Is Ginobili's next contract in jeopardy?

[MoSpur]

I don't think he's going to make that much on his next contract. He'll get another contract offer from the Spurs, but it won't be for that much and for that long.

[rascal]

Dude that's pretty harsh. Manu has helped this team in numerous ways including winning Championships. You remember his drives when no one else wanted to get punished. Give the guy a chance to come back and help us in the playoffs before you disregard him like that.

If you have DVD of the Spurs Championship when manu played, you should check him out and then ask yourself if we could have done it without him. He was an integral part of the puzzle. This latest injury is 100% recoverable. He'll be back. Have some faith in a team (and Manu) that has helped bring this city more Championships than any small market ever is supposed to win.

Stop looking at what a player has done in the past and look what you will get in the future instead. paying players just for what they have done in the past instead of what they will do in the future is not a way to be successful.

[kace]

You really have short memory. Tim Duncan had planar fasciitis in 2006. You don't lose a 7 game series in one play. Plus if not for Manu, we're not in position to win that game anyways (he nailed a huge trey the play before to give us the first lead in the game). Without Manu, that series doesn't make it to 7 games.

In 2007 he was huge when it mattered. He single handledy won us a game in Utah on the road. He and Oberto finished off the Cavs at the end of the championship game.

In 2008 he was also instrumental in winning the Suns series (with his penetration, and winning basket against the pivotal double OT game 1), and against the Hornets on the road for game 7. Not to mention he carried us pretty much the entire regular season.

If you want to hate just for hating, go ahead. But get your right before you start making a fool out of yourself.

We won a championship in 2007! He had some great plays and not all Manu does can be summed up with numbers. Pop calls it all the time, he brings energy to the floor, makes a steal here or there and YES, makes mistakes (the foul in 2006, how can any of us forget). But, we didn't lose that round solely because of Manu.

YES, he was hurt in 2008, that's why POP wants him healthy for this run. So, you can blame 2008 on Manu because he was unhealthy in the finals. Regardless, I agree we need him to be Manu again, and I also agree if he doesn't show up in these playoffs, his contract may very well be screwed.
But you cannot deny he brings a lot to our team and has helped our team win Championships.

guys, i know it's difficult to anyone, especially a french guy, to say something bad about manu here.

but i said that it has been three straight PO DISAPOINTING performances for manu.

you say that he didn't killed us alone in 2006. you're right and maybe i shouldn't have said he killed us. but do you remember how much he was sad about his stupid foul, which probably costed us, like it or not, the win against the mavs. i think it"s safe to say that it was a disapointing PO performance for manu this year considering he said it himself.

In 2007, you said he had great moments. Of course. do you think i'm blind ? a player like manu always has great moments in a strecht of 25 games. but 16.7 ppg at 40 % was a rather disapointing performance for him.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault. but even if he had also great moments, i think you would be the only ones to say it wasn't a disapointing PO performance from manu, even him, again said that.

so, clearly, for different reasons, it has been 3 straight DISAPOINTING PO performances for him. if you don't agree, go see again the 2005 PO and manu's level there. and the 2007-2008 RS tells me that he has still in him this level of basketball. he just didn't show it in the PO for a while.
and that's a fact, not an opinion.

[urunobili]

so, clearly, for different reasons, it has been 3 straight DISAPOINTING PO performances for him. if you don't agree, go see again the 2005 PO and manu's level there. and the 2007-2008 RS tells me that he has still in him this level of basketball. he just didn't show it in the PO for a while.
and that's a fact, not an opinion.

what you are clearly doing is proving yourself a biased hater... i could reply to any of the examples you posted with 10 plays that make up for that so now just breathe... relax... and step away front he ing keyboard for 10 minutes...

[DaBears]

Everyone one who is jumping off the manu bangwagon faster than a sinking antic ship!! Can bite the big one. Ask any coach, player, and real spurs fans, that without Manu we dont win, so regardless of whether or not he's injured or not we win with him or lose without him.

[DaBears]

I'd take a Manu @ 50% over a Manu in a sport blazer any day!

[DaBears]

Spurs fans dont flip flop like politians do.

[LionZion]

Gino will take a pay cut. It isn't about the cash for him. It's about winning and that's what makes him a true Spur.

Sometimes the fans disappoint more than our team tbh. Manu, from all we have seen, will do whats best for the team without the FO or Pop having to negotiate all that much. The only exception is his play in the Olympics and that, whether ppl understand it or not, is a big deal for athletes across the world to represent their country in their sport in the Olympics. He made it to the NBA becoz of the opportunities his country and family gave him and he made the most of it.

As for who pays the bills, it matters, but the Olympics and his home team and his fans in Argentina matter just a little bit more. And he went with team permission.

The reason I have loved the Spurs for a long is exemplified by D. Rob. Its about loyalty and faith by the players and towards the players even though its a hard business and times are tough. Manu will do whats best his team now. I know that for sure.

[LionZion]

guys, i know it's difficult to anyone, especially a french guy, to say something bad about manu here.

i think it"s safe to say that it was a disapointing PO performance for manu this year considering he said it himself.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault. but even if he had also great moments, i think you would be the only ones to say it wasn't a disapointing PO performance from manu, even him, again said that.

If yer gonna listen to what Manu says, he is probably the most disappointing player in the NBA who lets his team down after every game coz we didn't plaster the other team enough.

Pop says we dun have a chance in the playoffs without Manu. Thats a fact.

You say Manu has been bad for three years and its a fact.
If the second is true, Pops gotta be turning senile to be saying the first. And I suppose with his antics this year, you probably have proof that Pop has indeed gone senile

[Ginobilirules]

These kinds of post are seriously re ed by the writer and these so-called bogus fake spurs fans here. truly"' Manu is our best player hands down, without him we can't a championship we are very deep yes, but Manu is unguardable"' and can dominate on any given night, also don't fool yourself he one our truly untouchables on the spurs team they re not stupid enough to let him go anywhere. and he said many times even recently that intends stay a spur until he's ready to hang up the shoes. he can play probably til he's around 38 to 40 before he's retired.meven with the injuries he's had he usually bounces back quite strongly due to him being determined about his health and being in dedicated fitness. you obviously don't know Manu's abilty to bounce back with his health. re ed, biased, and uneducated post seriously.

[roycrikside]

guys, i know it's difficult to anyone, especially a french guy, to say something bad about manu here.

but i said that it has been three straight PO DISAPOINTING performances for manu.

you say that he didn't killed us alone in 2006. you're right and maybe i shouldn't have said he killed us. but do you remember how much he was sad about his stupid foul, which probably costed us, like it or not, the win against the mavs. i think it"s safe to say that it was a disapointing PO performance for manu this year considering he said it himself.

In 2007, you said he had great moments. Of course. do you think i'm blind ? a player like manu always has great moments in a strecht of 25 games. but 16.7 ppg at 40 % was a rather disapointing performance for him.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault. but even if he had also great moments, i think you would be the only ones to say it wasn't a disapointing PO performance from manu, even him, again said that.

so, clearly, for different reasons, it has been 3 straight DISAPOINTING PO performances for him. if you don't agree, go see again the 2005 PO and manu's level there. and the 2007-2008 RS tells me that he has still in him this level of basketball. he just didn't show it in the PO for a while.
and that's a fact, not an opinion.

You're a moron. You don't understand that Manu is such a compe or that anytime the team doesn't win it all he's going to hold himself responsible and be very disappointed. It's funny you use examples of Manu himself saying he wasn't happy with his play in '06 and '08, but in '07 you don't have any such quotes. Instead you state your personal disappointment with him. Why? BECAUSE WHEN THE SPURS WIN LES, MANU IS HAPPY AND WON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS.

Don't you understand by now? Manu can average 50 points a game in the Finals, but if they don't win, he'll be upset and think he could've done more. Winners always think that way.

You hate Manu and you're clearly biased against him. Just admit it. In the 2006 playoffs you remember one play. That's it. He averaged 20 ppg against Dallas in that series. Do you care? No. There wouldn't even have been a game 7 if he didn't save us in Game 6. Do you mention that? No. Manu himself gave us the three point lead before his foul. You don't care.

In 2007 our toughest series, pretty much the de-facto NBA Finals was the second round matchup with the Suns. Who was our best player that series? Manu ing Ginobili. Look it up. He was the best player in Games 3, 5, and 6. He won game 4 on the road against Utah and Game 4 on the road against Cleveland. Tony Parker's +/- in the Finals was +24. Manu's was +48. I guess he had an awful Finals, huh? He didn't win the Finals MVP, so he must have sucked I guess. 18 ppg and 6 rpg. Total disappointing series for him.

In 2008 he averaged 21 ppg and 6 assists per game against Hornets. He led the team in scoring five of the seven games, including games 6 and 7. The Spurs don't even play the Lakers without him.

Your arguments are pathetic. Basically you want Manu to average 25 points and shoot 50% or he "sucks." The guy takes like 14 shots a game, not 30 like Kobe.

[Kori Ellis]

Manu will probably get a 2-year, $18-20M deal.

[kace]

You hate Manu and you're clearly biased against him.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...5&postcount=28

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=17

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...3&postcount=16

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&postcount=21

oh, yes, i'm such a hater.....

[timvp]

In 2007 our toughest series, pretty much the de-facto NBA Finals was the second round matchup with the Suns. Who was our best player that series? Manu ing Ginobili. Look it up.

While I agree with your overall defense of Ginobili, this quote is simply not true. Tim Duncan averaged 26.8 points, 13.7 rebounds and 4.2 blocks and shot 57.3% from the field in the series. Ginobili played really well in 10 of the 24 quarters in the series but no way he had a better series than Duncan. Factor in Parker's defense and consistency in the series and it's safe to say Parker also had a better series.

But yeah, I have no problem with how Ginobili played in 2007. It wasn't 2005 but it's not like Duncan played as well in 2005 or 2007 as he did in 2003.

[kace]

While I agree with your overall defense of Ginobili, this quote is simply not true. Tim Duncan averaged 26.8 points, 13.7 rebounds and 4.2 blocks and shot 57.3% from the field in the series. Ginobili played really well in 10 of the 24 quarters in the series but no way he had a better series than Duncan. Factor in Parker's defense and consistency in the series and it's safe to say Parker also had a better series.

But yeah, I have no problem with how Ginobili played in 2007. It wasn't 2005 but it's not like Duncan played as well in 2005 or 2007 as he did in 2003.

would you say that 16,7 ppg (his lowest since 2004) and above all 40 % FG was average for manu ? i don't see anything infamous by saying that. of course, i'm OK with it since we've won it all this year.

[roycrikside]

While I agree with your overall defense of Ginobili, this quote is simply not true. Tim Duncan averaged 26.8 points, 13.7 rebounds and 4.2 blocks and shot 57.3% from the field in the series. Ginobili played really well in 10 of the 24 quarters in the series but no way he had a better series than Duncan. Factor in Parker's defense and consistency in the series and it's safe to say Parker also had a better series.

But yeah, I have no problem with how Ginobili played in 2007. It wasn't 2005 but it's not like Duncan played as well in 2005 or 2007 as he did in 2003.

Manu had a very quiet first two games, and maybe game 4, but he was the key to games 3, 5 and 6 in that series. I would argue that some people say he had an average playoffs because he started off slow, playing below average five of the first seven games, but of their last 13 games those playoffs, eleven were very good.

[roycrikside]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...5&postcount=28

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=53

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...6&postcount=17

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...3&postcount=16

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...0&postcount=21

oh, yes, i'm such a hater.....

Most of those posts were left-handed compliments, at best. You're the guy who said Manu has had three crappy playoffs in a row when he hasn't had one. He's had a couple of disappointing finishes, but whenever a team doesn't win, there are many reasons. If you want to blame a player for being injured, don't expect me to look kindly upon that.

[Technique]

I can't believe how the so called Spurs fans are so rude and disrespectful towards Manu and even Pop. Honestly. That's just wrong.

[kace]

You're the guy who said Manu has had three crappy playoffs in a row when he hasn't had one.

DISAPPOINTING is not exactly the same thing as crappy i think.

If you want to blame a player for being injured, don't expect me to look kindly upon that.

In 2008, he was injured, so obviously, it wasn't his fault

do you read ??

Manu will get his 2 year extension this summer and it will be well deserved.

Manu will retire as a spur. i'm sure about it and it's the way it should be. stop asking a trade.

so, we agree.


, it's nearly impossible to argue about manu with some people. so let's say manu can't do wrong and that he will be our savior.

[Slippy]

This is laughable. Manu was massive in the 07 play-offs. Only a hater would be re ed enough to base Manu's play on shooting percentage and scoring average. A good example of numbers not telling the true story was game 4 of the WC finals.. against Utah when in the 4th Manu put the team on his back relentlessly attacking the rim and getting to the line. Now he only shot 40 percent for that game but he willed his team to a win. Where putting points on the score-board was difficult for both teams and Utah pounded the out him. A huge 4th quarter performance that would get lost in translation if FG percentage and averages is all that mattered.

[smeagol]

, it's nearly impossible to argue about manu with some people. so let's say manu can't do wrong and that he will be our savior.

Dude, that line is so ing old. Change your script already . . . .

[urunobili]

at kace joining Vander, rascal and ducks with the Manu hate... more food for smeagol at the end of the day

[scandals4u]

Wow what a kick in the nads, Manu is done for the season I sure as hope those olympics were worth it. You were hurt the team told you not to go and to heal up and you went anyway and got hurt worse. I don't care how you or the team try and spin this, it was a bad decision and is just the excuse that mr low ball holt needs to hold over your head when contract negotiations start up which should be any time now. Karma is a stone cold witch we'll see which way this plays out but at a minimum this is going to cost manu big. Heal up get well and chalk it up to one of life's little lessons that will end up costing you a few mill minimum lol.

[ducks]

Manu will probably get a 2-year, $18-20M deal.

not with the spurs

[HarlemHeat37]

his contract is going to be valuable this off-season, so I'm expecting the front office to look at some deals for him..it could help our team in a big way, even though it would be difficult to see him playing somewhere else..