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Wow, pretty good team was Sacramento that time. Bibby, Christie, Webber, Divac + young Hedo, Peya, Gerald Walllace. Sad that they get robbed.
The ball isn't even thrown in yet, that's a two shot foul and the ball.
And I'm not sure how that is Bibby with just his hand out a little, he's clearly holding Kobe.
And look at their feet, you can tell they were bodied up on that right side. Unless Bibby's arm is only 1 foot long, Bibby's hand is probably all the way up Kobe's butt-crack
Don't get me wrong, Kobe's elbow is definitely a foul but so was Bibby's, Bibby's came first.
Which one are you gonna call?
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Wow, pretty good team was Sacramento that time. Bibby, Christie, Webber, Divac + young Hedo, Peya, Gerald Walllace. Sad that they get robbed.
That's pretty upsetting.
When Donahee came out and mentioned that particular game, I think I was even more upset. The problem was, Baveta was involved. Baveta may not have had any say in the game either way.
He's not holding Kobe at all. Kobe initiated the contact.The ball isn't even thrown in yet, that's a two shot foul and the ball.
And I'm not sure how that is Bibby with just his hand out a little, he's clearly holding Kobe. Bibby's hand is probably all the way up Kobe's butt-crack
Don't get me wrong, Kobe's elbow is definitely a foul but so was Bibby's, Bibby's came first.
Which one are you gonna call?
r u honestly trying to defend kobe's elbow? i dont know whether or not the nba is rigged but i do think that certain players like kobe and lebron to name a couple r given favorable treatment. but we have to remember that the nba is a business and unfortuntaly good guys like tim duncan do not get the respect because they aren't sexy enough.by the way kobe is the sleeziest most disgusting player in the nba.The ball isn't even thrown in yet, that's a two shot foul and the ball.
And I'm not sure how that is Bibby with just his hand out a little, he's clearly holding Kobe. Bibby's hand is probably all the way up Kobe's butt-crack
Whether or not Kobe initiated the contact, it's not OK to hold a player.
And yes, unless Bibby's arm is only 1 foot long, he's holding Kobe pretty good. His forearm and hands are completely missing in the picture because he has them around Kobe's back.
How can Bibby's hold on an out of bounds play, not be a two shot foul and the ball?
Kobe's elbow WAS a foul, I admit it. But I'm saying Bibby's hold was also a foul. Bibby fouled Kobe first.
Who are you going to give the foul to?
This picture of the hold came first, before the elbow:
Bibby held him after he was hammered by Kobe.
that "hold" that bibby is doing is done all the time in those types of end of game situations and they r never called. and u know kobe would have got the call if the roles were reversed. also if u look closely kobe's left arm is holding bibby's right arm down so bibby cannot gets his hands up to contest the pass.Kobe's elbow WAS a foul, I admit it. But I'm saying Bibby's hold was also a foul. Bibby fouled Kobe first.
Who are you going to give the foul to?
This picture of the hold came first, before the elbow:
You are a Lakers amd Kobe fan, not an objective observer. No one else sees what you see. For all I know, you are Bob Delaney going undercover, posting comments here under a fake name.Kobe's elbow WAS a foul, I admit it. But I'm saying Bibby's hold was also a foul. Bibby fouled Kobe first.
Who are you going to give the foul to?
This picture of the hold came first, before the elbow:
Wow, watching those videos make me sick.
That series was probably the low point in the history of the NBA, as far as biased officiating. The league made all the video clips "disappear" for a reason. You'll note that they also made all the clips of Kermit Washington crushing Rudy T's face disappear as well. They just don't want evidence of those clouds hanging over the game. Personally, I think disposing of the evidence makes things look even worse. I'm surprised that any new clips have survived on Youtube, but they won't be there long.
Always start by giving credit to Derek Fisher for making that shot. If he didn't execute, there wouldn't be any controversy. That being said, I can tell you with absolute certainty that everyone in NBA management - including David Stern - knows that it took more than .4 seconds to make that shot. It's not hard to look at the frame-by-frame and determine that.
The league was in a tough position, no matter which way they ruled. They made a conscious decision to not discuss how long the shot actually took, and only talk about whether or not the shot clock had expired before the ball left Fisher's fingertips.
A season or two before, the league had done a very detailed study of how long it actually takes to get a shot off. They knew precisely which actions take how much time. They actually made a rule that anything other than a simple deflection, or catch-and-shoot while still in the air, was impossible in less than .4 seconds. If I remember right (and I think I do) the rule was that if the clock read less than .4, the game was over. Their instructions also said that the shot clock (including the red light around the backboard) is not the determinant of whether the game is over. The determining factor was supposed to be how much time had actually elapsed. That was to allow for the fact that the clock is operated by human hands, while actual time is an absolute.
The main thing is that they knew, without any question, that the actions taken by Fisher take more than .4 seconds to execute. But they knew they were going to piss a bunch of people off no matter which way they ruled. They made a very conscious decision to choose the path that would hurt them the least. It was very pragmatic and, considering the position they were in, probably the best decision. But don't kid yourself. No one, outside of ignorant fans, has any illusion that the shot actually took only .4 seconds to accomplish.
And exactly none of that matters. The Spurs lost. The Kings lost. The only reason for keeping either one alive is to try and make sure that neither happen again
+1 very well put.
Personally I always keep that stuff in the back of my mind when I see bs calls going on. It seems to always come across during bigger games, clutch moments, when more is riding on the call. Which to me means the refs should be making exceptional calls but. I don't know, I try not to let it ruin my fun while watching the game. Its kind of like when George Bush was on TV I would always try not to think of the 9/11 conspiracies & the Michael Moore films etc.. I nearly divorced the NBA last year after the Fisher on Barry foul. Hopefully the Lakers - Celtics record breaking crap last year will hold them off for the Spurs return this year. Maybe not though.
That video has me convinced. Kobe hit Bibby in the face with his elbow like 30 times and he never got whistled once for it.
Objective is calling two fouls like they are.
Bibby held Kobe (foul 1)
Kobe elbowed Bibby (foul 2)
Both are fouls no matter how you slice it.
Being non-objective is like me saying Kobe didn't foul Bibby, he did.
Being non-objective is like you saying Bibby didn't foul Kobe, he did.
Bibby's obviously came first, I don't see how with that picture it can be said that Kobe fouled Bibby first. Bibby is holding Kobe way before Kobe's elbow came.
How are you going to call a foul on Kobe without calling the foul on Bibby first? If Bibby wasn't holding Kobe, he wouldn't have gotten elbowed.
Chicken before the egg.
Hmm. I also see Bibby got hit 5 times, no whistles also. I'll view it again.
Oh wow!
A report from almost a year ago about a game that happened 7 years ago!
How is this spurs related?
Spurs beat the Lakers in 2003 and then L.A. came back the next year only
to crumble away to the Pistons...
Kings just couldn't get it down in game 7 at home...
Stern wants Kobe vs. LeBron in the Finals...book it.
and what about the others 30 calls that the refs invent in favor of the Lakers? and you can see in those videos that they were bull calls in favor of the Lakers.
i dont understand why leagues have to be rigged, its more exciting if its real not fixed.
The refs raped the Kings in this game
I've never seen so many touch fouls in my life in the 4th qtr lol. Funderburke couldn't even lay a hand on Shaq without the whistle blowing. That just got LA into the penalty quick. The Horry flop on Webber was equally ridiculous. The Divac foul that got him out of the game was garbage. Kobe with his patented verbal flop to get the call after he was blocked clean. The elbow to Bibby's mug was the icing. Man, it's easy to see how blatantly fixed this game was. It was like the refs weren't even trying to hide it lol.
what do you all think of this if you havent seen it already
Stephen A talking about officiating: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWbUF...eature=related
he states that Joey is one of the very greatest refs out there
i've seen these videos before, they appear and disappear ever so often on youtube. the foul by bibby after kobe shot the technical free throw in the first video was ridiculous. bibby didn't even touch bryant. and for those that are arguing kobe's elbow to bibby's nose, it looked like they wrapped each other at the exact same time. since kobe bulldozed bibby, it should have been a foul on bryant. the fouls where vlade just stands behind shaq are always funny yet sad at the same time.
i always found it interesting why videos of this game or even clips showing just the fouls always end up deleted. there are thousands of self made clips of nba games that are never removed. there are videos that criticize the officiating like last year's duncan ejection by crawford still up. so why does the nba only target this game? i can think of other nba videos that mysteriously disappear like the palace brawl where artest goes ape but that's because the nba hides it so it doesn't damage its reputation. by removing this video, the nba is practically admitting there is something to hide. videos of this game always mysteriously disappear whenever i search for it in the future.
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