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    For what? Having a position contrary to the President?
    No, for speaking about a CIA mission he was on, to the press.

    The guy who actually spilled the beans? No motive. Just a chatty Cathy.
    Yet they pressed and pressed until they got Libby to make a misstatement and prosecuted him...

    Really? I thought the debate ended long ago. NOC, right?
    Not considering she was outed even before people wanted to know how Joe Wilson got the assignment.

    $1,000 donation to the Gore campaign with their shadow-employers name.

    Listed in Who's Who.

    If she was an NOC, nobody really seemed to try to keep her cover. They can claim that all they want. If it was true, she was at fault for being so open.

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    No, for speaking about a CIA mission he was on, to the press.
    Funny. Was Wilson ever prosecuted for this?

    Yet they pressed and pressed until they got Libby to make a misstatement and prosecuted him...
    When you misstate things to official inquiries, that can be considered a crime depending on the cir stances.


    Not considering she was outed even before people wanted to know how Joe Wilson got the assignment.

    $1,000 donation to the Gore campaign with their shadow-employers name.

    Listed in Who's Who.

    If she was an NOC, nobody really seemed to try to keep her cover. They can claim that all they want. If it was true, she was at fault for being so open.
    well you seem to know all about it WC. Tell us how do you know?

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    I don't know. I often flat out ignore what some people say.
    did you ignore what the doctor said?

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    Funny. Was Wilson ever prosecuted for this?
    No. He never signed a confidentiality form. A mistake by the CIA rouge operation. Still, being a former ambassador, he thew exactly what his actions would do. He knew his personal view should not be used as they were. He, and the rouge CIA agents had an agenda that they should be ion jail for. Abuse of office.

    When you misstate things to official inquiries, that can be considered a crime depending on the cir stances.
    That was explained. I forget the exact details, but she was known as Mrs. Wilson, Valerie Wilson, and Valerie Plame. He didn't know two of the names I think till later, as the investigation went on. He didn't know who she was and later admitted he did, once he knew the names were one in the same. He should have never been prosecuted under the cir stances. I haven't seen any conclusive tie that he intentionally lied. Have you?

    well you seem to know all about it WC. Tell us how do you know?
    This was the subject of laughter that she was NOC right after the controversy started. These details and more saying why she couldn't be NOC were on several of the talk radio shows. It was an open secret, if it ever was a secret.

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    He should have never been prosecuted under the cir stances. I haven't seen any conclusive tie that he intentionally lied. Have you?
    Well, I know that he was tried for it and a jury convicted him.

    US Attorneys don't like to take cases they think they'll lose, so we know at a minimum that Fitzgerald thought he had a winnable case against Libby. He pursued it and the jury agreed with him.

    This was the subject of laughter that she was NOC right after the controversy started. These details and more saying why she couldn't be NOC were on several of the talk radio shows. It was an open secret, if it ever was a secret.
    But she was.

    Isn't it a bad idea to out CIA agents? Wasn't that the end of Plame's CIA career? Her career wrecked by her own government and for what?

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    Valerie Plame was in great mortal danger, because she was a deep, deep, deep undercover operative.

    In fact, she was in so much danger that her and her husband did a spread for Vanity Fair. But it wasn't likely that she'd be recognized as she's a master of disguise.


    See


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    Still, it's bad to out CIA agents or it isn't. Pick one.

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    Whether Plame was in peril at all is immaterial.

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    Still, it's bad to out CIA agents or it isn't. Pick one.

    What she and her husband did was wrong, as was the Bush admin's response to it.

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    What she and her husband did was wrong, as was the Bush admin's response to it.
    what did they do that was wrong?

    oh yeah, i remember. they broke the truth on that bull about Niger.

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    what did they do that was wrong?

    oh yeah, i remember. they broke the truth on that bull about Niger.

    If you REALLY look into it, you'll discover what liars and attention s they are.

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    No, for speaking about a CIA mission he was on, to the press.
    This mission was stated to be top secret to my recollection.


    Yet they pressed and pressed until they got Libby to make a misstatement and prosecuted him...
    Libby shouldn't have lied.


    Not considering she was outed even before people wanted to know how Joe Wilson got the assignment.

    $1,000 donation to the Gore campaign with their shadow-employers name.

    Listed in Who's Who.
    Was her occupation listed as "covert CIA agent"?

    If she was an NOC, nobody really seemed to try to keep her cover. They can claim that all they want. If it was true, she was at fault for being so open.
    If you don't believe in the law, just say so.

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    If you REALLY look into it, you'll discover what liars and attention s they are.
    just a couple of people willing to tell you the things that bush and cheney wouldn't.

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    This mission was stated to be top secret to my recollection.

    That's why he immediately went and wrote a New York Slimes OP ED piece on it. He was SOOOOO concerned about his wife's "top secret" iden y.

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    That was explained. I forget the exact details, but she was known as Mrs. Wilson, Valerie Wilson, and Valerie Plame. He didn't know two of the names I think till later, as the investigation went on. He didn't know who she was and later admitted he did, once he knew the names were one in the same. He should have never been prosecuted under the cir stances. I haven't seen any conclusive tie that he intentionally lied. Have you?
    I saw a federal conviction for perjury. That's pretty conclusive.

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    That's why he immediately went and wrote a New York Slimes OP ED piece on it. He was SOOOOO concerned about his wife's "top secret" iden y.
    The piece on Niger?

    He didn't mention his wife in it at all.

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    just a couple of people willing to tell you the things that bush and cheney wouldn't.


    First, the former ambassador described his findings to Committee staff as more directly related to Iraq and, specifically, as refuting both the possibility that Niger could have sold uranium to Iraq and that Iraq approached Niger to purchase uranium. The intelligence report described how the structure of Niger's uranium mines would make it difficult, if not impossible, for Niger to sell uranium to rogue nations, and noted that Nigerian officials denied knowledge of any deals to sell uranium to any rogue states, but did not refuse the possibility that Iraq had approached Niger to purchase uranium.

    Second, the former ambassador said that he discussed with his CIA contacts which names and signatures should have appeared on any do entation of a legitimate uranium transaction. In fact, the intelligence report made no mention of the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal or signatures that should have appeared on any do entation of such a deal. The only mention of Iraq in the report pertained to the meeting between the Iraqi delegation and former [Niger] Prime Minister Mayaki.

    Third, the former ambassador noted that his CIA contacts told him there were do ents pertaining to the alleged Iraq-Niger uranium transaction and that the source of the information was the [blacked out] intelligence service." In fact, the CIA did not provide Wilson with "any information about the source or details of the original reporting as it would have required sharing classified information and noted that there were no 'do ents' circulating ... at the time of the former ambassador's trip, only intelligence reports from [blacked out] intelligence regarding an alleged Iraq-Niger uranium deal. ...[N]one of the meeting participants recall telling the former ambassador the source of the report


    ambassador .... LOL

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    You should probably change back to your DarrinS screen name.

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    oh, i get it. they interfered with your evil plans.

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    You should probably change back to your DarrinS screen name.

    Nah, I'm having too much fun.


    by the way,

    It was my experience in Africa that led me to play a small role in the effort to verify information about Africa's suspected link to Iraq's nonconventional weapons programs.


    lie

    What led him to Africa was his hatred of Bush and the Iraq war. What ultimately got him there was his wife's insistence that he get the "job".

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    i think it's what he found out that bothers you.

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    i think it's what he found out that bothers you.

    It's a free country. If you think Joe Wilson is an American hero, that is your prerogative.

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    What led him to Africa was his hatred of Bush and the Iraq war. What ultimately got him there was his wife's insistence that he get the "job".
    Too bad his trip to Africa happened before the Iraq War.

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    "The evidence leading up to the war was deliberately misleading."

    _colin Powell

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    The detective work of Joe Wilson, American Hero.


    Joe: Hey, did anybody from Iraq try to buy yellowcake from you guys?


    Nigerian officials: Uh, no.


    Joe: Alrighty then. Hey, can I have another cup of mint tea.

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