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    As far as I know players play against players not against logos.

    Whottt is making a point, but IMO (if I can have one), that's a bad point to look at a player. Esp. when you look at his stats.

    For some reason I do not buy his numbers againts logos.
    Why?
    Because, example - championship Lakers with Shaq, Kobe, Jax etc. are in the same column with LA team with Kobe and Tomjanovich.

    And that's just made me laugh.

    btw. no need to jump all over me because of it.


    Yeah....spoken like someone who has never seen the Spurs shooters going into the tank against LA. LA has never defended the three well, and they really don't do it well now...yet our 3 shooting always fails us against them..and it's because our shooters press because of who they are and where they play.


    Man it's like you never watched Steve Smith go completely into the tank against LA in 02...you know, the year he lead the NBA in 3 point shooting.

    Hedo was similar...Hedo played great against the Griz..and he completely choked against LA...left wide open.

    The name on the jersey matters to some players, to some teams.

    If Poland ever won anything in team sports you'd have a better grasp of what I'm saying.

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    Though Drew Gooden has always had good stats, I want to see how his presence on the court actually affects his team's play. To do so, I'm going to look at offense and defense per 100 possessions, effective fg% allowed and rebounding. Each of these stats compare how the team plays with him on the court to how they play with him off the court.

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    2009	Offense: per 100 Poss.	104.2	109.5	-5.3
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	109.2	109.6	-0.4
    	Effective FG% Allowed	48.80%	48.80%	0.00%
    	Total Rebounding	49.70%	49.80%	-0.10%
    
    2008	Offense: per 100 Poss.	106.9	107.4	-0.5
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	108.4	106.9	1.5
    	Effective FG% Allowed	50.90%	48.40%	2.50%
    	Total Rebounding	52.80%	52.70%	0.00%
    
    2007	Offense: per 100 Poss.	106	107.6	-1.5
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	105.6	99.2	6.4
    	Effective FG% Allowed	49.30%	46.30%	2.90%
    	Total Rebounding	52.00%	52.80%	-0.70%
    
    2006	Offense: per 100 Poss.	107.5	110.9	-3.5
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	107.1	106.3	0.7
    	Effective FG% Allowed	49.50%	48.60%	0.90%
    	Total Rebounding	52.30%	50.50%	1.70%
    Those are the numbers over the last four years. The numbers or somewhat consistent ... and not in a good way. He tends to hurt his team's offense while also hurting his team's defense. Rebounding-wise, he hasn't made his team very much better ... even though his individual stats are impressive.

    Here are the same numbers for the 2007 playoffs:

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    2007	Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.	104	104	0.1
    	Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.	102.9	96.8	6
    	Effective FG% Allowed	46.80%	45.60%	1.20%
    	Total Rebounding	52.00%	53.30%	-1.30%
    Again, pretty much right in line.

    However, it should be mentioned that the Cavs have had some quality players to back him up with. Varejao has been his main backup and he's one of the best backup bigs in the league. So while it's concerning that he consistently hasn't made his teams better on either side of the ball or rebounding-wise, you have to put it in the right context.

    Next I'm going to look at his shooting percentage on outside jumpers and the percentage of his shots that are jumpers:

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    2009	Jump	66%	0.412
    2008	Jump	58%	0.35
    2007	Jump	58%	0.408
    2006	Jump	44%	0.421
    The number of jumpers he's taken has increased through the years and his shooting has been somewhat steady other than last year.

    Let's look at how he compares to TD, Thomas and Oberto to get an idea if Gooden is similar:

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    Duncan	Jump	58%	0.437
    Thomas	Jump	72%	0.458
    Oberto 	Jump	43%	0.389
    Shooting-wise, Gooden fits in somewhere between Thomas and Oberto. He's a better shooter than Oberto but not at Thomas' level. The fact that the percentage of his shots that are jumpers is similar to Thomas is a good sign that Duncan and Gooden could play well together due to the spacing.

    The last stat I want to look at is Gooden's clutch shooting percentage from the perimeter. Can he spread the floor enough to be on the court during the clutch?

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    2009 2-for-7 28.6%
    2008 1-for-8 12.5%
    2007 1-for-12 8.3%
    2006 1-for-7 14.3%
    Wow. It's safe to say Gooden should be kept as far away from the court as possible come clutch time. Five jumpers in the last four years? On 34 attempts? For a guy who otherwise shoots better than 40% on jumpers? Holy crap.





    Conclusion

    I was hoping to be surprised but the numbers tell me Gooden is exactly the type of player I thought he was. He's a player who can get stats but he doesn't make a huge impact on winning or losing and is utterly useless in the clutch.

    That said, I like the idea of using him like Nazr Mohammed. Eventually move him into the starting lineup. Let him bang against the other team's best interior scorer. Let his scoring and rebound lighten the load on the Big Three. Hope he has a few minutes here and there where he shines. Sit him on the bench when it gets tight at the end of the fourth.

    If properly used by Pop and if Gooden is extra motivated and attentive (for whatever motives), he can help. Let's just hope that Gooden can have a Nazr-in-2005 type run and that Pop both gives him a chance and knows what he's doing with him.

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    Yeah....spoken like someone who has never seen the Spurs shooters going into the tank against LA. LA has never defended the three well, and they really don't do it well now...yet our 3 shooting always fails us against them..and it's because our shooters press because of who they are and where they play.


    Man it's like you never watched Steve Smith go completely into the tank against LA in 02...you know, the year he lead the NBA in 3 point shooting.

    Hedo was similar...Hedo played great against the Griz..and he completely choked against LA...left wide open.

    The name on the jersey matters to some players, to some teams.

    If Poland ever won anything in team sports you'd have a better grasp of what I'm saying.
    This last sentence is as good as your theory.


    btw. all what you want to proof is a minority as long as stats won't tell the truth, and as long as Hedo was hot againts Grizzlies one year that same year he choked in the playoffs against LA team.
    Players got their days, players like to play against one systems and do not like to play againt other ones. They are also in the ams system as well. What's more the role of a player is changing, guys he play with.

    And you are acting like an ass just because somebody does not buy you theory of a player stats who is playing against black or white or yellow or green socks or underwear.

    Jeez

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    Cool. I don't agree with your post, but I'd rather disagree with an informed fan than agree with an uninformed one any day.

    One stat that of Gooden's that I find interesting is Free Throws. He is 86-99 this year, shooting 86.9%. The entire front line, outside of Duncan, looks like this in terms of Free Throws:

    Thomas, 27-32
    Oberto, 15-27
    Bonner, 10-15

    So Gooden has taken and made more free throws than Thomas, Oberto, and Bonner combined. In fact, he has made more free throws than Thomas, Oberto, Bonner, Bowen, and Udoka combined.

    I want to be clear here-- I'm not bashing Bonner. I like Bonner, and even think he should keep his starting position, but IMO, Gooden's strengths are for the most part Bonner's weaknesses, so I think they'll make a good tandem, whether they are subs uting for one another, or playing at the same time in limited minutes. I'd sure rather see Gooden in there over any smallball line-up that has Finley or Udoka at PF.

    For me, if Gooden helps to gets Pau, KG, or any other significant opposing Big in foul trouble in just one playoff game, he will have earned the tiny amount of money that the Spurs are paying him.

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    You can put whatever stats you want... Gooden is the Gasol stopper guys...

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    gooden never had a big like duncan
    other teams will make gooden beat them on boards not gooden

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    Spurs fans will get to see first hand, Gooden's love affair with the jumpshot. Hopefully more of the high percentage open jumpshot kind and less of the fadeaway hand in face variety. Might be different this time around with the Spurs. Goodens motivations and Pop playing their part. yes we can only hope he adopts.

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    If Poland ever won anything in team sports you'd have a better grasp of what I'm saying.
    This last sentence is as good as your theory.
    I know it is...you know why? Take out the words Poland and replace them with the words USA and you don't get offended by that comment...

    Now I want you to tell me again that the name on the front of the jersey isn't important.

    Look it's just a fact...you walk into the Staples Center and see their 14 NBA le banners hanging down and the pressure you feel increases just a tad.

    The pre-emininent pro franchises in America all have this mystique working to their benefit. Sure it doesn't effect all players or all teams...but sometimes it does...sometimes it makes players play better, some times it make them play worse.

    And it's not always about mystique, sometimes it's about a guys hometown team...or a divisional rival but these things are factors in sports, and often they decide who wins. The Spurs shooters have a clear history of buttclenching against LA...there are no two ways about it.

    And for you to say the name on the jersey means nothing is just so out of touch with what the Spurs feel themselves that I am dumbfounded...

    Because I promise you beating LA in the playoffs means just about more to them than beating any other team. You don't think Duncan and Pop are sicking of the Lakers having their number? I assure they are. And players are no different in their motivations...teamns are no different.


    In 1989, the Dallas Cowboys won 1 game the entire season. They were by far the worst team in the NFL that year...the team they beat on the road was a superior team who made the playoffs that year..and would win the Superbowl the very next year. That team was their top rival the Washington Redskins.

    A couple of years ago we watched Don Nelson dismantle his old team in the playoffs with a far inferior team and it was all about revenge, and his players feeling they had a chance of beating that team because it was his old team.


    Saying that the name on the front of the jersey doesn't matter is like saying the Yankees and Redsox is just another baseball game...

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    Here are some Roland ratings from 82games.com:

    Roger Mason
    06-07', -8.7
    07-'08, -0.4
    08-'09, -3.0

    Bruce Bowen
    08-'09, -6.1

    Oberto
    08-'09, -6.5

    Gooden
    06-'07, -1.3
    07-'08, -3.6
    08-'09, -6.2

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    And now you talking about exeptions and psychology in sports. That's something different, that's another aspect. Big rivalries etc.

    I know what matters in sports.


    You put his stats in diferent envoirments both sides. His team and team he is playing. That is really not telling you any story. And I really do not have much time talking to you about this aspect. One thing I'm not at home 2nd is that opic is meaningless like the stats you put there.

    Hey before KG went to Boston and after Bird retired you went to their town for an easy win or a loss?
    U know - they won the most in NBA.


    * - about Poland comment. I do not feel offended lol
    Your knowledge about Poland winning in team sports is NONE, that made me smirk.

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    That said, I like the idea of using him like Nazr Mohammed. Eventually move him into the starting lineup. Let him bang against the other team's best interior scorer. Let his scoring and rebound lighten the load on the Big Three. Hope he has a few minutes here and there where he shines. Sit him on the bench when it gets tight at the end of the fourth.
    I agree with that but who do you think should finish games with TD?

    I'd like to see TP, Manu, Mason, TD and Thomas finishing games in the playoffs

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    btw. You need to have a reason to have an extra motivation against certain opponent.

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    I agree with that but who do you think should finish games with TD?

    I'd like to see TP, Manu, Mason, TD and Thomas finishing games in the playoffs
    It's scary but I think Bonner has to finish games and not KT. Bonner isn't clutch either but the floor must be spread to give the Big Three room. KT can spread the floor somewhat but he doesn't spread it enough late in games. All teams will do is make it so KT shoots a long two each time up the court ... and they'll be perfectly happy living with that. An open Bonner three? That is a much more dangerous shot.

    Even after the Gooden signing, I still think Bonner will be the second most important big in the playoffs. Gooden could very well stuff the stat sheet but if Pop is smart, he'll chain him to the bench following the third quarter buzzer.

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    It's scary but I think Bonner has to finish games and not KT. Bonner isn't clutch either but the floor must be spread to give the Big Three room. KT can spread the floor somewhat but he doesn't spread it enough late in games. All teams will do is make it so KT shoots a long two each time up the court ... and they'll be perfectly happy living with that. An open Bonner three? That is a much more dangerous shot.

    Even after the Gooden signing, I still think Bonner will be the second most important big in the playoffs. Gooden could very well stuff the stat sheet but if Pop is smart, he'll chain him to the bench following the third quarter buzzer.
    Yeah that was a damn good clutch analysis of Gooden and I am impressed .

    It really is pick our poison...and I agree the best option is if Bonner can grit down and knock down enough shots to where teams don't dare him to beat them...especially against LA.

    Gooden's lack of clutchness also instantly explains why he's been given up on so easily....teams won't usually give up on a talented bonehead if he can hit some big shots for them...but being a bonehead and choking? Those are the talented guys that wind up traded often....no one likes to think their teamate is going to fold under pressure.


    One thing I do know...if make it the finals the Celts damn sure aren't going to double off Bonner after the way he tore them a new one. He needs at least one game like that against LA before this season is over.


    Mason won't be left open against LA, Bruce won't be left open...Tim, Tony and Manu are more than any single LA defender can guard...so if Mason and Bonner can knock down their shots and eliminate any and all double teams...Duncan, Parker and Manu will feast on the exposed Laker interior.

    Great point about KT too...teams are quite content to let him shoot that long 2 all day long...even the Spurs used to play him that way.

    Too bad we can't put KT or Oberto's brain in Gooden's body.

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    It's scary but I think Bonner has to finish games and not KT. Bonner isn't clutch either but the floor must be spread to give the Big Three room. KT can spread the floor somewhat but he doesn't spread it enough late in games. All teams will do is make it so KT shoots a long two each time up the court ... and they'll be perfectly happy living with that. An open Bonner three? That is a much more dangerous shot.

    Even after the Gooden signing, I still think Bonner will be the second most important big in the playoffs. Gooden could very well stuff the stat sheet but if Pop is smart, he'll chain him to the bench following the third quarter buzzer.
    Do you think Pop will juggle with him as he does with Fin and Bruce?

    What i mean is.. if there's a time out or free throws... Bonner gets in for the offensive possession and KT for Bonner on the Defensive one?

    Pop does this all the time with Bruce and Fin or Mason

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    By the way

    If we could have some Gooden trends or knew his nemesis it would make a better view on what he is able o do against 'logos'

    I remember one game in 1999 season spurs-phily, both bad teams and a malik rose who had his best game of life in NBA in his hometown.
    But so what?

    ... maybe tomorrow I will go back to this

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    btw. You need to have a reason to have an extra motivation against certain opponent.
    And simply the fact that they are the Lakers should be that reason. They are the marquee franchise since the merger...they are our nemesis, they are the defending conference champs and...

    Oh yeah...Gooden's also from Oakland California, so he either grew up a Laker Fan or he grew up hating them as the top divisional rival to the Warriors.

    Yet no discernible level of upping his play against them.

    I see absolutely nothing based on his own history or the matchup between the teams to indicate he's going to be a positive against LA.

    It's all about Bonner with LA. Best to keep him confident as much as possible.

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    I'll keep your words in mind

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    Though Drew Gooden has always had good stats, I want to see how his presence on the court actually affects his team's play. To do so, I'm going to look at offense and defense per 100 possessions, effective fg% allowed and rebounding. Each of these stats compare how the team plays with him on the court to how they play with him off the court.

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    2009	Offense: per 100 Poss.	104.2	109.5	-5.3
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	109.2	109.6	-0.4
    	Effective FG% Allowed	48.80%	48.80%	0.00%
    	Total Rebounding	49.70%	49.80%	-0.10%
    
    2008	Offense: per 100 Poss.	106.9	107.4	-0.5
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	108.4	106.9	1.5
    	Effective FG% Allowed	50.90%	48.40%	2.50%
    	Total Rebounding	52.80%	52.70%	0.00%
    
    2007	Offense: per 100 Poss.	106	107.6	-1.5
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	105.6	99.2	6.4
    	Effective FG% Allowed	49.30%	46.30%	2.90%
    	Total Rebounding	52.00%	52.80%	-0.70%
    
    2006	Offense: per 100 Poss.	107.5	110.9	-3.5
    	Defense: per 100 Poss.	107.1	106.3	0.7
    	Effective FG% Allowed	49.50%	48.60%	0.90%
    	Total Rebounding	52.30%	50.50%	1.70%
    Those are the numbers over the last four years. The numbers or somewhat consistent ... and not in a good way. He tends to hurt his team's offense while also hurting his team's defense. Rebounding-wise, he hasn't made his team very much better ... even though his individual stats are impressive.

    Here are the same numbers for the 2007 playoffs:

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    2007	Offense: Pts per 100 Poss.	104	104	0.1
    	Defense: Pts per 100 Poss.	102.9	96.8	6
    	Effective FG% Allowed	46.80%	45.60%	1.20%
    	Total Rebounding	52.00%	53.30%	-1.30%
    Again, pretty much right in line.

    However, it should be mentioned that the Cavs have had some quality players to back him up with. Varejao has been his main backup and he's one of the best backup bigs in the league. So while it's concerning that he consistently hasn't made his teams better on either side of the ball or rebounding-wise, you have to put it in the right context.

    Next I'm going to look at his shooting percentage on outside jumpers and the percentage of his shots that are jumpers:

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    2009	Jump	66%	0.412
    2008	Jump	58%	0.35
    2007	Jump	58%	0.408
    2006	Jump	44%	0.421
    The number of jumpers he's taken has increased through the years and his shooting has been somewhat steady other than last year.

    Let's look at how he compares to TD, Thomas and Oberto to get an idea if Gooden is similar:

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    Duncan	Jump	58%	0.437
    Thomas	Jump	72%	0.458
    Oberto 	Jump	43%	0.389
    Shooting-wise, Gooden fits in somewhere between Thomas and Oberto. He's a better shooter than Oberto but not at Thomas' level. The fact that the percentage of his shots that are jumpers is similar to Thomas is a good sign that Duncan and Gooden could play well together due to the spacing.

    The last stat I want to look at is Gooden's clutch shooting percentage from the perimeter. Can he spread the floor enough to be on the court during the clutch?

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    2009 2-for-7 28.6%
    2008 1-for-8 12.5%
    2007 1-for-12 8.3%
    2006 1-for-7 14.3%
    Wow. It's safe to say Gooden should be kept as far away from the court as possible come clutch time. Five jumpers in the last four years? On 34 attempts? For a guy who otherwise shoots better than 40% on jumpers? Holy crap.





    Conclusion

    I was hoping to be surprised but the numbers tell me Gooden is exactly the type of player I thought he was. He's a player who can get stats but he doesn't make a huge impact on winning or losing and is utterly useless in the clutch.

    That said, I like the idea of using him like Nazr Mohammed. Eventually move him into the starting lineup. Let him bang against the other team's best interior scorer. Let his scoring and rebound lighten the load on the Big Three. Hope he has a few minutes here and there where he shines. Sit him on the bench when it gets tight at the end of the fourth.

    If properly used by Pop and if Gooden is extra motivated and attentive (for whatever motives), he can help. Let's just hope that Gooden can have a Nazr-in-2005 type run and that Pop both gives him a chance and knows what he's doing with him.
    Damn timvp, you crushed all my hopes. Hope he can just board, dunk, draw fouls, and never be on the floor in clutch situations.

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    This is my first time posting here. As I'm sure you can tell - I am a Sacramento Kings fan. I love the NBA and basketball in general and I just wanted to know - How do you guys like Drew Gooden so far?

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    This is my first time posting here. As I'm sure you can tell - I am a Sacramento Kings fan. I love the NBA and basketball in general and I just wanted to know - How do you guys like Drew Gooden so far?
    Dunno yet, he has hasn't even suited up for a game so far. Coach Pop is being conservative(like always with injured players), and gave him a week to heal his groin like 2 or 3 days ago. He could possibly play against LAL, but who knows? It's CIA Pop.

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    thanks for the summary

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    Cool. I don't agree with your post, but I'd rather disagree with an informed fan than agree with an uninformed one any day.

    One stat that of Gooden's that I find interesting is Free Throws. He is 86-99 this year, shooting 86.9%. The entire front line, outside of Duncan, looks like this in terms of Free Throws:

    Thomas, 27-32
    Oberto, 15-27
    Bonner, 10-15

    So Gooden has taken and made more free throws than Thomas, Oberto, and Bonner combined. In fact, he has made more free throws than Thomas, Oberto, Bonner, Bowen, and Udoka combined.

    I want to be clear here-- I'm not bashing Bonner. I like Bonner, and even think he should keep his starting position, but IMO, Gooden's strengths are for the most part Bonner's weaknesses, so I think they'll make a good tandem, whether they are subs uting for one another, or playing at the same time in limited minutes. I'd sure rather see Gooden in there over any smallball line-up that has Finley or Udoka at PF.

    For me, if Gooden helps to gets Pau, KG, or any other significant opposing Big in foul trouble in just one playoff game, he will have earned the tiny amount of money that the Spurs are paying him.

    That's a pretty good point. A player who gets to the line is extremely efficient and it's actually probably the most superior form of defense that there is...nothing stops a player like foul trouble putting them on the bench.

    I should have included FTA in my original analysis and just forgot about doing it basically...it is at least as important as any of the other stats and it's also one of Gooden's strengths as a player. I'll go back and add FTA to the analysis and see if anything changes drastically about his x-factor potential.

    Yeah....a lot of times a low FG% PCT will go hand in hand with high FTA so it is something that needs to be more closely examined, particularly against the teams that he has a low FG% against. The flipside of this is that Gooden is a great FT shooter so no one is going to be putting him on the line deliberately...for that reason I'll be surprised if his FTA produce any radical changes to my original post.

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    I know it is...you know why? Take out the words Poland and replace them with the words USA and you don't get offended by that comment...

    Now I want you to tell me again that the name on the front of the jersey isn't important.

    Look it's just a fact...you walk into the Staples Center and see their 14 NBA le banners hanging down and the pressure you feel increases just a tad.
    The pre-emininent pro franchises in America all have this mystique working to their benefit. Sure it doesn't effect all players or all teams...but sometimes it does...sometimes it makes players play better, some times it make them play worse.

    And it's not always about mystique, sometimes it's about a guys hometown team...or a divisional rival but these things are factors in sports, and often they decide who wins. The Spurs shooters have a clear history of buttclenching against LA...there are no two ways about it.

    And for you to say the name on the jersey means nothing is just so out of touch with what the Spurs feel themselves that I am dumbfounded...

    Because I promise you beating LA in the playoffs means just about more to them than beating any other team. You don't think Duncan and Pop are sicking of the Lakers having their number? I assure they are. And players are no different in their motivations...teamns are no different.


    In 1989, the Dallas Cowboys won 1 game the entire season. They were by far the worst team in the NFL that year...the team they beat on the road was a superior team who made the playoffs that year..and would win the Superbowl the very next year. That team was their top rival the Washington Redskins.

    A couple of years ago we watched Don Nelson dismantle his old team in the playoffs with a far inferior team and it was all about revenge, and his players feeling they had a chance of beating that team because it was his old team.


    Saying that the name on the front of the jersey doesn't matter is like saying the Yankees and Redsox is just another baseball game...
    It's the "Curse of Jerry West" the Spurs will have to shake off.

    Nice to read something refreshing. Good Job Whott.

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    What about Minutes Per Game?? That might have something to do with some of the numbers being low.

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