makes you more knowledgeable about basketball than all other humans on the planet. Get over yourself. You used the same stupid argument in your political posts, saying with absolute certainty that you knew how the country would vote. Well, you were wrong. You are a master at convoluted sophistry, and wrong much more often than you are right. I never used the term "savior" or any other absurd exaggeration in regards to Gooden-- this is the sort of idiotic thing you always do. One person says "Gooden could help and is a financially viable option" and you practically scream back "HE IS NOT A BETTER DEFENDER THAN BILL RUSSELL!"

[EricB]

Sadly, you suffer from the problem common to others-- EricB/TPark, for one-- that having a lot of posts at spurstalk makes you more knowledgeable about basketball than all other humans on the planet. Get over yourself. You used the same stupid argument in your political posts, saying with absolute certainty that you knew how the country would vote. Well, you were wrong. You are a master at convoluted sophistry, and wrong much more often than you are right. I never used the term "savior" or any other absurd exxageration in regards to Gooden-- this is the sort of idiotic thing you always do. One person says "Gooden could help and is a financially viable option" and you practically scream back "HE IS NOT A BETTER DEFENDER THAN BILL RUSSELL!"

Again I'm flattered, but try and with hold from talking about me.

It's getting to stalking porportions and getting creepy.

[Tully365]

Good come-back.

[EricB]

Good come-back.

Sorry to dissapoint but quit with the referencing me, its seriously getting old, played out, and childish.

Grow up.

[Manufan909]

Sadly, you suffer from the problem common to others-- EricB/TPark, for one-- that having a lot of posts at spurstalk makes you more knowledgeable about basketball than all other humans on the planet. Get over yourself. You used the same stupid argument in your political posts, saying with absolute certainty that you knew how the country would vote. Well, you were wrong. You are a master at convoluted sophistry, and wrong much more often than you are right. I never used the term "savior" or any other absurd exaggeration in regards to Gooden-- this is the sort of idiotic thing you always do. One person says "Gooden could help and is a financially viable option" and you practically scream back "HE IS NOT A BETTER DEFENDER THAN BILL RUSSELL!"

Too lazy to look up the pwned sign, so OWNED!!!

Can't wait to check out whottts comeback, but I'm gonna crash.

[EricB]

Too lazy to look up the pwned sign, so OWNED!!!

Can't wait to check out whottts comeback, but I'm gonna crash.

Yeah the whole insult the person and using large vocabulary words is always a great comeback.

But what the , its a message board and its more know it alls, so it works.

[m33p0]

Wasn't it written somewhere that these guys would not be eligible for the playoffs? If this is the case all this is an utter waste of time. I say wait for the off-season and go after some better potential candidates.

the rule is a player needs to be waived by march 1 in order for said player to be eligible to play for the playoffs. brent barry from last season cited for example.

[Cry Havoc]

According to whottt, we shouldn't ever make attempts to improve our team because it might hurt someone's feelings. Dwight Howard's a free agent? Don't pick him up, it might make KT and Fabs jealous!

This is the freaking NBA. Matt Bonner is the #1 3 point shooter this season. Gooden and Bonner don't even play the same type of game. It's not like Drew is going to be standing out at the 3 point line, getting pissed at Bonner for "invading his turf". He's a post player. Matt Bonner is not. Bonner spreads the defense, Gooden consolidates the offense. If they were going to be used in the same aspect of our system, you might (and I stress MIGHT) have a point whottt, but they're completely different players. We play a team with a lot of post-presence? Gooden's the man down low next to Duncan. A team sags in the zone and wants to play tight D inside? Go to Bonner.

Besides, if Drew helps us win, I don't see that affecting Bonner too negatively. Winning is the ultimate confidence boost.

[whottt]

Sadly, you suffer from the problem common to others-- EricB/TPark, for one-- that having a lot of posts at spurstalk makes you more knowledgeable about basketball than all other humans on the planet.

No...I'd know more than you if I had never posted at SpursTalk...but that wasn't my point in anyway, my point was that there most certainly are people lined up to make those sorts of comments. My knowing that's got nothing to do with knowledge of basketball, and everything to do with knowledge of certain posters on this board.

Get over yourself.

Tell you what, you learn to not confuse the non-basketball points I am making with the basketball points I am making, IOW, get your head out...and then I'll get over myself.

You used the same stupid argument in your political posts, saying with absolute certainty that you knew how the country would vote.

Wow...unless you are right 100% of the time I don't see where you get off talking ...entirely different subject and entirely different factors at work here.

See...a bunch of stupid people in agreement with each other can decide a Presidential Election...it cannot make Matt Bonner more than what he is...nor can it do that for Gooden.

In politics..a large number of stupid people decided this election, it's not that hard to see how I would fail to be in touch with them, not being one of them myself...whiile someone such as you, well it's just easy to see why you'd be more in tune with them.


Basically by talking this line of you are saying your predictions are 100% accurate...well let's see some of them...

I'd like to know who's going to be in the WS, the NBA Finals and the Superbowl...

Well, you were wrong. You are a master at convoluted sophistry, and wrong much more often than you are right.

No...there was nothing convuluted about it, it's just simply a case of the American people being far stupider than I thought they were.

I never used the term "savior" or any other absurd exxageration in regards to Gooden-- this is the sort of idiotic thing you always do. One person says "Gooden could help and is a financially viable option" and you practically scream back "HE IS NOT A BETTER DEFENDER THAN BILL RUSSELL!"

Um...again, you seem to think you are more important to me and this arugment than you actually are...no where did I say Tully thinks Drew Gooden is a savior...

You inserted yourself into there you see...much like you inserted yourself into this disucssion with me. You could die tonight and I would likely forget this conversation by tomorrow...so don't insert your self into my comments ok, if they are directed specifically at you, I'll let you know it. You really aren't that important...so try not to take them personally unless I want you too...you'll know because you'll see me saying your name as I say it, Tully.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Do you think they would start Gooden?

[Duncan2177]

I have no complaints about Gooden he's a good low post scorer and has a decent jump shot and he can rebound and he's tough and physical and would take a lot of preasure off of Timmy and he is a huge upgrade over Bonner,Oberto and Thomas but thats just my opinion.

[TDMVPDPOY]

I have no complaints about Gooden he's a good low post scorer and has a decent jump shot and he can rebound and he's tough and physical and would take a lot of preasure off of Timmy and he is a huge upgrade over Bonner,Oberto and Thomas but thats just my opinion.

signin gooden is like signin rasho a few seasons ago who was basically a fkn nobody from the timberwolves, defense is not hard to teach, fkn putting ur hands up and manned down ur position and attempt to hustle is whats needed on this team...gooden his defense can still be improved under pops guidance....

[baseline bum]

More than likely his aquisition will break Bonner's focus and get him looking over his shoulder(insert comment about what a wuss Bonner is here) causing him to shoot worse...leaving us with 2 ty offensive and defensive forwards.

If that's all it takes to make Bonner lose his focus, then there's no hope for him to be strong enough to perform under the kind of pressure he'll see in LA in the WCF or in Boston/Cleveland for the Finals. That experiment was tried once with Turkoglu and ended in epic failure.

[timvp]

Is it physically possible for whotttt to enter a thread and not immediately turn the subject to Barry and the excuses about why he didn't shoot more often?

He's gone. Let it go.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Do you think they would start Gooden?

I don't think so. Not right away anyways.

[TheSpursFNRule]

I don't think so. Not right away anyways.

Yeah thats what I figured. Maybe in the playoffs or late in the season who knows, he would look good out there with Timmy.

[whottt]

Is it physically possible for whotttt to enter a thread and not immediately turn the subject to Barry and the excuses about why he didn't shoot more often?

It's not physically possible for me to enter any thread and do anything, or not. If you understood that...you'd also understand why I'm right on this.

He's gone. Let it go.

it's only in your imagination that I haven't let it go...and I can look at Udoka's performance right now and show an example of this strategy going badly. This guy is a defacto basketcase now and it's not because he is mentally weak.

It's happened to guys that had won rings with the Spurs(like Malik Rose), it's happened to guys that had rings on their fingers when they got here(like Kerr and Horry), and it's even happened to guys that for all intents and purposes proved themselves under the Pop game...like Barry, and Finley.

This team wins les when Pop has limited choices...he flakes out and makes everyone uncertain when he's got depth.

Matt Bonner is not going to be any different...you can kiss the near 50% from 3 shooting Matt Bonner goodbye...for the 46% shooting Drew Gooden. And he's not going to pull down 8 boards a game either.

He's also not all of a sudden going to start playikng passable defense just because he signed with the Spurs...you'd think Spursfans and Pop would have figured that out by now after the other 478 times it's been attempted without success.

[timvp]

He's gone. The excuses can stop now.

[whottt]

I'm not the one having trouble letting it go...you are.

Drew Gooden sucks.

[TheSpursFNRule]

I'm not the one having trouble letting it go...you are.

Drew Gooden sucks.

You want Drew Gooden to suck so bad.

[timvp]

I'm not the one having trouble letting it go...you are.

Drew Gooden sucks.

Breathe.