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    People do not know about the economy. Fact of the matter is that 1 out of 6 dollars spent in this economy is spent on health care. The fact that people try and seperate health care and the economy when health care costs are probably the single biggest drag on the economy is hilarious. It drives wages and profits down while it drives up the costs of goods and services.

    And what is health care spending?

    How many jobs are provided for in "health care spending"

    Does the money just vaporize, or is it possible that a reasonable percentage of Americans are employed in the Health Care Industry; as much, as, say, 1 out of 6 of them? I don't know if it's that high; but to talk about Health Care spending as a complete drain on the economy is a straw man; it is a LARGE part of the economy; employing a great many people; and that number GROWS naturally as the B.Boomers age.

    Doctor's, Nurses, administrators; insurance co. employees; sales reps for all manner of products, drugs and services; parking lot attendants; , look at any small town in this country with a Hospital: that hospital is one of the largest employers in that town.

    You want a drag on the economy to talk about; something that doesn't provide as much as it costs? Is that the measure now? Why don't we evaluate the Federal, State and Local governments?

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    I will realize my dream of turning America into Western Europe -- oh yes, I will.

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    I will realize my dream of turning America into Western Europe -- oh yes, I will.
    Ooh, scary.

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    It's not scary if it's the kind of "change" you want.

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    It's not scary if it's the kind of "change" you want.
    Funny, I thought it was the kind of change Obama campaigned on. Did I hear wrong?

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    the cost asshole.

    What about the quality? It will be like going to the DMV; and I can't wait till most Americans finally have the epiphany that they have ed themselves out of what used to be.
    Quality? That is just conservative and health care lobby fearmongering, the statisitcs and facts show a much different story. We currently rank 24th in western health care quality. These include statistics like infant mortality, life expectancy etc. All of the top 23 had a national health care system and on average paid less than half per capita on health care.

    Its pretty sad that people let themselves be led around by the nose by the pharm and HC lobby.

    And no it will not be like going to the DMV. I know people from Canada and when I was in England I got into an accident falling down some stairs. I waited much less time there than I did here in the US. This is exactly the type of fearmongering that I am talking about. Current US clinincs are notorious for their long waits. When making a 10 o clock appointment you are a fool if you claim that it will be over in less than 3 hours. An hour or more wait in the waiting room is not uncommon.

    Its like the claim that people have to wait a month for needed surgery. This is also horse . Its done by a system called triage. If you need a cetaceous cyst that is benign removed sure you will be put onto a waiting list. Acute or emergency care is not made to wait and is put to the top of the list. Its all done systematically and makes complete sense. Hospitals do it now anyway.

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