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    cry more about it you pansy

    they are just cells. the possible advances in medical science are mind boggling.

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    they are just cells. they are going to eventually develop into something else, but they are just cells.

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    I killed some human life cells this morning when I masturbated. You upset about that too?

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    Ethical question:

    The ONLY difference between the skill cells I just sloughed off when I scratched my nose, and those stem cells is that a specialized chemical reaction made those cells into embryos.

    When we discover the chemical and genetic triggers that could turn ANY cell into a stem cell capable of producing a human life, will these embryonic stem cells still carry significance?

    Further:

    If we then use those triggers to make new stem cells from any cell in your body, and we use those new embroyonic cells to say, grow a new liver, have we killed a potential human being THEN?

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    pretty soon, blowing your nose will be taking a life.

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    Ethical question:

    The ONLY difference between the skill cells I just sloughed off when I scratched my nose, and those stem cells is that a specialized chemical reaction made those cells into embryos.

    When we discover the chemical and genetic triggers that could turn ANY cell into a stem cell capable of producing a human life, will these embryonic stem cells still carry significance?

    Further:

    If we then use those triggers to make new stem cells from any cell in your body, and we use those new embroyonic cells to say, grow a new liver, have we killed a potential human being THEN?
    In mice, the technology already exists.
    You can take those "any" cells, reprogram them into iPS ($1000 worth of reagents needed), inject them into the blastocyst of a female and get a mice.

    iPS can be obtained from "any" cells in humans too.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    they are human life cells.
    So how do you feel when the embryos are discarded?

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    Hopefully the medical cures that come from this research won't cost so much that the government will deem them too costly for the average lowly american taxpayer.

    I'd hate for only politicians/elite to have access to these life-saving medical applications in the future.



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    Meh, I'd just assume anti-abortion/anti-evolution freaks no longer get the benefits of any sort of medicinal treatment based on research that was/is even remotely genetic. That pretty much leaves the elite.

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    His position on this issue was well publicized before the election. Why did you vote for him in '08?

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    cry more about it you pansy

    they are just cells. the possible advances in medical science are mind boggling.
    Just cells ? You forgot about that whole .... created from embryos that are later discarded -- in other words creating life to kill it in the "Hopes" that you will be able to manipulate a cell to create a liver ?

    You also don't understand the ethics -- Cloning will be soon to follow.....

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    Hey, at least he is laser-focused on this economic crisis.

    Well, that and stem cell research and carbon taxes and health care reform and education. Yep, besides that laundry list, he's got all his energy focused on the economy.

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    skin cells, nose hair cells, etc do not replicate to become human life, nor are they human life to begin with like embryonic cells.

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    Meh, I'd just assume anti-abortion/anti-evolution freaks no longer get the benefits of any sort of medicinal treatment based on research that was/is even remotely genetic. That pretty much leaves the elite.

    You do know that you can conduct stem cell research without embryos, right?

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    You are OK with his views on abortion but not stem cell research?

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    So how do you feel when the embryos are discarded?


    Anybody care to answer this one?

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    Hey, at least he is laser-focused on this economic crisis.

    Well, that and stem cell research and carbon taxes and health care reform and education. Yep, besides that laundry list, he's got all his energy focused on the economy.
    Yeah, America is so far out in front when it comes to bio-research that it would be pointless to throw anything more into stem cells. Besides, there's no economic potential in it anyway.

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    Just cells ? You forgot about that whole .... created from embryos that are later discarded -- in other words creating life to kill it in the "Hopes" that you will be able to manipulate a cell to create a liver ?

    You also don't understand the ethics -- Cloning will be soon to follow.....

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    I would preffer not to...

    just rewatched Bartleby last week

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    I would preffer not to...

    just rewatched Bartleby last week
    Wow, I didn't think anybody else has actually seen the movie. It's so bad it's almost good (but not quite).

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    dude that movie is definitely in my top 100 movies. I have it and already seen it 3 times

    hilarious

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    skin cells, nose hair cells, etc do not replicate to become human life, nor are they human life to begin with like embryonic cells.
    This is actually wrong.

    You can reprogram them into ES-like cells and with them generate a mouse that is genetically identical to the original cells.

    This has been done.

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