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thank you, just a simple question. Others like nbadan did.
The vitriol and misinformation you who hate Obama are spewing forth in this thread is disgusting. It's worthless at this point to even argue with you. It's so incredibly irritating and pathetic that you would, not knowing who I am or anything about my political affiliations, assume that I am going to give Obama a free pass for the entirety of his term. You are a fool for making such a stupid assumption about my political ideals just because it makes it easier for you to distance and disparage people who disagree with you. You are a fool for deciding unilaterally that you are going to decide that you know ahead of time what I feel about this administration. You are an incredible fool for attempting to call out the president after he has barely taken office. Most of all though, you are a fool for valuing partisanship above country. You would RATHER Obama fails, not because it would help this country, but because it would give you the right to say, "I told you so."
you, you small little people. Grow up and learn to view those who have a differing view as someone worthy of your time, instead of your pathetic, pithy little diatribes about how horrible he's going to be. Your ability to sink to the absolute lowest denominator in order to prove that you're right is appalling. Apparently Obama gets 60 days of leniency from you, while it took the majority of republicans SEVEN YEARS to admit that Bush was indeed a completely inept leader.
This is my last post in this forum for a while. I'm tired of hearing the same stupid, completely inaccurate falsehoods leveled against our president. IF he sucks a year or two from now, I will absolutely call him out, the same way I did felt after being an ardent Bush supporter who wanted to believe that he really did care about this country. you for insinuating that "libs" on this board never supported Bush (92% in 2001) and worship Obama (yet to approach what, 65%?).
You are EXACTLY what's wrong with this country, and it makes me sick that you would put such short-sighted partisanship above actually hoping for something positive to come out of the Obama administration. And if you don't like my generalizations? you, I don't enjoy being lumped in with "libs", with "Obama worshippers", or with the Democrats. Both parties suck right now, so get off your invisible high horse and actually TRY to be a decent person when it comes to supporting your country. I realize that's pretty close to impossible for most of you, but just try.
thank you, just a simple question. Others like nbadan did.
where did i spew vitriol and misinformation in this thread , where??
RIF.It's worthless at this point to even argue with you. It's so incredibly irritating and pathetic that you would, not knowing who I am or anything about my political affiliations, assume that I am going to give Obama a free pass for the entirety of his term.
I didn't assume anything of you. I just point that bush had the same heckling in his first administration. There was no obama bashing, no criticizing his policies, or me assuming anything of you in that post i addressed towards you. If you feel indicted and guilty of that accusation, than that says more about you than me
Whose the fool now, i didn't make any assumption about your belief, furthermore you assumed i want this country to fail so obama would look stupid. First of all, i have been upbeat about the economic recession, i even called Extra stout an buttwipe for spreading doom and gloom about the economy. http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118191You are a fool for making such a stupid assumption about my political ideals just because it makes it easier for you to distance and disparage people who disagree with you.
Start with yourself first.
For you to cry about that, provide me the link where i've said that.You are a fool for deciding unilaterally that you are going to decide that you know ahead of time what I feel about this administration. You are an incredible fool for attempting to call out the president after he has barely taken office. Most of all though, you are a fool for valuing partisanship above country. You would RATHER Obama fails, not because it would help this country, but because it would give you the right to say, "I told you so."
Remember you're the one leveling accusations of me assuming stuff about you.
It would be shameful for you to do the same thing not once but more than twice in this thread already.
Prove me wrong... Hypocrite.
"To be fair, obama hasn't had time to implement all his policies." THis is what i said in post #26 of this thread. That's more assumptions from you dipwad.you, you small little people. Grow up and learn to view those who have a differing view as someone worthy of your time, instead of your pathetic, pithy little diatribes about how horrible he's going to be. Your ability to sink to the absolute lowest denominator in order to prove that you're right is appalling. Apparently Obama gets 60 days of leniency from you, while it took the majority of republicans SEVEN YEARS to admit that Bush was indeed a completely inept leader.
Awesome. Nobody will miss you.This is my last post in this forum for a while.
Bush's term did not start on September the 11th, furthermore, Obama hasn't had anything like 911 happen to where the country would support him in that high range. This always happens in prewar time, Check out Bush Sr's ratings during the gulf war.I'm tired of hearing the same stupid, completely inaccurate falsehoods leveled against our president. IF he sucks a year or two from now, I will absolutely call him out, the same way I did felt after being an ardent Bush supporter who wanted to believe that he really did care about this country. you for insinuating that "libs" on this board never supported Bush (92% in 2001) and worship Obama (yet to approach what, 65%?).
Bush was lampooned in the begining of his administration for ticky tacky stuff. Sorry, this isn't vitriol or misinformation. It's fact. Deal with it like a grown man, or leave the board you drama queen.
You need this quote more than i do.You are EXACTLY what's wrong with this country, and it makes me sick that you would put such short-sighted partisanship above actually hoping for something positive to come out of the Obama administration. And if you don't like my generalizations? you, I don't enjoy being lumped in with "libs", with "Obama worshippers", or with the Democrats. Both parties suck right now, so get off your invisible high horse and actually TRY to be a decent person when it comes to supporting your country. I realize that's pretty close to impossible for most of you, but just try.
Get off your high horse and prove me wrong. Hypocrite.
You rang? You only think you want me back...I can fix that in a single post if I want...easily.
I will be back, Chump's right that I don't post much unless it's an election year or a midterm, the rest of the time it's boring and tedious and I go months without watching the news...
Right now I'm pretty satisfied that people are becoming disillusioned with Obama and aren't hypnotized, because blind stupidity can never lead anywhere good IMHO and that the ultimate outcome of the Iraq war will be a positive for that region of the world...and I feel pretty good that it will at this point.
I do have one observation...I was unsure of just what Obama really was, simply a naive dude that wanted to be President for the sake of being President...or some dude with a radical socialist agenda...he's definitely the naive dude that just wanted to be President and frankly I think he's annoyed with the responsibilities of it. I don't think that's neccessarily better than being a radical socialist, but at least I know what he is now. Regardless of what he is, I have no doubt about what his big money backers are...and they are not good for this country long term, because they are outwardly corrupt as opposed to the proper internally corrupt that has served this country so well for so long. Hopefully he'll realize it.
I'll say one other thing that I've started to think about...it actually won't surprise me if Obama doesn't run for re-election. I think it's possible he won't. This guy wants everbody to like him, and he picked worst job in the world for someone who truly wants that. There are no words he can speak that will make everyone like him in this job...I don't care how good of a talker he is, or what his actions are.
So I don't think he's the second coming of Carter anymore really(and that's a very good thing)....but he's looking more like the second coming of LBJ with each passing day.
This is all just a preliminary superficial observation at this point...I'll have more to say on it as soon as I get out the hole I'm in in one of my classes.
Thank you. I know I will be smarter for this. You my friend and I think with time off to get ur head right will agree with me are a ing idiot. Get the time you need. Rest up.
"socialism...nationalized health care, energy policy and education."
Health care, energy policy, pension/retirement policies are all national projects which the for-profit sector has ed up fatally.
The for-profit sector will continue to them up and protect their extremely lucrative vested interest in keeping them ed up.
Education's woes are directly related to the salaries tax payers allot to teachers. Pay peanuts, hire monkeys, produce monkey- non-students.
Socialism is a ing stinking robotic red herring, a supposed horror, the right wing slaps non-right wingers in the face with, while fully encouraging the "socialism" of taxpayer subsidies for Big Pharma, MIC, Big Farma, etc, etc. all of which have captured regulatory agencies to continue milking taxpayers.
Didnt congress say that Obama has no control on whether they put in earmarks or not? For Obama to get that kind of response, he's probably been trying to curb the earmarks.
Sorry iggy, my post wasn't directed at you. It was more at the people who take every chance to rip on Obama, which to this point has not been you. To be honest, I forgot I even quoted you at the beginning. I realize that it probably sounded like everything I said was directed at you. I will say that I am gravely in error as far as that goes. Oops.Everything else still stands for some of the buffoons post here.
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Earmarks don't amount to , a miniscule %age of total govt.
Another right-wing red herring of pure demagoguery and rabble rousing the radical right-wing shrinking base (like their shrinking s).
Ear marks always were, ear marks always will be.
Ear marks are how politicians buy votes from the dollar-grubbing-first-last-always cons uents, aka, YOU PEOPLE.
Considering social security and medicare are about $60 trillion in the hole the government has ed up health care, pensions and retirement far greater than the for-profit sector ever could. As for energy policy, it's not the for-profit's sector responsibility to have one. Well at least not one other than to turn a profit selling energy, which they're actually quite good at.
GOP Looks to Escalate Attacks on Obama
Spending Offers A Prime Target
By Perry Bacon Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, March 8, 2009; A04
Last month, House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) repeatedly excoriated House Democrats for what he considered flaws in the economic stimulus plan, rarely mentioning President Obama, one of the chief architects of the bill.
But as Congress considers a bill to fund federal agencies, legislation largely hashed out last year before Obama was elected, Boehner has shifted his aim from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other.
"He is the president of United States; it takes the signature of the president for this to become law," Boehner said, referring to a provision that includes thousands of congressionally mandated projects, or earmarks, that Obama criticized during his campaign. "So the president ought to keep his campaign promise."
( Any Repugs' name on any of those 1000s of earmarks? )
During the president's first few weeks in office, many congressional Republicans avoided sharp criticism of him, instead condemning Democratic congressional leaders, particularly House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), while praising Obama for reaching out to the GOP.
Hey, Whott-the- , here's your answer:
But in the past week, Republicans have increasingly taken on Obama: criticizing a letter he wrote to Russian leaders asking for their help in stopping Iran from developing nuclear weapons, a move the GOP characterized as unwise; knocking his remark comparing the stock market's fluctuations to political polls; and denouncing his proposals to fix the economy that Republicans say amount to a federal "spending spree."
And with Obama looking to push his budget proposal through Congress over the next few weeks, the Republicans are promising to directly confront the new president on his proposals, even as party members acknowledge the risk of taking on a man whose favorability rating in a recent poll was 42 points higher than that of the Republican Party.
"There is no point in triangulation when it comes to his budget," Boehner told a group of his House members last week in a closed-door meeting, referring to the previous strategy of trying to isolate congressional Democrats from Obama. "It's the president's budget. His name is on it."
Republicans are on the offensive against the popular chief executive at a point when they lack a chief spokesman and remain divided among figures offering competing visions for the party's future, including radio personality Rush Limbaugh and Republican National Committee Chairman Michael S. Steele. But the party has unified around the theme of limiting increases in government spending.
"It's risky because the president is popular and because of his charisma," said Rep. Mark Souder (R-Ind.). "And when you don't have a single spokesman, it's hard to communicate. But there is a sharp philosophical divide."
GOP officials said they would avoid personal attacks against Obama. "It has to be about the policies," said Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.).
Obama spokesman Bill Burton said the White House is eager to work with Republicans and that bitter partisan politics have been rejected by the American people.
"We're looking to work with folks on both sides of the aisle," he said. "If someone wants to be constructive or has a good idea to share, we want to talk."
Some Republicans said they will look to work with Obama on issues on which they can reach agreement with him.
"There are lot of things he campaigned on we can agree with," said Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), the chief deputy whip for House Republicans, citing Obama's concerns about wasteful spending.
( wasteful spending is Dem ear marks, while Repug earmarks are not wasteful, nor is $600B defense budget aka MIC corporate welfare )
But on issues on which they disagree, Republicans say it makes more sense to contrast with Obama than Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.).
"People don't really know who Pelosi and Reid are," Souder said. "If people think the president is in charge, you have to at some point take him on. They're his ideas."
At the same time, Republicans are wary of appearing to be a party that simply opposes Obama. David Winston, a GOP strategist who advises House Republicans, said offering alternatives that voters like is crucial to any opposition strategy. He cited the GOP's success last summer in calling for expanded oil drilling to be part of any effort to reduce gas prices.
"When you ask the public, 'Which party do you have more confidence in to handle the issue of the economy?' and in the future they say Republicans, Republicans will be in good shape," Winston said. "Right now, public polling has Republicans trailing in that question."
Ron Bonjean, who was a spokesman for House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), said Republicans are smart to oppose Obama's economic vision, but he questioned whether they have found the right proposals to offer as alternatives.
"Are they also connecting with Americans who have serious financial anxiety?" he asked.
Party strategists said that while the stimulus opposition unified all but three Republicans in Congress, it was not clear that Republicans had articulated their alternative proposals, which focused on larger tax-cut provisions and less direct government spending.
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Republicans have already lined up to oppose Obama's budget, but they acknowledge it will be hard to make it clear to the public that they have a vision beyond opposing the president.
(Because the Repugs don't have ing vision beyond myopic tax cuts)
"One of the challenges that is presented to the minority party is to get heard," Steele said last week on NBC's "Today" show. "We're going to keep pushing it and trying to make as much noise as we can in a positive direction."
( the Repugs have positive direction?
And on some issues, Republicans might have trouble presenting a unified strategy because they do not agree internally. Although House Republicans have organized a group to produce an alternative to the health-care proposal Obama and congressional Democrats are working on, there are strong differences among Republicans on how to approach the issue.
Souder said Republican opposition will be helped if the details of some of Obama's proposals become unpopular as the public learns more about them.
"The advantage of being in the minority is the in bent's position sometimes unifies the opposition," he said.
( does he mean "unified" like the Repugs rubber stamping every piece of , like the bogus Iraq war, that the WH wanted for 6 years?
Well then forgive my harsh words. We've had our discussions and arguments before, and then i was very sophmoric, so now i can see how you could lump me in with alot of others.Sorry iggy, my post wasn't directed at you. It was more at the people who take every chance to rip on Obama, which to this point has not been you. To be honest, I forgot I even quoted you at the beginning. I realize that it probably sounded like everything I said was directed at you. I will say that I am gravely in error as far as that goes. Oops.
in all honesty though, stick around. You were pretty good in those Pali-Israeli threads.
Heh. Too bad they it's not around anymore! I'd like to go back and read a few of them.Well then forgive my harsh words. We've had our discussions and arguments before, and then i was very sophmoric, so now i can see how you could lump me in with alot of others.
in all honesty though, stick around. You were pretty good in those Pali-Israeli threads.
Lindsey Graham Contradicts Himself On Earmarks In Under A Minute
from HuffingtonPost Full Feed by The Huffington Post News Editors
Moments after declaring that the country needs earmark reform, Sen. Lindsey Graham offered an arduous defense of his own, well, earmarking.
Appearing on NBC's Meet the Press, the South Carolina Republican was asked about his good friend John McCain's pork-focused critique of the omnibus spending bill that was held up in the Senate on Friday.
"We do need earmark reform," said Graham. "I wish [the president] would veto the bill, we'd get back together and come up with the earmark reform process."
Seconds later, however, Graham was reminded that he himself had inserted 37 earmarks in the legislation, including $950,000 for "a convention center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_172857.html
I am not a Repulican nor a Democrat. I am someone who wants to hold all politicians accountable. This "well they did it so I can do it" bull does not fly with me and many Americans. Again Obama was suppose to be something different. He lied. Its a pretty big ing lie and Americans should be upset and stop acting like kids.
Lets see...less than 90 days into his Presidency...
Foreign Policy = Neutral change. A few out of Iraq into Afghanistan.
Domestic Policy = Radical change (or at least plans to). Tax the rich, give to the poor. Raise cost of energy nationwide as some sort of incentive to stop using fossil fuels (or at least not nearly as much). Socialized medicine, check.
Oh yeah, our economy taking the beating of its lifetime amidst the highest unemployment since the 70s (annnnnd climbing), a DOW in total and complete freefall (not much a POTUS, much less a government can do about that), an insolvent banking system, collapsing manufacturing sector.
You know, reading this off the top of my head inspires me to have children..
Seriously, you people having children are almost more guilty. What a complete and utter disaster this country is. Not much longer is my guess. Not much longer at all.
LOL @ the people who worked their whole lives and invested what meager amount they could every year only to be completely ed over by...well, everyone with more money than them. Goddamn am I glad I am under 30. At least now I know where not to put my money. These 50-somethings are quite literally ting their pants!
They have no means to retire! How does that feel, really? "Yup, I work hard, invest and with my 401k/pension, I can probably retire at 65-ish". EEEHHHH! Wrong. Tough . Thems the breaks. You got raped, thats what you get for caring more about whats on television than who runs the country/economy. Ultimate " you", you think?
Anyone ever think about 65 years old? Thats like....maybe 15 years left to live. Thats what youre working for. Youre working for your last 15 years in this realm of existence. The first 65? Not yours my friend, those are not yours. Those are always for someone else...your family, your job, your wife, your kids with maybe a sprinkling of time for you.
And we wonder why life goes by so quickly.
I dont even know where this post is going anymore. I dont even think it has a point beyond random ramblings in my head.
I guess I'll try and wrap it up...
Much too early to judge Obama. One of the first things I said after it was clear he was going to win was "Ok, time to put the campaign gear away. He's POTUS now and he deserves and should expect all the criticism and cross fire."
So far, he is rightfully being villified for his policies. They are different domestically, they certainly do "change" things (for good or bad, I dont know....Im leaning more toward bad, but again, its early).
IMO, Obama/whomever dont mean -on-a-stick right now. Short of the government taking over the major banks (not investing like they are now, straight taking control) or letting them fail, this crisis is only prolonged. Manufacturing will never return to the States unless our cost of living drastically falls and there is only 2 ways to do that....we raise the standard of living of our compe ors (HA!..) or ours falls to some level just above theirs.
Which do you think is more likely? Sad, sad times we slog through in kind. Really, one way or the other this whole thing goes, we're worse off later than we are today, it just depends by how much.
It's not like huge year-to-year deficits have been a govt. secret.....trouble is, we should not have run up deficits during economic growth years....Obama is doing the only thing he can at this point..
Holy , DR! Call a suicide hotline or something...Lets see...less than 90 days into his Presidency...
Foreign Policy = Neutral change. A few out of Iraq into Afghanistan.
Domestic Policy = Radical change (or at least plans to). Tax the rich, give to the poor. Raise cost of energy nationwide as some sort of incentive to stop using fossil fuels (or at least not nearly as much). Socialized medicine, check.
Oh yeah, our economy taking the beating of its lifetime amidst the highest unemployment since the 70s (annnnnd climbing), a DOW in total and complete freefall (not much a POTUS, much less a government can do about that), an insolvent banking system, collapsing manufacturing sector.
You know, reading this off the top of my head inspires me to have children..
Seriously, you people having children are almost more guilty. What a complete and utter disaster this country is. Not much longer is my guess. Not much longer at all.
LOL @ the people who worked their whole lives and invested what meager amount they could every year only to be completely ed over by...well, everyone with more money than them. Goddamn am I glad I am under 30. At least now I know where not to put my money. These 50-somethings are quite literally ting their pants!
They have no means to retire! How does that feel, really? "Yup, I work hard, invest and with my 401k/pension, I can probably retire at 65-ish". EEEHHHH! Wrong. Tough . Thems the breaks. You got raped, thats what you get for caring more about whats on television than who runs the country/economy. Ultimate " you", you think?
Anyone ever think about 65 years old? Thats like....maybe 15 years left to live. Thats what youre working for. Youre working for your last 15 years in this realm of existence. The first 65? Not yours my friend, those are not yours. Those are always for someone else...your family, your job, your wife, your kids with maybe a sprinkling of time for you.
And we wonder why life goes by so quickly.
I dont even know where this post is going anymore. I dont even think it has a point beyond random ramblings in my head.
I guess I'll try and wrap it up...
Much too early to judge Obama. One of the first things I said after it was clear he was going to win was "Ok, time to put the campaign gear away. He's POTUS now and he deserves and should expect all the criticism and cross fire."
So far, he is rightfully being villified for his policies. They are different domestically, they certainly do "change" things (for good or bad, I dont know....Im leaning more toward bad, but again, its early).
IMO, Obama/whomever dont mean -on-a-stick right now. Short of the government taking over the major banks (not investing like they are now, straight taking control) or letting them fail, this crisis is only prolonged. Manufacturing will never return to the States unless our cost of living drastically falls and there is only 2 ways to do that....we raise the standard of living of our compe ors (HA!..
Which do you think is more likely? Sad, sad times we slog through in kind. Really, one way or the other this whole thing goes, we're worse off later than we are today, it just depends by how much.
But, as for Obama having no influence on the economic state, I disagree and so does a huge Obama supporter with a bit of skin in game. I submit, for your consideration, a pair of quotes:
The blessing of Warren Buffet, the so-called "Oracle of Omaha," was critical in reassuring liberal-leaning members of the capitalist class that it was safe to elect the socialist Barack Obama. Sure, he had a radical past, but Buffet assured his fellow capitalists he didn't mean all that crazy stuff, and that he was A Man We Can Do Business With.
Well. Apparently not so much. Buffet slams Obama's payoff to the unions:
And Buffet also slams Obama for taking his eye off the economy to pursue secondary and tertiary liberal wish-list items:
Taking aim at one such issue, interviewer Joe Kernen replied: "You might not have fixed global warming the day after - the day after D-Day, Warren."
He also told Kernen that the Republicans should provide general support for the administration, but that the Democrats should not be pushing "contentious" policies that are not related to solving the nation's economic woes.
Right. We're in a crisis the likes of which this country's never seen... which is why we have to further hamstring it by imposing a $640 billion tax increase on everything produced in America. Because, you know, in 150 years the Maldives Islands might lose a foot and half of shoreline.
I still would like to hear Obama explain how pumping trillions into government programs is going to stimulate the economy.
The Oracle of Omaha became the Oracle of Obama, and can now count himself as handmaiden of the destruction of the once-potent US capitalist economy.
Thanks a lot Warren. I hope you enjoy the beating your wealth is taking.
Really dude? I mean really? I want to read the rest of your post, but I can't get past this. You should see recent news regarding both Russia and Syria.
Not to mention Cuba and Gaza, etc...
‘Manchurian Candidate’ Starts War on Business
Nah, a president can't have any effect on the economy...pish posh.
I think while the moderates are abandoning their ships of Obamania in a fit of buyer's remorse; those of us who knew he would be a disaster all along are debating whether his abysmal performance is diabolical or just plain stupid.
It may not matter, the Ship of State can be driven into an iceberg by an idiot or a maniac.
Yoni and WC are just flipping out, totally detached from reality.
The honeymoon is definitely over. People are starting to realize that Obama is a mere mortal and not a miracle worker. I honestly believe that a lot of the people that voted for Obama really thought that he was going to fix things very quickly as president. They're opening their eyes and seeing that Obama is not perfect. They have seen that he is a human being just like the rest of us.
Whatever Obama does or doesn't do, will be 10 times better than a McCain Palin administration.
Good God did we dodge the bullet on that sandwich or what?
I have zero "buyers remorse".
None.
Zip.
Zilch.
Keep thinking that, though if it makes you happy. Who am I to pop your delusions?
.. and a few of us have been saying that since before the election.
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